GGTS AFS trouble

[waywardsister]

I am fairly new with the AFS system. I ordered the replacement system for people with older GGTS's (whatever that is called now... there really needs to be a wiki or something)

I managed to find the vids by lightgeoduck and others for putting it together properly, etc. I put the o ring on the atty first before I attach the atty to the atty connector, etc.

My problem is that my tank leaks big time into the collector tank , I'm talking like 2 ml at a time soon after I fill it. I have filled a pipette with the fluid in my tank. The liquid just starts dripping out of the atty connector (I've taken it apart and put some juice in to see what happened, it starts to drip almost right away)

The first week of using the AFS was fine, and I was loving it, but this leaking is really annoying! I have no idea if I am doing something wrong or not. This happens using i atties and regular 901s. No problems the first week at all.

I also tend to get a lot of juice in my mouth, whether I open up the draw ring wide open or keep it more closed (and I do prefer a tighter draw, but notice that my atties tend to flood quickly as well). Again, this is with iatties and regular ones, more so with iatties. I feel like I am constantly having to take it all apart, drain the juice, check things, blow out atties, put it back together etc etc. It's become so that if I want to use the AFS, I make sure I don't have to leave the house!

I really don't know what I am doing wrong here. It would be convenient (and good for customer support, and easier on everyone who offers support) if there were a place I could go and check 'troubleshooting" or something. As it stands, I ask here in hopes someone can shed some light on what I may be doing wrong, or what the problem is! (Maybe my o ring is no good?) I really want to enjoy my AFS, but right now it's easier and more convenient for me to drip or use cartos.

 

[imeothanasis]

I am fairly new with the AFS system. I ordered the replacement system for people with older GGTS's (whatever that is called now... there really needs to be a wiki or something)

I managed to find the vids by lightgeoduck and others for putting it together properly, etc. I put the o ring on the atty first before I attach the atty to the atty connector, etc.

My problem is that my tank leaks big time into the collector tank , I'm talking like 2 ml at a time soon after I fill it. I have filled a pipette with the fluid in my tank. The liquid just starts dripping out of the atty connector (I've taken it apart and put some juice in to see what happened, it starts to drip almost right away)

The first week of using the AFS was fine, and I was loving it, but this leaking is really annoying! I have no idea if I am doing something wrong or not. This happens using i atties and regular 901s. No problems the first week at all.

I also tend to get a lot of juice in my mouth, whether I open up the draw ring wide open or keep it more closed (and I do prefer a tighter draw, but notice that my atties tend to flood quickly as well). Again, this is with iatties and regular ones, more so with iatties. I feel like I am constantly having to take it all apart, drain the juice, check things, blow out atties, put it back together etc etc. It's become so that if I want to use the AFS, I make sure I don't have to leave the house!

I really don't know what I am doing wrong here. It would be convenient (and good for customer support, and easier on everyone who offers support) if there were a place I could go and check 'troubleshooting" or something. As it stands, I ask here in hopes someone can shed some light on what I may be doing wrong, or what the problem is! (Maybe my o ring is no good?) I really want to enjoy my AFS, but right now it's easier and more convenient for me to drip or use cartos.

Please check the AVS tank and tell me if AVS threads (the ones that go inside the collector tank) are ok Way my friend. Maybe you have one of the faulty AVS that I had mention some days before.

 

[clyde2801]

I had major problems with the AVS either having too tight of a draw or leaks until I was clued into the following tips....

Number one: clean that sucker out! Disassemble the AVS and CT and wipe all threads clean.

Number two: grease that puppy UP! (Lightly coat the threads and o rings of the avs with petroleum jelly.)

Number three: for me, there's a trick to assembly. Lightly screw the AVS into the CT until the AVS just quits turning (no need to force it in).

a. If you've got too tight of a draw, loosen the top sleeve of the GGTS from the battery, then loosen the avs from the ct just a touch, then try gently tightening the top sleeve back into the battery.

b. If you've got too much leakage into the CT, again loosen the GGTS top sleeve, tighten the AVS onto the CT just a hair, and then tighten the top sleeve again.

Bit of a learning curve, but it should be second nature in a day or two. Hope that helps, and good luck.

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

Sounds like the top O-Ring to me. Put some Vaseline on the AVS O-Rings and threads. If you fill it up and put it all together you should be able to take it off the GGTS and not notice leaking (maybe a tiny bit overnight). If it leaks then you are losing the vacuum somewhere, probably one of the top o-rings.

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

Made me type for nothing Clyde You sound a lot happier vaper now.

 

[waywardsister]

Thanks for such a quick response!

