Got stopped by plainsclothes NYPD detective for Ego-C Twist 650

[Rusty S.]

But that's the point... society has no rules for vaping.

I get having some decorum, not blowing big plumes of vapor in people faces... but going outside to the smoking area, because smoking is banned, is silly... going outside to vape, makes sense to avoid confrontation... but, I would suggest NOT going to the smoking section.

Associating what we do with smoking won't do anything but harm our cause

I don't believe I'd enjoy hanging out in the smoking section - I'd rather be a good distance away from it, because if I understand correctly, when a person's sense of smell comes back, the smoking section becomes pretty repellant; in fact, I don't even like it now, and I tend to go a distance away, especially when there's a smoldering public ashtray.

Whether we like it or not, the public will associate vaping with smoking until there is common awareness. I didn't know a thing about it until Blu put out those commercials over the holiday, and when I saw it, I chuckled at the thought of the trouble Blu was going to get for having a commercial about something that looks like smoking.

As a result of the Blu commercials, I did enough research to get myself to the point where I'm ready to make the switch, but I had the curiosity; a lot of people don't, and it's going to take some time for them to see the difference.

I think forbearance will be absolutely necessary until it becomes common knowledge and the public understands that they're not going to get cooties from vapor. Considering the vitriolic attitude the ANTZ have encouraged against smoking, I can see how people will have a strong reaction against anything that bears even a remote similarity. I don't like it, but I understand it.

 

[Abe_Katz]

Neither do I

But I generally don't vape in private businesses unless its allowed... but that's because it could causes a scene... not because there is a smoking ban.

You said:


Meaning you choose where you vape based on smoking bans.

I'm not a smoker anymore... smoking bans don't apply to me.
Policies of property owners do... but those are not the same.

BTW most bars here in So Cal have no problem with vaping.

Perhaps that is right. However, I mostly do it because I don't like causing a scene (and Mrs Katz doesn't need scenes caused because if I do go out to a restaurant--that I'm not working at--it is with her). Furthermore, I really am also only starting to understand vaping so I prefer to not have to explain it to others, at this juncture. (Mostly because I only barely know what I'm talking about myself.)

As to bars or restaurant (I don't go out to those types of establishments often--I work in a restaurant I don't find the environment relaxing at all--and I don't go to bars at all because I don't particularly like going to bars) so I cannot say absolutely as a vaper if I would or would not vape in the restaurant. Chances are at this time I would not, and furthermore would not ask because I don't want to have to explain it or answer questions I may not have answers for, and I certainly don't want to cause a scene (you'd be surprised where ANTZ have a tendency to show up).

For me it is a matter of conflict avoidance (rather than a "letter of the law" issue), and I can manage to eat a meal without vaping during it. I certainly managed to avoid smoking while eating in restaurants.

 

[Abe_Katz]

Smoking is irrelevant.

That's like saying that people who drink tomato juice in public are showing off because "smoking is forbidden in public area".

Vaping IS NOT smoking

It's not "eSmoking"

I don't even use "e-Cigarettes".... I use a PV

And this is exactly the reason why.

Please people... STOP associating Vaping with smoking... you are hurting the cause.

I would love to know CW how is it that I completely agree with you on this stance, and yet also disagree with you in reguards to my personal behavior choices for this current time.

I want to be clear here that I also think that vaping "because you can" also can and will hurt the cause. When it comes to the FDA and whatever nonsense they are likely to propose we have to remember that we are in a battle for public opinion. People acting like they have no decorum what-so-ever also hurts the cause. (Not that I'm accusing you or anyone else of behaving in such a manner.)

 

[patkin]

Smoking is irrelevant.

That's like saying that people who drink tomato juice in public are showing off because "smoking is forbidden in public area".

Vaping IS NOT smoking

It's not "eSmoking"

I don't even use "e-Cigarettes".... I use a PV

And this is exactly the reason why.

Please people... STOP associating Vaping with smoking... you are hurting the cause.

We, obviously, don't live in the same world. Smoking is very relevant. Vaping is a smoking alternative and, therefore, linked. Kinda says it all... right?

But just in case... we don't link them... the industry does. We don't link them.... the "people" do. They see: inserting in mouth.. draw.... blow out what looks like smoke. Come on: "tomato juice?"

