Gonna give snus a go

[paladinx]

Im trying to quit cigarettes. Why? Not because I believe all the exaggerated hype of how deadly cigs are, but I realize the way i consume cigarettes, it will probably cause me problems in the not so distant future. I smoke around a pack and a half a day or more, and i just smoke in a small computer room all day when im working or writing reports and I spit up brown **** anytime i cough up lol.

I was going to try the E-cig route, but I have a 901 sitting here unused because I just do not like all the uknowns and uncertainties of it. People cant even agree on how much nicotine they are getting from the damn things. So why swap addictions to something that seems uncertain. I ordered some snus from notherner today and going to try to switch addictions to that. Hopefully it wont be as bad or worse then the cigs lol. My main concern with using snus to quit smoking is the habbit of actually smoking. That is going to be tough to break. Not sure if snus will work, but im going to give it a shot.

regards

 

[Elwin]

Good for you!

You're not alone. There's a lot of us here that are in the same boat as you.


Look at it this way: the cost of an average E-cig starter is around 50 bucks. Take that same 50 dollars and you can buy yourself a nice selection of Swedish snus. You'll get a chance to try a multitude of flavours and strengths, and I'd bet you you'll find at least one you really enjoy.

And even if it doesn't help you quit completely, think of the break you'll give to your lungs - even if you only snus 2-3 hours a day.

Just remember that it won't be the instant fix of nicotine that smoke is, but it lasts LONGER than the usual cigarette hit does.

And never give up trying. Even a partial victory is better than total failure...

 

[breakfastchef]

If smoking ananlogs or using another form of tobacco is less harmful than using a personal vaporizer to you, than you have made your decision based on the knowns and unknowns of this new habit. That is great for you. For me, I firmly believe I have reduced the harm I was doing to myself by smoking analogs by a huge degree by vaping instead. I am an adult, have reviewed pertinent information, consultd a physican and am quite certain I am better off now.

 

[TropicalBob]

Palindinx: Both! Don't toss aside your 901. Put zero-nic in it, and pick it up periodically for the hand to mouth action. You might miss that more than you think. Dangle it from your mouth, even with a snus in place. Use it between your fingers during conversation.

Snus and e-cigs go beautifully together. Nicotine satisfaction from snus; psychological fix from e-cigs. Good luck.

 

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

I hear you paladin. I stopped feeling comfortable with the e-cig as well after a few batches of juice left me feeling not-so-good. I think the e-cig is great in theory but there is no way of knowing what you're actually getting in your e-juice and what the long term effects are (Note: be careful expressing concerns on this forum- you may get flamed by the hypersensitive types for even suggesting the precious e-cig isn't a sure thing)

I snus full time now and really don't miss cigarettes at all. I took a hit off one recently and it was absolutely disgusting now that I'm part of the wonderful world of snus. If you do have a problem with the whole "oral fixation" thing you could try just breathing the vapor into your mouth and then breathing it out as you snus... That way you get your nicotine and oral fix without having to worry about inhaling anything harmful.

As for me...I got past the whole oral fixation thing and am fully enjoying snus alone. (Which by the way gives a nicotine hit that e-cigs can't compete with... IMHO snus is much more satisfying).

Enjoy the world of snus and good luck.

 

[paladinx]

Thanks guys. Well I really have not based my decision on much lol. Thats the problem. There is not much to base a decision on. Like I posted in another thread, I really do not think anyone has a clue about the safety of E-cigarettes because they are comparing an E-cigarette to an anti tobacco campaign era.


To bob, I was thinking about using both. Its just when i put that thing to my lips and drip that strange liquid from china into the catridge, I just feel very uneasy. Like even if I bought the 0 nicotine liquid. Its like i dont even trust what they say haha. back of my mind Im thinking, this could be 50 grams of nicotine by accident with the snus, forget it.. haha. Paranoia i guess.

To definition::

haha, i know what u mean. below is what i posted in another thread and some got quite angry.

**This post is a bulllcrap ranting that I copy and pasted from another thread i wrote.. youcan ignore if you want to. Its just my general viewpoint towards the health concerns discussed on this forum. And i probably repeated it too many times. So ignore if you already heard this same old rant.

