Giving up on e-cigarette

[Anubuk]

Almost everything in life poses a risk. There is only so much you can try to avoid before you are miserable.

In reference to the start of this thread, xCJack just wanted some perspective. I think he got more than he bargained for. I often forget that alot of people would prefer to stay in the dark about stuff.

 

[Robino1]

Before I keep breaking links as fast as some of you keep posting. I am going to ask you to read this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

Please break links. Thank you!

Also, please remember that Pru Talbot is one of the worse offenders when it comes to lying to get E-cigs banned. That first article that was posted in the very long post, was authored by her, along with others. She used a study that was done by the FDA back in 2010 when they tried to take authorization of many shipments of ecigs. That is when they were taken to court and lost.

 

[Anubuk]

Before I keep breaking links as fast as some of you keep posting. I am going to ask you to read this: PLEASE READ! Breaking Links to Junk Science and Other Rubbish Posts

Please break links. Thank you!

Also, please remember that Pru Talbot is one of the worse offenders when it comes to lying to get E-cigs banned. That first article that was posted in the very long post, was authored by her, along with others. She used a study that was done by the FDA back in 2010 when they tried to take authorization of many shipments of ecigs. That is when they were taken to court and lost.

I am careful about what links I post. I know there are alot of lies about e cigs out there. When i put out info I make sure I know what I am writing. When I do research I literally spend hours checking and double checking. My info never comes from one site. Never. Everything I put up i had previously read.

That study by the FDA in 2010 was crap. I understand about not posting garbage links and I am sure it happens. Not saying that I can't make a mistake but I try very hard to know what I am posting. The one study in reference to cartos made sense. If you think about this from a scientific aspect, we are inhaling vapor from a hot metal coil and synthetic fabric. It is not going to 100% healthy. The cartos are scary because of the solder mostly and it makes sense in regards to science.

Point being that we should always strive to make it healthier if possible. What if because of this knowledge someone comes upon a new use for an existing product that is not dangerous to inhale at all. Or it provokes someone to find something else to use for wick and coil that we know is safe. Or safer. Thats science.

sorry about the http. I 'll go edit that.

 

[Robino1]

I'm not saying you can't post the links, just break them so that they are not "clickable". Anyone can copy and paste the link into their browser and remove spaces. We do not want to give the opposite side any foothold. Did you read the link I posted?

Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that has pru talbot's name on it, is JUNK science.

 

[Anubuk]

yes i did read it. I had forgotten but actually read when I signed up and completely understand why we should break links. That was my error and will be sure to break links in the future. I am checking out Pru Talbot right now. Its okay if I am wrong. Means I have to do more research.

 

[2naphish]

I'm not saying you can't post the links, just break them so that they are not "clickable". Anyone can copy and paste the link into their browser and remove spaces. We do not want to give the opposite side any foothold. Did you read the link I posted?

Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that has pru talbot's name on it, is JUNK science.

thank you...

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Why am I thinking that all of this is good news?

Nah. He has his own web empire now!

 

[Anubuk]

I have since found out that her testing was unethical. She used a previously discontinued product to test on. The science wasn't wrong but she did something that totally invalidates her study. Thank you. That was the piece I was missing. I was wrong. Crap like that discredits other people and pisses me off. Now I know why you dislike and don't trust her. My bad!

 

[xCJack]

First off yes there are pesticides in cotton. Those are three of many links available.

http://www.ota.com/organic/environment/cotton_environment.html

WWF - Cotton Farming

Cotton | Pesticide Action Network

And yes organic cotton uses pesticide just not synthetic pesticide and generally uses less than conventional cotton.

Organic cotton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And lastly.



[url=http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0057987]PLOS ONE: Metal and Silicate Particles Including Nanoparticles Are Present in Electronic Cigarette Cartomizer Fluid and Aerosol[/url]

[url=http://nano.foe.org.au/node/350]Nanoparticle exposure related to serious lung damage, deaths of Chinese workers | Nanotechnology Project - Friends of the Earth[/url]

[URL="http://www.missouristate.edu/assets/Sustainability/MSU_DRAFT_Nano_Best_Practices_for_Labs_2013.pdf"]http://www.missouristate.edu/assets/Sustainability/MSU_DRAFT_Nano_Best_Practices_for_Labs_2013.pdf[/URL]


The information that I am trying to impart is that we do not know to what degree we are inhaling the nano particles of these things. And nano particles are what hurts us long term. It is the nano particles in crystalline silica that causes silicosis.

DO we still inhale these when the wick is wet? It would seem unlikely but the research has not been done!

