give me your opinion about this one (vanilla pie)

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I would be interested too. This might be a good recipe. I see no real (EM a little) sweetness in this which would be a problem for me. What are you going for: Bakery cream or Cream with bakery undertones?

i was starting with very high percentage (over all 16% flavors) but it was very bad so i used these percentages
I'm confused by this statement.
Does this mean you have all ready mixed this recipe with each flavor over 16%? That would be way too high.
Or, did you mix the aggregate total to reach 16%? If so, 16% total flavoring is (IMO) mid to low end flavor strengths for a total mix of this type.

please give me your opinion and how long should i steep it before trying it to give it fair judge:
Too be safe, I would wait a minimum of 1 week and probably go two just to be sure. But only by following the suggestion below.
I have read that steeping a bad mix will not help a poor recipe.
Suggest, mix only 2 ml. with no nic and test right away. This may give you a clue as to the general taste, % to use and additions/subtractions you might want to incorporate.
 
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We all have different taste sensitivities, but I agree with BrotherBob that-- especially with all (or most) TFA-- 16% aggregate is quite normal. Most of my all-TFA juices are right around there, even a little higher. However, if this is too much for you, then the answer is of course to go lower. 5.5% of actual TFA flavorings (discounting the Smooth and EM) seems ridiculously low to me. Some people do like it like that, but that total seems more in line with a blend using FA flavors or certain tobacco flavorings.

That said, it's always a good idea to start low and add, as you can't really subtract flavorings from a given volume of juice... just add more liquid.

I can only reiterate what BrotherBob said regarding steeping. I ALWAYS test at least a bit of juice as soon as I make it. There's no sense in looking forward to a bottle that's steeping when the recipe is just bad. As you practice more, you'll start to learn what recipes taste good enough to sit and revisit and which are clearly failures from the get go.

All-fruit vapes tend to need the least amount of time to steep, IMO. Many are good immediately, though a good mix will typically gain complexity as it sits. Fruit-and-creams need at least 3-4 days (I feel), Custards/creams/bakery about a week, and tobaccos at least 10 days to 2 weeks. Granted, I tend to stick to fruit and fruit and creams so I'm not the best judge on the others, but I think those are reasonable starting places. I'm sure you can find people who vape their tobacco mixes after a day or two. I just wouldn't do it.

I mostly agree that no amount of steeping will fix a truly poor recipe, but I also think that steeping can make an iffy recipe much more vapeable. But any recipe that you try immediately and nearly makes you hurl isn't suddenly going to become your ADV just because it's sat around for a week or two.

As for your recipe, it's a little hard to say. I don't think there's enough Pie Crust to make it taste like a true Vanilla Pie, if that's what you're going for. There's 6x more Vanilla Cupcake in there, which in this case is likely to overwhelm the crust note. Personally I would probably up the Bavarian Cream and Pie Crust a little to get a better balance with the Vanilla Cupcake. Otherwise, this really isn't my wheelhouse so I'm not sure if there are any better tricks.

TLDR: Your flavorings seem low, but everyone has to figure out what amount tastes good to them and how much they want to be inhaling. Appropriate steep time varies depending on what type of flavor it is. Steeping may help make a so-so blend vapeable, but is unlikely to correct a truly awful recipe, which is why it's a good idea to vape at least a bit of your juice as soon as you've mixed it.
 
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I would be interested too. This might be a good recipe. I see no real (EM a little) sweetness in this which would be a problem for me. What are you going for: Bakery cream or Cream with bakery undertones?

I'm confused by this statement.
Does this mean you have all ready mixed this recipe with each flavor over 16%? That would be way too high.
Or, did you mix the aggregate total to reach 16%? If so, 16% total flavoring is (IMO) mid to low end flavor strengths for a total mix of this type.
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i am going for a bakery cream
and about the percentage it's the over all percentage of the flavor
and one of these flavors was giving the mix some strange chemical taste
 

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We all have different taste sensitivities, but I agree with BrotherBob that-- especially with all (or most) TFA-- 16% aggregate is quite normal. Most of my all-TFA juices are right around there, even a little higher. However, if this is too much for you, then the answer is of course to go lower. 5.5% of actual TFA flavorings (discounting the Smooth and EM) seems ridiculously low to me. Some people do like it like that, but that total seems more in line with a blend using FA flavors or certain tobacco flavorings.
the main proplem was when i add the first mix it was about
TFA pie crus: 8%
TFA dx vinilla cupcake: 4%
TFA Bavarian cream: 4%
TFA smooth 3%
EM 3 drops per 10ml
i left it for couple of days thin i tasted it there was a strange chemical unpleasant taste and very harsh and then i asked some people they tell me that this taste comes from the high percentage of flavor and gave me the other recipe.
 

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I would probably up the Bavarian Cream and Pie Crust a little to get a better balance with the Vanilla Cupcake. Otherwise, this really isn't my wheelhouse so I'm not sure if there are any better tricks.
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i think i'll try it today and if i didnot sense the pie crust and the bavarian cream i'll add 1% each to see what's gonna happend

Thanks for your help :)
 

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Cool, let us know how you get on.

Looking at your first recipe, I'm not very surprised that was kind of unpleasant. Looks like the Pie Crust percentage was super high. I did the same thing when I first started mixing; one of my very first recipes has a big note under it saying "TOO MUCH TFA PIE CRUST." :p So, you definitely do want to find the right balance. As I kind of mentioned, I'm not big on bakery vapes or I would try and give you some more guidance as to how much you might want to use, but even if so, my preferences may be different from yours.

I think your plan is good, adding 1% (even .5) to each until you hit the sweet spot.
 

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Agree with ddirtyvapes.
Pie Crust in mix--.5-2% to start. My guess around 1.5 - 2% to start.
Re: DIY flavoring starting points

To see how many DIY' ers use it, Refer :
Re: Search Results for Query: pie crust | ejuicerecipeforum-the place for DIY e-juice lovers

i am going for a bakery cream
Since your going for a Bakery Cream,
Consider adding: TFA Acetyl Pyrazine 0.2% Enhance DESERTS Gram crac.,cakes/cookies mixs --Adds Notes of- Nutty,Bakery,Roasted,bready,yeasty.
 
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I think your plan is good, adding 1% (even .5) to each until you hit the sweet spot.

i've tried the recipe and the pie crust was hidden behind the vinilla cupcake so i'll add .5% of pie crust today

Since your going for a Bakery Cream,
Consider adding: TFA Acetyl Pyrazine 0.2% Enhance DESERTS Gram crac.,cakes/cookies mixs --Adds Notes of- Nutty,Bakery,Roasted,bready,yeasty.

I've a TFA Acetyl Pyrazine but i'm very confusing in using it because it says on the bottle TFA Acetyl Pyrazine 5PG and i don't kown that 5PG means but i'll try the percentage you gave me (.2%).
 
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