Put it this way. I know and have heard NUMEROUS people who have smoked cigarettes heavy from very early ages. Take a person who has smoked since they were only 14 years old. There are MANY people who have smoked from their early teens all the way to middle age, and have no health problems. A majority of those who have health problems from cigarettes, lets face reality guys, are people ON AVERAGE who smoke packs a day for 30 plus years. Can the same be said justifiably about e-smoking? If i e-smoked from 14 years old to 40, your telling me im completely assured with todays data that I would not have any health problems? How do you know the chemicals in E-smoking might not completely ravish your kidneys or liver or another organ after 15 years of heavy use? meanwhile a tobacco smoker would probably not be in any grave danger in 15 years.

Its just some food for thought that I try to stress on this forum. Because I feel that we know what the chemicals are in cigarettes we know the dangers, we know what can happen. So it sounds awfully terrible, and it probably is terrible. But your comparing all that negative **** that has accumulated over decades to something brand new and mostly unknown. There are many things that can kill you much quicker then cigarettes, Cigarettes are rather slow killers when you really think about it. Sometimes you have to approach **** with a little common sense. Again, it might not be heart disease or cancer we need to worry about, but something else that might cause us problems in, perhaps, even the nearer future. five years, 10 years? who fuggin knows.

regards

 

[paladinx]

in case i use both, what liquid do you buy tropical bob? I know you know ur **** more then me and have been on this forum longer. Which liquid are you trusting more these days?

Im pretty much a noob who can type fast and share my opinions which I think are common sense ones. But as far as the specifics of e-smoking, I cant claim to be any where near an expert, so hopefully I dont come off as trying to sound like one..

regards

 

[Elwin]

Well, I'm not TB, but I make my own using vegetable glycerin and flavourings like loranns. I'm a menthol smoker so my go-to product is just a little menthol crystal disolved in VG. Vapes good, satisfies me fine, and is dirt cheap. I bought a 1/4 ounce of menthol from Juicyliquid, and I figure I can make about a quart of zero nic menthol from that...

 

[paladinx]

hmm so some of you guys are making your own liquids, thats cool. I wouldnt know where to get the ingredients from. Why do you use vg instead of the usual pg stuff?

regards

 

[TropicalBob]

Everything we do regarding e-smoking is done on blind faith. And I mean BLIND. Anyone who thinks we know squat about e-smoking is deceiving himself or herself. We don't know who makes our liquid, what's in our liquid, the quality control with our liquid and devices (there were photos not long ago of assemblers with bare hands moving mouthpieces into sanitary bags .. OMG), the long term effects of vaping, etc ....

I fell in love with the promise of e-smoking. Fulfilling that promise is perhaps a decade away. It will take time and money to study this and perfect the vapor contents and delivery system. The devices so many love today are Model As.

That said, I'm old enough to take a leap of faith. I use Janty liquid and carts almost 100%. I do mess around with making my own liquid, and plan some new experiments with that shortly.

But I was asked in a PM about how I liked the new 48mg liquid I received. I answered as I have stated on this forum before: I do not use e-liquid immediately after I receive it. I put it away. I wait. I read to see if people are dropping like flies from some new liquid! After three months, I start using the liquid.

I get VG at a health food store; PG is at Tractor Supply; flavors come from Bickford. I'm still working on that "perfect" formula I've yet to discover ...

 

[paladinx]

Hmm I must say, VG coming from a health food store sounds much more attractive then PG from a tractor store haha.

"We don't know who makes our liquid, what's in our liquid, the quality control with our liquid and devices"

If you make your own juice, wouldnt that put to rest some of those concerns about safety of liquid?

 

[TropicalBob]

Yes. The impossible task for home brewers is knowing how much nicotine my own liquid contains, unless I resort to mixing mine with commercial e-liquid. If I do that .. I'm back to the unknown hazards.

PG is used on cow's teats. VG is used in food mixes.

 

[paladinx]

So i guess VG might be healthier to use? I see what your saying. I wouldnt have any idea on how to get nicotine, Maybe from buying nicotine inhalers or something? I dont know much about it. So I guess if you guys figure out the nicotine problem or whatever, then home batches might be the way to go.

regards

 

[cowgal]

PG is used on cow's teats.

LOL!! I've heard it described a lotta ways... used in asthma inhalers, theatrical fog machines... but... "on cow's teats"? I wonder what exactly they're doing with it on cow's teats?

 

[TropicalBob]

Prevents them drying out, supposedly. PG is a humectant, maintaining about 70% moisture where it is applied. It's used in some skin moisturizers for this purpose. It draws moisture from the humid air to the dry skin. The opposite happens in our throats. It coats the throat, then draws moisture from the throat surface to the drier air in the mouth. We get dry throats.