Have to find organic cotton that is marketed to be free from pesticides, dyes, and bleach. If anyone finds cotton yarn to those specifications, that fits in a mini protank 2, I will wire you $50 to a paypal account of your choosing. (I crossed my fingers on that $50 dollar remark )

As for the nano particles, the source on wikipedia says that it happens from inadequately ventilated work environments, that's a lot of dust. Even if you put a cotton wick in a clearo and just puffed on it with no juice would you think that there's enough of any particles to amount to anything? I know you're saying there isn't a way of knowing what's being inhaled but it can't be much, especially compared to a poorly ventilated textile factory.

Pesticides and hydrogen peroxide leeching into the juice and then being heated (vaped) concerns me personally more than cotton dust.

 

[Anubuk]

Have to find cotton that is marketed to be free from pesticides, dyes, and bleach.

The other day someone on here directed me to this site. The site states that it is free from dye and bleach or you can choose unbleached/undyed. There is the most beautiful silky cotton that has been prepared to make yarn. It seems natural and not bleached like the raw cotton they sell. Looks perfect for wicks. I wrote asking about pesticides but have not heard back yet. I would think they have to use something to keep bugs away but there are safe methods like planting certain plants and introducing a bug that doesn't harm the cotton but keeps the bad bugs away. Something.

cottonman.com

check it out

 

[xCJack]

The other day someone on here directed me to this site. The site states that it is free from dye and bleach or you can choose unbleached/undyed. There is the most beautiful silky cotton that has been prepared to make yarn. It seems natural and not bleached like the raw cotton they sell. Looks perfect for wicks. I wrote asking about pesticides but have not heard back yet. I would think they have to use something to keep bugs away but there are safe methods like planting certain plants and introducing a bug that doesn't harm the cotton but keeps the bad bugs away. Something.

cottonman.com

check it out

Then just take that cotton and boil it. I'm going to boil the cotton I ordered when I get it.

 

[kachuge]

The other day someone on here directed me to this site. The site states that it is free from dye and bleach or you can choose unbleached/undyed. There is the most beautiful silky cotton that has been prepared to make yarn. It seems natural and not bleached like the raw cotton they sell. Looks perfect for wicks. I wrote asking about pesticides but have not heard back yet. I would think they have to use something to keep bugs away but there are safe methods like planting certain plants and introducing a bug that doesn't harm the cotton but keeps the bad bugs away. Something.

cottonman.com

check it out

i'm always suspicious when it's "the most beautiful silky cotton"..... just like the reddest apples in the grocery store have the most pesticides, and the most perfect fruit or vegetable has the most pesticides....... and it's the local farmers that don't use the pesticides that have slightly less perfect fruit that see their produce sitting on the shelf rotting away......
just saying....... perfect doesn't always mean 'pesticide free', sometimes it means 'more pesticide'..
just be careful,
g

 

[AndriaD]

Organic cotton should be free of pesticides.

Organic doesn't mean that at all. It means there are no PETROCHEMICAL or other inorganic pesticides. There are lots of organic pesticides, which can be used with impunity on crops deemed "organic," because hey, they're organic. Pyrethrum is deadly, and is made from flowers -- in fact you can make it yourself very easily.

Andria

 

[irwink]

Looks like I'm going to be giving up on e-cigarettes. The first reason is that I shorted out my battery by getting juice on it. The second reason is that it seems that the jury is out on the safety of wick materials. Silica is said to fragment and be inhaled, and cotton, even if organic, is bleached with hydrogen peroxide, which is an oxidizer, not something to be inhaled. I would assume that the amount of hydrogen peroxide in a cotton ball is minuscule, but unless the safety of wick materials can be verified 100%, it's just not a gamble I'm willing to take.

Buh Bye!...

 

[Dumas Mesuri]

Nicotine is used as a pesticide. I doubt there are many if any places in the world that you can breathe without inhaling at least some pesticide residue. What about hemp as a wick material?

 

[Bontasia]

I agree with what some of the others here have said - a lot of us are scared that this thing that has proven to stop us from smoking, something MANY of us never thought would ever happen, is being threatened everywhere we look so yes, you are going to find us a somewhat defensive bunch. With good reason in my opinion.

I'll be completely honest with you, and I don't say this to be offensive, but I read your post and rolled my eyes. If you're worried about what could be in your wicks then don't vape. I smoked for 29 YEARS and stopped cold turkey and with no effort after my first vape. There is no way for me to convey how life changing that has been. In EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. So yes you sitting there as a person who has never smoked and is worried about inhaling something from cotton just rubs me the wrong way. I admittedly have a chip on my shoulder because I AM scared that the government or BT or BP is going to take it away.

On one level I know it's wrong for me to feel this way, I shouldn't judge your struggle but I can't help but do so. It reminds me of a really thin woman groaning about needing to lose 5 pounds to her very overweight friend. I can't help it that I just think your struggle isn't as big as mine. As wrong as that may be, it's true. This isn't a cute hobby for me it's something much bigger.