Being a bit more reality-based might help the future of vaping and all vapers.

 

[ClippinWings]

I would love to know CW how is it that I completely agree with you on this stance, and yet also disagree with you in reguards to my personal behavior choices for this current time.

I want to be clear here that I also think that vaping "because you can" also can and will hurt the cause. When it comes to the FDA and whatever nonsense they are likely to propose we have to remember that we are in a battle for public opinion. People acting like they have no decorum what-so-ever also hurts the cause. (Not that I'm accusing you or anyone else of behaving in such a manner.)

I don't flaunt it.

I DO vape in movie theaters... and other public indoor venues where I feel I can do so without causing a scene (Stealth vaping, in a dark theater with a mod that doesn't have a light on it... absolutely un-noticeable to the average patron).

I don't generally vape in restaurants... (Aside from my previously mentioned ritual of leaving a glass full of vapor on the table when I leave )

But I will vape outdoors in public... Hell, I go out of my way to stand next to "No Smoking" signs and vape... not to "flaunt it" but because there is no law against it... and the only way to make people aware of it is to make them aware of it... If asked not to "smoke" I very politely and calmly explain that I am not, and explain what vaping is...

Using this approach I have never received any negative response... the response has always been quite positive and that reinforces my approach... If I ever receive a negative reaction, I will have to consider adjusting my behavior.

I am not belligerent, not argumentative or confrontational.... but I spent over 20 years being treated like a leper because I was hopelessly addicted to smoking... I refuse to lump myself into that group by choice.

 

[ClippinWings]

We, obviously, don't live in the same world. Smoking is very relevant. Vaping is a smoking alternative and, therefore, linked. Kinda says it all... right?

So is chewing gum... do you go outside to chew gum?

do you go stand in the smoking section to chew gum?

But just in case... we don't link them... the industry does. We don't link them.... the "people" do. They see: inserting in mouth.. draw.... blow out what looks like smoke. Come on: "tomato juice?"

Why are they linked? Nicotine?

Nicotine is found in tomato juice.

As for appearance... that's an education issue... how the hell are people supposed to learn about vaping unless they see it and experience people doing it around them?

Being a bit more reality-based might help the future of vaping and all vapers.

Agreed.

So I think we'd all be better off when people stop thinking of themselves as ex-smokers... and start thinking of themselves as Vapers.

We are NOT smokers.

 

[Abe_Katz]

I don't flaunt it.

I DO vape in movie theaters... and other public indoor venues where I feel I can do so without causing a scene (Stealth vaping, in a dark theater with a mod that doesn't have a light on it... absolutely un-noticeable to the average patron).

I don't generally vape in restaurants... (Aside from my previously mentioned ritual of leaving a glass full of vapor on the table when I leave )

But I will vape outdoors in public... Hell, I go out of my way to stand next to "No Smoking" signs and vape... not to "flaunt it" but because there is no law against it... and the only way to make people aware of it is to make them aware of it... If asked not to "smoke" I very politely and calmly explain that I am not, and explain what vaping is...

Using this approach I have never received any negative response... the response has always been quite positive and that reinforces my approach... If I ever receive a negative reaction, I will have to consider adjusting my behavior.

I am not belligerent, not argumentative or confrontational.... but I spent over 20 years being treated like a leper because I was hopelessly addicted to smoking... I refuse to lump myself into that group by choice.

Well with the exception of your ritual, and movie theaters (mostly because I've not been inside a movie theater for years) then our behavior is not so different really.

I've vaped in front of no smoking signs (the only times I've not vaped in front of a no smoking sign is while pumping gas or next to propane tanks--but that is more of a safety issue I think), I vape outdoors in public every single day. The most common situation is while I'm walking my dogs. Though I vape just about anywhere at any time outside. And I will vape in businesses where I know that vaping is allowed.

My main concern is to avoid being confronted. That may be a regional cultural difference. In the South just about any confrontation in public can quickly become viewed as making a scene, so it is best to avoid them altogether.

 

[ClippinWings]

Well with the exception of your ritual, and movie theaters (mostly because I've not been inside a movie theater for years) then our behavior is not so different really.