Hey Imeo How do I know if the threads in the CT are ok? What should I look for?

Nothing is leaking outside (a tiny bit now and then perhaps). I've taken it off, full, and no leaks. It's the juice dripping in to the CT constantly that is the problem. I lose like 2 ml of juice constantly when I fill it. I fill, assemble, vape, and check 10 minutes later and suck out a pipette worth of juice from the CT. Juice drips steadily from the bottom of the atty connector.


I do clean it, and coat the threads and o-rings with vaseline. I have experimented with loosening and tightening, unscrewing, rescrewing. A freshly cleaned and lubed AVS, assembled as per light's video, not screwing too tightly, etc, and juice drips drips drips out into the CT.

The draw is fine, I just end up with a ton in my mouth eventually. I do primers now and then (short little puffs, no power, ring closed), but lately I've had to fiddle around constantly with the draw ring because either I am sucking up juice through the mouthpiece, or I am getting bubbling and not much else. (Some of that is my atties, I need new 901s) I'll fill it, prime, get a few really great drags, and then half my juice is gone into the CT and my mouth.

 

[imeothanasis]

Thanks for such a quick response!

Hey Imeo How do I know if the threads in the CT are ok? What should I look for?

Nothing is leaking outside (a tiny bit now and then perhaps). I've taken it off, full, and no leaks. It's the juice dripping in to the CT constantly that is the problem. I lose like 2 ml of juice constantly when I fill it. I fill, assemble, vape, and check 10 minutes later and suck out a pipette worth of juice from the CT. Juice drips steadily from the bottom of the atty connector.


I do clean it, and coat the threads and o-rings with vaseline. I have experimented with loosening and tightening, unscrewing, rescrewing. A freshly cleaned and lubed AVS, assembled as per light's video, not screwing too tightly, etc, and juice drips drips drips out into the CT.

The draw is fine, I just end up with a ton in my mouth eventually. I do primers now and then (short little puffs, no power, ring closed), but lately I've had to fiddle around constantly with the draw ring because either I am sucking up juice through the mouthpiece, or I am getting bubbling and not much else. (Some of that is my atties, I need new 901s) I'll fill it, prime, get a few really great drags, and then half my juice is gone into the CT and my mouth.

check if there is a cut or a hole between AVS and its threads. Also look if threads are moving against the AVS

 

[Stormynights]

I had that same problem and I got a new set of O rings and changed them all. No leaking at all now. I don't know which one was bad but my problem is solved.

 

[clyde2801]

Made me type for nothing Clyde You sound a lot happier vaper now.

Oh God, yes! Thanks to you.

I suspect that for a bit, I was attracting some outright GG haters on my review blog when I was encountering problems. Some folks were pretty darned quick to put their comments on there during my pre-greased era, but came back and said NOTHING after the problem was resolved.

Honestly, I don't understand why someone should just hate on another mod that they either don't own or simply don't like.

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/88379-quick-note-8.html#post1318711

Read this one Clyde, good for a laugh considering some of the comments I've seen lately

 

[imeothanasis]

Oh God, yes! Thanks to you.

I suspect that for a bit, I was attracting some outright GG haters on my review blog when I was encountering problems. Some folks were pretty darned quick to put their comments on there during my pre-greased era, but came back and said NOTHING after the problem was resolved.

Honestly, I don't understand why someone should just hate on another mod that they either don't own or simply don't like.

I am sure that you know clyde

 

[Rippspeed]

I need to try to do vasoline on my avs...

My problem is the AVS doesnt leak into the CT when the AVS is full ... But, when its half full it'll leak quarter of the AVS into the CT and it'll stop again ... Maybe I've been tighten the AVS too much or just need some vasoline on the threads...

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

Yep Ripp, experiment. Vaso may fix it, cleaning attys and the AVS may to. Imeo has mentioned some manufacturing problems I haven't seen one yet WRT your issue but it may be that. Join me on IRC during Australian time and I'll try and guide you or give Rob a call if you are lost.

But right now it's 3am for me so night

 

[Rippspeed]

Yep Ripp, experiment. Vaso may fix it, cleaning attys and the AVS may to. Imeo has mentioned some manufacturing problems I haven't seen one yet WRT your issue but it may be that. Join me on IRC during Australian time and I'll try and guide you or give Rob a call if you are lost.

But right now it's 3am for me so night

Not lost at all HopeFuLLL; I have already experience from my AFS V2. And I clean both my AFS, AVS, and my atties out every 3 days when I need to re-fill my tank ... I just recently polished and cleaned my GGTS with a buffing wheel, I do this every month. And I noloax'ed the threads on the GGTS every 2 to 3 weeks. So implying my that I need to clean my GGTS isnt the problem...

