GGTS Review July 2010 model

[muddstar]

Thank you tokes.

 

[vapn]

Thank you tokes! Excellent thread!

All of this has really helped me step outside the cult and see just what the term 'fan boy' REALLY means.

I have already had to fix one defective part myself, wonder how many more I will be fixing in the near future. While the lightness of this model is great, I wonder how well it will hold up. For a mod described as immortal I think that is a bit optimistic. And to make someone pay for defective parts is ludicrous IMHO. Good luck getting anything from the manufacturer.

 

[anim8r]

Anim8r, Regarding you feeling angry dude

You’re angry because the evidence I’ve presented doesn't fit with your perspective.
Here’s some strategies to get rid of the anger.

1- Discredit the messenger.
Assume, He can’t work or understand his GG.
Believe He’s being pedantic and overly picky.
Conclude that He has an axe to grind.

If you can convince yourself of any of the above, you’ll instantly feel better. To cement the change find others who share your view and validate each other. If you start to feel an endorphin rush, you’ve succeeded.

2- Discredit the message
Interpret it as trivial and of no consequence.
Find holes or inconsistencies and focus on them.
Zero in on any factual errors you can find no matter how small.

To cement change, see above.

3- Change perspective
Try to realize that its only a PV Review and the sun will still rise and set no matter what the findings.
Take your mind off it. Walk the dog, hug your significant other. Play a game with a small child.

As you try this you’ll no doubt find your mind wandering back to this thread. Just focus on the real life task you are engaging in and it will pass.

4- Change your point of view.
You don’t have to abandon your views, just shift and rework them a little taking into account the new evidence. Then you are in a new place, a place where your views and the new information can coexist with less conflict.

If you can do this, you’ll feel a little better. You probably won’t get the endorphin rush, but after a few hours have passed, you may experience the feeling that somehow you’ve come out the other side, a better person.

Howard Beale said it best in the 1976 movie “Network”

“This is not a psychotic breakdown; it's a cleansing moment of clarity.”

Good Luck Dude

Tokes

Tokes,

I think you're reading far too much into what I'm saying.

I know these are hand made. You are obviously quite picky. I'm am not. I don't mind what knurling is on my knobs , as long as I can grip the buggers. When it comes to my Mod purchases, my personal demands are; good workmanship, sturdy construction, and performance. All 3 of my GGTSs get top notches in those categories.

You posted a review that I simply don't agree with. That's all. I'm only giving my "first impressions" and I have to say, I must've gotten a completely different product than you did.

 

[tokes]

anim8r

"You are obviously quite picky. I'm am not."

Yes, you're very easily pleased it seems.

"I don't mind what knurling is on my knobs , as long as I can grip the buggers."

Imeo would be saddened to hear how little you care for his meticulous attention to detail on his hand made work of art.

"I have to say, I must've gotten a completely different product than you did."

sigh... u missed the particle theory bit didn't you.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

I see everyones point.. and appreciate how civil it has been so far... hoping that it will stay as so..

I will save my views.. since I am satisfied with what I have,,, and there is no point in swaying one to the other.. because one thing for sure... setting peoples preferences aside.. this device isn't a fail like some other devices that we have come across in the past on this forum (not naming, to keep this thread from vering off course)

I mainly posted to bottom quote a really funny snip.

Tokes,

I don't mind what knurling is on my knobs , as long as I can grip the buggers.

 

[anim8r]

Jpegs at the molecular level!
anim8r, I see you are a scientist my friend!

As you well know, Quantum Physics, in particular, particle theory, tells us that the observed and the observer are inextricably linked. In short, what we SEE is determined by what we are LOOKING FOR.

I understand your comment about the molecular level was a facetious joke ( which was v funny btw) But seriously, please post some jpegs of your own showing how beautifully crafted your new GG products are. I'd love to see things from your point of view too.

yes, I was just playin'

But yeah, my O-ring and knurled rings look great, but then in the O-ring department, it just needs to seal stuff, which these do.

I keep my camera at work, and I'll take pics of my fully assembled and working GGTS-2/AVS

 

[anim8r]

anim8r

"You are obviously quite picky. I'm am not."

Yes, you're very easily pleased it seems.

"I don't mind what knurling is on my knobs , as long as I can grip the buggers."

Imeo would be saddened to hear how little you care for his meticulous attention to detail on his hand made work of art.

"I have to say, I must've gotten a completely different product than you did."

sigh... u missed the particle theory bit didn't you.

No. I got it. Mine looks just as well made as the last one. I would've liked a knurled ring on the button over the smooth one, but it doesn't effect the design or functionality.

I simply don't put my e-cigs under a microscope. Though I imagine my other mods would look a lot worse now than they did a few months ag0.

Read my reviews. I travel a lot and am quite harsh on my e-cigs. This particular observer knows that "new" and "shiney" are temporary things. Though, tbh, mine is still new and shiney

 

[VPDownunder]

Maybe the OP just got a bad one, seems some are disappointed and others very happy with the product. I'll probably end up getting one and seeing for myself, I'm an engineer by trade and have worked in the Aircraft industry for a number of years so am able to id the materials used and build quality quite easily so I'm curious to see who's right

 

[anim8r]

Maybe the OP just got a bad one, seems some are disappointed and others very happy with the product. I'll probably end up getting one and seeing for myself, I'm an engineer by trade and have worked in the Aircraft industry for a number of years so am able to id the materials used and build quality quite easily so I'm curious to see who's right

Imeo has stated he used a different aluminum with this new batch since his customers wanted a type that tarnishes less. Still feels like the same weight as my other aluminum GGTS. If you take the brass out, they're almost identical.