I've vaped in front of no smoking signs (the only times I've not vaped in front of a no smoking sign is while pumping gas or next to propane tanks--but that is more of a safety issue I think), I vape outdoors in public every single day. The most common situation is while I'm walking my dogs. Though I vape just about anywhere at any time outside. And I will vape in businesses where I know that vaping is allowed.

My main concern is to avoid being confronted. That may be a regional cultural difference. In the South just about any confrontation in public can quickly become viewed as making a scene, so it is best to avoid them altogether.

Yeah, I openly admit that my little ritual... MAY be pushing it... but truth is... no one would think it was smoke... with ice in the glass it just sits there swirling... sure when the bus boy pushes it into his bin, it may "poof" up a bit... but again, it would be more of a "..." moment than anything...

Not sure how, why or when that started... but it's just what I do.

Again, if anyone didn't like my explanation of vaping and still insisted I moved, I'd re-evaluate my approach...

 

[CowDog]

Smoking is irrelevant.

That's like saying that people who drink tomato juice in public are showing off because "smoking is forbidden in public area".

Vaping IS NOT smoking

It's not "eSmoking"

I don't even use "e-Cigarettes".... I use a PV

And this is exactly the reason why.

Please people... STOP associating Vaping with smoking... you are hurting the cause.

You are completely correct on all points. I also have stopped using the term ecig for the reasons you listed.

However some people get severely bent out of shape about cigarettes and their first perception of vaping is usually that it is smoke. Vaping to prove a point starts their introduction to vaping as a confrontation. Even if you explain AND they accept they are wrong, most people do not like to be proven ignorant.

In a few years when vaping is more recognized will be the time to stand up for rights. For now it is better to tread lightly and not go out of the way to aggravate people.

 

[DuaneNeveu]

"Too often, people are erroneously motivated to fight for personal rights that inherently tread on the rights of their brothers."

 

[darkhood]

don't think u can say that here...

 

[DuaneNeveu]

my professor thought my e-go was a ***** pipe at fist haha

You most definitely will need to edit that post.

 

[Mderington]

I vape where ever I can in public to help increase the awareness. I have vape din Walmart, Home Depot, lowes where ever. I haven't had any issues. This past week I was vaping at a holiday inn resturant in San Antonio and the waitress was bringing drinks and not saying a word.

 

[ClippinWings]

In a few years when vaping is more recognized will be the time to stand up for rights. For now it is better to tread lightly and not go out of the way to aggravate people.

In a few years, we won't have any rights left to stand up for.

People need to know now that vaping is nothing to fear.... We need the support of an informed society against the FDA

Sent from the ether using the power of my mind... and the Tapatalk app.

 

[xanderxman]

"Too often, people are erroneously motivated to fight for personal rights that inherently tread on the rights of their brothers."

Can I add that to my sig?

 

[CowDog]

In a few years, we won't have any rights left to stand up for.

People need to know now that vaping is nothing to fear.... We need the support of an informed society against the FDA

Sent from the ether using the power of my mind... and the Tapatalk app.

Fair enough, but provoking fights accomplishes nothing.

 

[StereoDreamer]

Vaping is included in the smoking ban here. It's against the law to vape in any public building with the exception of a vape shop (defind as 75% of their income is derived through the sale of e-cig related products)

If the fascists in Salt Lake City had their way, I'd imagine drinking caffeine, drinking "hot drinks", eating large steaks, drinking any sort of alcohol, and not wearing magical underwear would all be banned in public venues too...

 

[xanderxman]

In a few years, we won't have any rights left to stand up for.

People need to know now that vaping is nothing to fear.... We need the support of an informed society against the FDA

Sent from the ether using the power of my mind... and the Tapatalk app.

And we do need to send the message that vaping is nothing to fear. But I imagine that leaving glasses full of vapor for some unsuspecting busboy to clean up doesn't help the cause. There is a right and wrong way to do anything.

If we want people to accept vaping we need to make it acceptable, not shove it in their faces.

 

[MF DOOM]

Fair enough, but provoking fights accomplishes nothing.

Nice heeler.

 

[Aword]

Baditude wow I would love to have that tank with a frog on it how do I find one?