Ok maybe I need to be more clear on where the AVS is leaking from... Its leaking from the Atty air inlet hole at the bottom and its collecting at the colletor tank... What I notice is if I fill the AVS; when its attached to the collector tank it doesnt start to leak into the collector tank until half tank on my juice. But when I fill it with out it being connected to the collector tank. It starts leaking right when I close the lid on the AVS tank. And it'll leak and leak until, I empty the collector tank 2 or 3 times ( the collector tank doesnt get full, just hard to pull air from the ADR when juice is in there)...

But, I did try the vasoline last night on all the threads and the o-rings on the AVS... And the draw was soo tight my cheeks started to hurt, lol!!! Thats with the adjustable draw ring ( ADR for short) all the way open. Thats even tighter than my AFS V2 at almost full close on the ADR .. So, I didnt get down to the half tank; where I have problems with the AVS leaking too much liquid into my collector tank... Unlike everyone I dont carry bottles with me, when this happens ... I end up throw the juice in the collector tank away... So my juice usage has gone up considerably. Which in turn is costing me money.

I'd like to figure this out with the AVS, because what I've found is the AVS has the lighter draw compared to my AFS V2 but I get soooooo much more actual flavor from the AVS than my AFS V2... But, I've been using my AFS V2 more because of the dependability of it ... Since day one this thing has not really leaked, unlike the other users has had leak problems. Mine has been rock solid since I got the hang of it ... Only thing is I get sooo much more flavor out of my AVS...

So, am I doing some thing wrong ??? I am putting the AVS together incorrectly or what ???

p.s. the Atty I'm using on the AVS is currently a GG i6 Atty and also had the same issue with the atty from Ikenvape and also the same issue with the attys from eastmall ... I dont know I thought it was the atties at first but still no dice... But with cartos thats another problem I need to solve...

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

Some close up pictures maybe with arrows to leak area etc?

 

[urbanite]

It's on the inside as I understand...

I too have a much harder draw on my AVS than my AFSv2... It's a bit uncomfortable at times, but the flavour is fantastic...

Don't know what the exact issue might be though... had a few bad re-fills in the beginning, even to the point of the collector tank overflowing through the little holes...

Did clean it out a few times, before it started working alright... and also trimmed excess rubber on the top cap/atomizer o-ring, that was sticking out on the side too much, since then haven't had much trouble with it.

With the AFSv2 I did have to completely change the set of o-rings in the beginning to start having good results with it... so if you have a set of spare o-rings it might be an idea to change the whole set and see if it changes anything..

 

[Rippspeed]

It's on the inside as I understand...

I too have a much harder draw on my AVS than my AFSv2... It's a bit uncomfortable at times, but the flavour is fantastic...

Don't know what the exact issue might be though... had a few bad re-fills in the beginning, even to the point of the collector tank overflowing through the little holes...

Did clean it out a few times, before it started working alright... and also trimmed excess rubber on the top cap/atomizer o-ring, that was sticking out on the side too much, since then haven't had much trouble with it.

I didnt have anything wrong with my orings... It didnt have excess rubber on the orings at all...

But my atty does sit crooked inside the AVS, I think its the atty connection. Its more evident when I use a non GG atty... Like the Ikenvape atty and the East mall ones are super crooked, I can barely get the top oring to sit in there right... But, with the GG I6 Atty, you can barely notice it until you put the top oring in...

With the AFSv2 I did have to completely change the set of o-rings in the beginning to start having good results with it... so if you have a set of spare o-rings it might be an idea to change the whole set and see if it changes anything..

what do you mean ??? more flavor, more vapor, or lighter draw ???

I never had leak issues or vapor issues ... My AFS V2 produces the same vapor as the AVS. Only difference is the AVS has a lighter draw ( without vasoline ) and gives me more flavor ... And on top of that I do find the AFS V2 has a warmer vapor than the AVS ... Could this mean I have a leak or something ....

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

maybe a faulty atty connector ie:

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz9/HoPeFuLLL/P1010689.jpg
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz9/HoPeFuLLL/P1010687.jpg

 

[Rippspeed]

maybe a faulty top ie:

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz9/HoPeFuLLL/P1010689.jpg
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz9/HoPeFuLLL/P1010687.jpg

yes ... but it only looks like that when I use a non GG atty ...

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

Look closely at the first picture, the walls are not even thickness, ask Rob for a new one if this is the case.