GIANT CLOUDS! any ideas?

[SeanFromIthaca]

Hi guys, my father has been using a 510 for about 5 weeks now and he uses very low nicotine or zero nicotine juices, but has been very unhappy with the vapor production (yes VG = better, but not enough at 3.7V). He's been asking me about 6 Volt options, but since all of my research has been into the 510 I really don't know. I've looked all over the forums for 6V topics, but it's all greek to me -- batteries are no longer pre-fabbed -- the housings are (thagbuilt!) -- and there seem to be so many options it's just mind-boggling.

What he wants is a 6V setup with standard (not mini) 801 atomizers (how important is it to use bigger-bridge atomizers with high voltage?). What is the simplest way to get set up with 6V for the 801 attys and a charger? He would also like the batteries to last as long as possible -- days if possible. And of course - simplest, cheapest method -- in other words, if we can get a pre-fabbed battery/housing combo like the 900maH eGo battery I use for my 510 that I just needed to buy a charger for -- that would be preferable (at least in the short term) to buying a housing and the batteries separately.

He's really trying not to go back to smoking (and it's not from the nicotine) he just really likes loads and loads of vapor, and doesn't want to drag for 12 seconds to get it.

Any ideas? Figured I'd ask people who've tried 6V setups -- should I put this in the veterans forum? I've noticed a lot of veterans hang out in here too, so hopefully some folks can pass along their wisdom/experience on this. Thanks all!

EDIT: he's positive that he wants a 6 Volt setup

 

[roxics]

A 900maH eGo battery is still going to be 3.2 volts. It's just going to last a lot longer. Has he tried VG based juice in a low resistance cartomizer?

You can get cheap adapters from goodprophets. I think they're still $1 each. So even if you find a good mod or even just an eGo battery you adapt it to an 801.

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

I was asking for a simple, cheap setup for 6V

 

[roxics]

Well in that case you can checkout the maxi roughstack Maxi Rough Stack. 3.7 or 6 volts!

 

[cyberwolf]

To my knowledge, there are no sealed ecig batteries in higher voltages. For simple and cheap, a 5v box mod like this one at Clouds of Vapor might be a solution. A simple but slightly more expensive 6V Steampunk Thermo would also fill the bill. These type of options will require removing batteries to charge, however.

If quantity of vapor is the main priority, and not necessarily increased throat hit, I also might recommend trying out some LR options before jumping to a 6V device. If he is using a regular atty on a standard 510, there are a lot of improvements to be had between there and 6V.

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

okay -- looks like the Maxi Rough Stack or the Silver Bullet are the two best choices so far

does anyone know how those two compare? personally I like the switch position of the SB

also wondering about battery/charger options if anyone knows offhand

 

[SpEcTReCHieF]

Well I have a Silver Bullet and can get over 2 days on a 18650, 2400mah 3.7v batt with a low resistance atty. You get great vapor with the low resistance attys. At 6v with 2x RCR123A 750mah 3v batts and high res atty I get almost a full day or so. Hope that helps. Have you tried a bigger batt with low resistance attys for him? That might a better solution than going high voltage. Just make sure you get an atty that will take it, and keep em nice an wet.
Good luck

 

[JD1]

You also might want to check out some of the wattage figures floating around. A higher ohm atty has a bigger coil, there for more surface area to produce vapor. There was a good thread on that but I can't seem to find it right now. Maybe some one else can chime in that knows more about it than I do.

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

Another thing you might try on whatever you get (provided it has a 510 connector) is a 306 atty.

I have only this to say about 6V, however: be careful what you wish for.

Been there, done that. It was a kick at first (Silver Bullet with stacked RCR123As), but the novelty wore off; most of the juices I used lost flavor after 5V, and all tasted rough around the edges.

If I had it to do over again, I'd have just got a Buzz to begin with; I can tweak the voltage to different liquids and different moods, and it's a touch lighter & less bulky than my SB, which has pretty much become an expensive paperweight.

