Going to be demonstrating my PV in English!

[camci]

So I wrote a paper that focused on "How to quit smoking using the E-cigarette". I would have only focused on the E-Cig entirely, but the assignment was to write about a "process", aka the "process of quitting smoking" was the easiest way to go to write about the e-cig.

My Professor loved my paper, and asked me to demonstrate it IN CLASS on Thursday for extra credit!
Big ego boost. Hopefully I get the student's attention!


On another note, Starbucks totally denied me being able to use my PV in their shop! I asked them beforehand if I could and told them what it was, but all the manager said was "Sorry, your going to have to take it outside". I didn't want to argue that it was actually "legal", you know, "his house his rules", i'm not disrespectful and I don't want to give e-cigs a bad name. But man drinking that coffee with no ecig was torture.

 

[Liscab]

Actually is not ilegal nor legal,but the action could be scaring

 

[Zerayu]

So I wrote a paper that focused on "How to quit smoking using the E-cigarette". I would have only focused on the E-Cig entirely, but the assignment was to write about a "process", aka the "process of quitting smoking" was the easiest way to go to write about the e-cig.

My Professor loved my paper, and asked me to demonstrate it IN CLASS on Thursday for extra credit!
Big ego boost. Hopefully I get the student's attention!


On another note, Starbucks totally denied me being able to use my PV in their shop! I asked them beforehand if I could and told them what it was, but all the manager said was "Sorry, your going to have to take it outside". I didn't want to argue that it was actually "legal", you know, "his house his rules", i'm not disrespectful and I don't want to give e-cigs a bad name. But man drinking that coffee with no ecig was torture.

Re: E-cig demonstration in class - Very cool! Let us know how it goes.

Re: Starbucks incident - Why didn't you just take your coffee outside? Most Starbucks have outdoor seating available, yes?

 

[camci]

Re: E-cig demonstration in class - Very cool! Let us know how it goes.

Re: Starbucks incident - Why didn't you just take your coffee outside? Most Starbucks have outdoor seating available, yes?

Yes, but I was actually there for a study group, so I couldn't walk out and vape as I pleased, I had to stay focused and on top which would have made the headaches allot more bearable if I had been able to vape.

 

[dionymnia]

Yes, but I was actually there for a study group, so I couldn't walk out and vape as I pleased, I had to stay focused and on top which would have made the headaches allot more bearable if I had been able to vape.

That's awesome, camci! I'm actually a professor of English, and I've been talking nonstop to my students about vaping since I got my PV in September. They've been subject to several demonstrations. I consider it my job to evangelize about the ecig, and so far I've had 4-5 students who are seriously researching them not just for class, but for themselves or for family members!

Glad to hear my English classes aren't the only ones where the ecig's become a subject of conversation!

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

So I wrote a paper that focused on "How to quit smoking using the E-cigarette". I would have only focused on the E-Cig entirely, but the assignment was to write about a "process", aka the "process of quitting smoking" was the easiest way to go to write about the e-cig.

Let me get this straight. Was the english assigment specifically to write a paper on the process of quitting smoking or did you pick that yourself?

If you picked it, good job. Hope you got an A+

If the quitting smoking was the actual assignment from the professor, I'd have a BIG problem with that professor.

 

[camci]

Don't worry, I picked it myself

Even if she did, how do you feel about grade school health classes preaching the dangers of smoking?
I find it rather repetitive, but I don't think it's wrong warning people the dangers of smoking. After all, WE quit smoking too due to the dangers.

 

[dionymnia]

Don't worry, I picked it myself

Even if she did, how do you feel about grade school health classes preaching the dangers of smoking?
I find it rather repetitive, but I don't think it's wrong warning people the dangers of smoking. After all, WE quit smoking too due to the dangers.

Warning: Slightly long rant ahead

I don't think there's a problem with warning people about the dangers of smoking - you're right that many of us vape because we're trying to get away from the health dangers of cigarettes. I have to say, though, that I do have a problem with how it often gets structured when it is made into a grade school lesson. It becomes, often, a moralizing lesson rather than a lesson intended strictly to educate.

Not to rant, but I do think that this is part of the reason PVs are having trouble in the public realm - so much effort has been made to frame cigarette smoking as a moral issue: "You're killing your kids with second hand smoke!" "You're subjecting other people to your nasty habit!" "Everyone else is paying for your addiction when you get sick and go to the hospital!" It's become a shameful habit. I'm not saying that these statements aren't TRUE - just that there's a difference between talking about the health dangers of cigarettes, and moralizing the issue to a degree that smokers become seen as "bad" people. Thus, it's no surprise that vapers have experiences of people being blindly opposed to PVs - people have been trained to look down on the use of nicotine regardless of how it's taken. It has been framed as a moral defect (while millions of people can't get through the day without their *caffeine* hit).

It starts young. As someone in education, the grade school lessons on smoking that I have observed tend to involve asking, "Aren't cigarettes gross??" (Kids reply: "YEEESSSS!") And then, sooner or later, the conversation turns to the question, "Do you know someone who smokes? Doesn't it make you feel bad that they do?"