Though my first GGTS had scratches on day 1 after I started using it (my wedding ring has ridges), this one does not, but... I'm a lot more careful with the ring now. No need to mar it up before it's time

 

[tokes]

"..Aircraft industry for a number of years so am able to id the materials used"

Then you would understand that the only way to tell what its made of is to melt the part down and get it analysed.

As for the build quality, your experience will stand you in good stead in that department, I'm sure

 

[VPDownunder]

"..Aircraft industry for a number of years so am able to id the materials used"

Then you would understand that the only way to tell what its made of is to melt the part down and get it analysed.

As for the build quality, your experience will stand you in good stead in that department, I'm sure

Correct, it's why I intend on ordering one of the cheaper spare parts as well for testing I don't intend on destroying a perfectly good ggts lol.

 

[anim8r]

"..Aircraft industry for a number of years so am able to id the materials used"

Then you would understand that the only way to tell what its made of is to melt the part down and get it analysed.

As for the build quality, your experience will stand you in good stead in that department, I'm sure

I agree.

Here's the info on the new alloy used:

6082 Aluminium Extruded Bar (Al Si1 Mg Mn)

Aluminium alloy 6082 is a medium strength alloy with excellent corrosion resistance. It has the highest strength of the 6000 series alloys. Alloy 6082 is known as a structural alloy. In plate form, Aluminium alloy 6082 is the alloy most commonly used for machining. As a relatively new alloy, the higher strength of Aluminium alloy 6082 has seen it replace 6061 in many applications. The addition of a large amount of manganese controls the grain structure which in turn results in a stronger alloy.
In the T6 and T651 temper, Aluminium alloy 6082 machines well and produces tight coils of swarf when chip breakers are used.6082 is the most common general engineering alloy in the UK

 

[VPDownunder]

6082 should be perfectly acceptable for the purpose if it's indeed the material being used so it'll all come down to the build quality.

 

[define]

Tokes review was just biased. Spending 3 hours with someone else’s 2010 while attempting to fix it is not the environment from whence a review should spring. The 2010 owner had had issues all day which turned out to be a simple fuse spring issue which should take five minutes for a competent user to discover.

Even after months of use Tokes has not even made his AFS stop leaking which is also a five minute fix. Simply stating a devise feels cheap and nasty because it is lighter is also very biased. The switch unit is exactly the same as the 2009 later models which had tightness issues as well. Not hard for the user to fix IMHO.

These devices require some user twiddling and most of us accept this but I do not know a better tasting, fuller vape available anywhere so it is certainly worth my time compared to dripping and such old fashioned activities.

The top O-Ring needs improvements, a simple clean with a scalpel will fix this in 2 minutes.

 

[tokes]

I did fix his PV, in 5 min. Yay me! I'm a competent user.

My AFS works fine. Are you hallucinating?

"The top O-Ring needs improvements, a simple clean with a scalpel will fix this in 2 minutes."

Define, this is supposed to be a world class, hand made, work of art...
Look at the O-Ring, how could Imeo not spot this as he lovingly assembled this unit with great care?

 

[define]

The IRC conversation in open chat indicated something different Tokes

 

[Amajn]

I see everyones point.. and appreciate how civil it has been so far... hoping that it will stay as so..

I will save my views.. since I am satisfied with what I have,,, and there is no point in swaying one to the other.. because one thing for sure... setting peoples preferences aside.. this device isn't a fail like some other devices that we have come across in the past on this forum (not naming, to keep this thread from vering off course)

I mainly posted to bottom quote a really funny snip.

Sorry to Go off Track
But this is too damn funny

anim8r



"I don't mind what knurling is on my knobs , as long as I can grip the buggers."

Lmao LGD

 

[VPDownunder]

I have a ton of O rings at my disposal lol, though I do agree if they're hand assembled with care a dodgy o ring should be spotted easily though you said it was a borrowed one so it could have been damaged by the owner as well.

 

[tokes]

Well VP, the thing is that its not damaged. What you can see in the photo is a molding error called flashing. This flashing makes it impossible for the O-Ring to function as intended.

It's a small detail I'll grant you. But when the GG is promoted as high end, handmade work of art, then this is not good enough.

If it was a one off incident, I'd say give the manufacturer a break, nobody's perfect.
My personal opinion is that this is indicative of a shift at the GG headquarters. A shift from Handmade, works of art to a more "cost effective" incarnation.

I have no problem with that either, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. If it IS a world class, handmade work of art, then it SHOULD stand up to the most harsh scrutiny.

That is the context in which I did my review.

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

OMG, the GG vapes very well and it doesn't have issues whatsoever, it is beautiful, strong and sturdy, completely ahead of any other device, but the Greek myth is over because the unit is lighter (huh?) and I didn't like the new knurling and the shape of some O-ring.