You won't find many people here who aren't aware of the possible risks, and despite what you or anyone else may think most of us aren't wearing blinders and assuming that there is absolutely no way vaping could be bad for us even in some small way. But for so many of us who have found our salvation from decades and decades of pumping deadly chemicals into our bodies it's a risk we are perfectly willing to take.

 

[AndriaD]

I agree with what some of the others here have said - a lot of us are scared that this thing that has proven to stop us from smoking, something MANY of us never thought would ever happen, is being threatened everywhere we look so yes, you are going to find us a somewhat defensive bunch. With good reason in my opinion.

I'll be completely honest with you, and I don't say this to be offensive, but I read your post and rolled my eyes. If you're worried about what could be in your wicks then don't vape. I smoked for 29 YEARS and stopped cold turkey and with no effort after my first vape. There is no way for me to convey how life changing that has been. In EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. So yes you sitting there as a person who has never smoked and is worried about inhaling something from cotton just rubs me the wrong way. I admittedly have a chip on my shoulder because I AM scared that the government or BT or BP is going to take it away.

On one level I know it's wrong for me to feel this way, I shouldn't judge your struggle but I can't help but do so. It reminds me of a really thin woman groaning about needing to lose 5 pounds to her very overweight friend. I can't help it that I just think your struggle isn't as big as mine. As wrong as that may be, it's true. This isn't a cute hobby for me it's something much bigger.

You won't find many people here who aren't aware of the possible risks, and despite what you or anyone else may think most of us aren't wearing blinders and assuming that there is absolutely no way vaping could be bad for us even in some small way. But for so many of us who have found our salvation from decades and decades of pumping deadly chemicals into our bodies it's a risk we are perfectly willing to take.

You're so right. And it positively infuriates me that the people who let the economy of this country go down the toilet while they were busy defending "laissez faire" will not now abide by the RULES of laissez faire -- let the market decide!!!!!!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

You're so right. And it positively infuriates me that the people who let the economy of this country go down the toilet while they were busy defending "laissez faire" will not now abide by the RULES of laissez faire -- let the market decide!!!!!!

Andria

PS: and it's true that skinny girls don't have the huge problem that not-so-skinny girls have, but if you ignore a small problem, it often turns into a big one -- that's why I never get more than about 25 lbs overweight before I holler HOLD IT RIGHT THERE! and do something about it... because I don't want to be 50 lbs overweight!

However what you said, the whining about possible by-products of cotton, to people who've been inhaling carcinogenic smoke and now can trade that for possible by-products of cotton, seems pretty silly to me too.

 

[CKCalmer]

I'm apparently not seeing the problem that many others here are seeing. The OP has no ANTZ/trolling history I'm aware of, and he doesn't seem to be against anyone else vaping. He didn't smoke, so has a lower starting incentive to vape in the first place than those of us who wanted to save ourselves from decades of carcinogens. My first thought was that maybe he still wants to frequent the forums even if he doesn't vape. Nothing in the rules says you can't do that as long as you're 18 or older.

I know that if for whatever reason I had to quit vaping, or even just wanted to quit vaping, I'd still like to come around and be a bother because the people here are particularly great in my opinion.

So to the OP I would simply say that I'm sorry you didn't find a vaping solution you liked, perhaps you still might before setting aside your APV for good, I wish you the best, and maybe you'll still like to come around to ECF even if you don't vape.

I came here because I vape. I stay because of the people.

But that's just me.

 

[xCJack]

I'm apparently not seeing the problem that many others here are seeing. The OP has no ANTZ/trolling history I'm aware of, and he doesn't seem to be against anyone else vaping. He didn't smoke, so has a lower starting incentive to vape in the first place than those of us who wanted to save ourselves from decades of carcinogens. My first thought was that maybe he still wants to frequent the forums even if he doesn't vape. Nothing in the rules says you can't do that as long as you're 18 or older.

I know that if for whatever reason I had to quit vaping, or even just wanted to quit vaping, I'd still like to come around and be a bother because the people here are particularly great in my opinion.

So to the OP I would simply say that I'm sorry you didn't find a vaping solution you liked, perhaps you still might before setting aside your APV for good, I wish you the best, and maybe you'll still like to come around to ECF even if you don't vape.

I came here because I vape. I stay because of the people.

But that's just me.

I never got hooked on cigarettes, but I like to smoke. I'm a smoker, although I prefer smoking material that is more of a green shade. Now I can't smoke cigarettes because they are just nasty, and the psychoactivity of green herbs is not good for me, so that is where vaping came to play.

The community here is great, a lot of nice people. I actually ordered a new battery, some VG e liquid, new coil heads, and some organic cotton yarn. If the yarn fits in my mini protank 2, I think I will be able to vape relatively concern free, which I'm excited about.