I went to my fav local b+m ,and since they just moved , they had a lot of old stock on clearance. I found a copper ragnarok for 29.95. I didn't look to closely but looked well built. when I got it home I found out what a beast it is. 24 mm very solid and heavy. it sat around quite a while as it is pre patinated. it hits harder than my four other mechs including a copper hybrid. the threads are the best I've ever felt and the button is great as well. I don't use mechs that often but this is growing on me.