I remember when my mom found out that I smoked (at the age of 20). I came home to visit one day and found a stack of kids' library books conspicuously placed in my room. She'd taken my little sisters to the library specifically to get children books about how to convince your parents/family to quit smoking - it was a guilt tactic more than an honest attempt to talk to me about the health problems smoking could cause.

End Rant

 

[Wellner]

Warning: Slightly long rant ahead

I don't think there's a problem with warning people about the dangers of smoking - you're right that many of us vape because we're trying to get away from the health dangers of cigarettes. I have to say, though, that I do have a problem with how it often gets structured when it is made into a grade school lesson. It becomes, often, a moralizing lesson rather than a lesson intended strictly to educate.

Not to rant, but I do think that this is part of the reason PVs are having trouble in the public realm - so much effort has been made to frame cigarette smoking as a moral issue: "You're killing your kids with second hand smoke!" "You're subjecting other people to your nasty habit!" "Everyone else is paying for your addiction when you get sick and go to the hospital!" It's become a shameful habit. I'm not saying that these statements aren't TRUE - just that there's a difference between talking about the health dangers of cigarettes, and moralizing the issue to a degree that smokers become seen as "bad" people. Thus, it's no surprise that vapers have experiences of people being blindly opposed to PVs - people have been trained to look down on the use of nicotine regardless of how it's taken. It has been framed as a moral defect (while millions of people can't get through the day without their *caffeine* hit).

It starts young. As someone in education, the grade school lessons on smoking that I have observed tend to involve asking, "Aren't cigarettes gross??" (Kids reply: "YEEESSSS!") And then, sooner or later, the conversation turns to the question, "Do you know someone who smokes? Doesn't it make you feel bad that they do?"

I remember when my mom found out that I smoked (at the age of 20). I came home to visit one day and found a stack of kids' library books conspicuously placed in my room. She'd taken my little sisters to the library specifically to get children books about how to convince your parents/family to quit smoking - it was a guilt tactic more than an honest attempt to talk to me about the health problems smoking could cause.

End Rant

Agreed with every word. The subject of smoking has changed erratically in the past decade. It started with a warning of the health hazards, and now there are advertisements that, in the gist, say "If you are a smoker, you are killing yourself, everyone around you, and the environment."

It's great that camci sparked an interest in a class. Find some more subjects to throw PVs in!

 

[MattNKB]

Wow, I was just about to post a new topic about what I did yesterday... guess i dont have to!


I emailed my Political Science teacher about the E-cig ban in California (since this is where i live) and she looked up the actual bill. I received a reply from her saying "I'd love for you to talk about this in class tonight; not only do we have lots of smokers on campus who would probably like to quit, but it's a good example of our short-sighted legislators!"

So I did a little research before class only to find out that this bill was introduced as a "Clean Energy Bill" and then was changed to completely ban sales of E-cig's in Califonia.

I explained to the class as much as i could about the E-cig and the bill that is sitting on The Governator's desk that needs to be VETO'd. Everyone had so many questions regarding the E-cig and many of the students promised me they would send an email and make a phone call.

SCORE ONE for our team not sure if this will make any change though....

 

[dionymnia]

Long spiel, part deux

It's fantastic to see these discussions going on. It's right up there with how vapers are exposing the topic to their own doctors, many of whom aren't familiar with or even aware or PVs! The classroom is a great place to introduce these conversations, because not only is it a broader audience of smokers and nonsmokers, but it shows how this isn't a black-and-white issue like the FDA is depicting it. Just like with cigarette smoking, the FDA and the press "reporting" about the subject are focusing on moralizing aspects of ecigs, like how children will be seduced into smoking because of bubblegum flavored e-juice.

By researching and discussing it in school like we're talking about here, we can break the restraints of a morality-bound discussion. Instead of being an issue of morality, it becomes an issue of the broader culture, and the cultural influences are more apparent - legal, medical, and market-based influences, along with the influence of government and media. These issues of legality, medicine, culture, and rhetoric all play into how the ecig movement does or does not, will or will not, make progress.

I stopped using my PV in class last week because I had a couple students who are smokers who complained, saying that they didn't like that they couldn't smoke in the classroom (so, according to them, why then should I be able to vape). When I stopped using it, other (nonsmoking) students asked why and I explained about the complaints - they all thought it was absurd and encouraged me to go back to vaping while teaching! I think it's funny - because we've been talking about the topic in so many ways, these 18-year-olds are more familiar with the issue, the talking points, and how the FDA & press have manipulated the issue, and they are able to see beyond the moralizing arguments in a way that so many other opponents don't.

MattNKB: that's funny - the Cali bill to ban ecigs was framed as a "clean energy bill?" Too funny....

 

[NaviRahu]

Wow, that sounds awesome! I just finished a paper on the e-cig myself. I think it's a great way to get the word out there. It was for environmental science, and we have to find articles and say how they relate to things like human health, wildlife, and environment. I thought an article on the e-cig was perfect. Especially since I have a classmate who believes the bs the FDA is putting out, and thinks the e-cigs are bad because "children can buy them over the internet." Okay, those same children could buy porn over the internet too.

I hope these papers written for school are really going to get the word out.

 

[dionymnia]

My Professor loved my paper, and asked me to demonstrate it IN CLASS on Thursday for extra credit!

How'd the demonstration go?