You can get a Buzz kit (includes 2 setts of batteries & charger) for $125, less with the 7.5% discount code: ECF Buzzkill: Buzz Kit

 

[Vidi]

This past week we had a meet up here in Minneapolis and I learn the joy of high VG coupled with a LR atomizer and a drip tip. I went from what I considered decent vapor to huge clouds of vapor so large my wife actually got concerned lol

So before you go spending over 100 bucks on a really good mod ( and those mods are worth it. Seeing them at the meet up made me wish I could get one right now hehe ) try a LR atomizer, a drip tip and a really good juice with a at least 50% VG.

 

[floridamale]

I have a Indulgence that will vape @ 3.7 / 6 / 7.4 volt at 6 volt and above using HR attys most juice will taste different the vaper will be hotter the TH a little bigger and the battery life a little shorter. I enjoy 3.7 using a LR atty a little more. If I were buying a different PV today I would look into a VV mod so I could dial in the best taste. There have been a few named here all are good see which one is at the price point you are looking for. Good Luck

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

thanks for all the great replies all

it sounds like my research is being borne out here in your comments

it might indeed be best to just stick with 3.7V and go with LR atty (do they burn up faster than regulars? can you use them with the big 900maH eGo batts)

I know what y'all mean about VG though -- wow... past few days since I was sick last week I've been mixing all my juices about 50/50 with straight VG (so that's like 25PG/75VG or more if the juice already had 30VG) -- flavor and throat hit are weaker, but there are only a few times a day when I seem to NEED a good throat hit -- rest of the time, like my dad, I'm a vapor hound

and since he doesn't do nicotine anyway, if he can get similarly sized clouds as a standard 70PG/30VG juice at 6V with a mostly VG juice at 3V with the LR attys, that's DEFINITELY cheaper than spending $80-140 on something that might get old really quick -- although the ones where you can switch between 3.7 and 6V do sound intriguing

my only two concerns are:

1. how much faster LR attys burn up than standard Joye 510 attys?
2. can he use his 900maH eGo batt with the LR attys? someone told me we couldn't do that not too long ago -- don't remember which thread though

 

[cskent]

If you want to try HV here's a cheap intro 3xAA 5 Volt Boxmod. Just add a couple of batt's @ around $4.29 each, a charger @ $7.99 and pick up a couple of 3 or 3.2 ohm atty's @ around $7. You will need an adapter if you want to run other atty's besides the 510. So for a little over $50 you can give it a shot. I've got the Maxi Roughstack and have tried both 6v and 3.7v. I prefer lower voltages most of the time. It gives better flavor and not much loss of vapor. But that's my opinion. A cheaper alternative would be to get a HV passthrough and a 2 amp wall adapter. That'll let you try 5v for about $20.

 

[clark8876]

my only two concerns are:

1. how much faster LR attys burn up than standard Joye 510 attys?
2. can he use his 900maH eGo batt with the LR attys? someone told me we couldn't do that not too long ago -- don't remember which thread though

1. LR attys seem to burn out earlier but like std attys - some can last for months...others just days.
2. If you are going to use the eGo battery don't go below 2ohms on your LRs. I lost 7 batteries (650, 750 & 900mah) in quick succession using 1.5ohm LRs. Boy, that was a time!!!

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

well if we can't use the 1.5ohm LR attys with the 900maH eGo battery, can we at least use the LR 306 atomizer with it? that might be another route? I read somewhere that the LR 306 attys produce more vapor than the LR 510s (not sure of the ohms for that claim though)

any idea what the ohms are on the LR 306 attys?

 

[mickdoof]

i found vapor output has alot to do with the weather as well , a nice cosy warm pub environment is great for stealth vaping cause not much vapor is produced but a chilly misty morning outside and WHOOA didnt know my lungs could hold that much

 

[clark8876]

well if we can't use the 1.5ohm LR attys with the 900maH eGo battery, can we at least use the LR 306 atomizer with it? that might be another route? I read somewhere that the LR 306 attys produce more vapor than the LR 510s (not sure of the ohms for that claim though)

any idea what the ohms are on the LR 306 attys?

Sean, I don't know what the ohms are for the 306's but from what I've read anything below 2.0ohms can kill the batteries (usually the little circuit board under the switch).

I really liked the LR attys but switched to std 510 cartomisers after the battery demise. Fortunately, a local Oz supplier has just got in some 2.0ohm 510 attys so will give them a go again.

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

alrighty then thanks Clarkie