Got stopped by plainsclothes NYPD detective for Ego-C Twist 650

[ClippinWings]

CW, I think you're misunderstanding my point. In my limited vaping experience most resteraunt owners down here do not want people vaping in their establishment. It is a matter of private property rights. Also, I go to those places to sit down and enjoy a meal. I choose to not vape, not because its "hurr just like smoking", rather I choose to not vape there because I do not wish to be hassled while I'm trying to eat.

Also it is my estimation that it common courtesy to the other patrons that they may not wish to smell whatever I happen to be vaping that day. Mrs. Katz for example doesn't like the room note of the Cowboy juice I happen to like, even though she does like the Papa Smurf juice. However, someone else might be the opposite.

Now if we are talking about my establishment, sure vape away, I don't care. Again it is a matter of two issues here. First, me not wishing to be hassled and vise versa me not hassling others. Second private property rights.

I know of a couple posters here have said that the police cannot remove you from an establishment from vaping, however, they are very much wrong on that matter. They can, and they will. A restaurant is private property and if the owner of the establishment wants you removed you have become a trespasser. Thats just the way things are.

ETA: And for the record while I'm out in the street, I vape openly. And I dare anyone to give me .... about it.

You missed my point.

A smoking ban is not a vaping ban.

Not vaping because smoking is banned is the same as not eating ketchup because smoking is banned. One has no bearing on the other.

I absolutely understand a business owner's right to dictate what I can and cannot do...

However, the law, currently does not.


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[ClippinWings]

There is one, at least, city in Colorado that passed a law that you can not drive or be in a car with a cigarette if there are children in the car, so you know you will get stopped there.

There are some places that you can not smoke in public places, those places I would not try to vape at either, you are just asking to be questioned. My reason being is that if a smoker saw you getting away with vaping he might think you are actually smoking and he/she would light up.

I'm not responsible for a smoker violating such laws anymore than I am responsible for the sun rising.

If a smoker is too stupid to obey the law, that's on him...

Me, I'll vape in those places... And if stopped by the police, would laugh all the way to the bank.

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[Cool_K]

There are devices similar to ego twist style batts that are used for...

I did a quick search and indeed there are a few companies that ACTUALLY use Twists (advertised as 650mah) and VERY similar clearos that we use.

Glad to see the thread still going.

 

[Ikeprof]

I think the thing that bummed me out about this whole thread (and others that I have read over the past few months) is the disparity between what I perceive as the "mental" perspective of an LEO and reality.

I am a US military veteran, not a young man anymore, a libertarian by all rights actually, yet HUGELY naive when it comes to what I think the role...

actually it doesn't matter.

It's funny. It's almost stereotypical that as people age, you hear them say phrases such as "this country's going to hell in a handbasket" or something to that effect.

It's a statement that has been uttered by probably every generation since we have had the ability to communicate via verbal means.

I find myself saying it all the time and my own father whom is still alive due to good diet and healthy living in the UP of Michigan, is probably dismayed at my cynical view of the world.

The video that was linked in this thread was enlightening. I do need to research 'how" to gently phrase my lack of self-incrimination to make it more palatable when I do choose to not answer questions.

I just wish I didn't have to go that route.

 

[arenoken]

I've never been stopped by a law enforcement officer, but a few firemen had freaked out as I was chainvaping at the store I worked in at the time. I'm not one to eschew societal rules too much, so I tend not to vape in blatantly marked no-smoking areas. As far as looks and questions? bugger 'em. I'm happy to answer any question politely, and calmly, and offer advice... That said? I have my Zmax with a genny clone on it, most people are probably more afraid i'd hit them with it, then exhale something.

 

[Abe_Katz]

You missed my point.

A smoking ban is not a vaping ban.

Not vaping because smoking is banned is the same as not eating ketchup because smoking is banned. One has no bearing on the other.

I absolutely understand a business owner's right to dictate what I can and cannot do...

However, the law, currently does not.


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Actually no I didn't miss your point. I understood it perfectly. Perhaps I disagree with you about how to handle the situation. I personally do not invite confrontation, and as such take what I feel are common sense measures to avoid it. Hence why I generally (there will be exceptions) do not vape in private businesses.

Examples of exceptions, the local vape shop, everyone who comes in there either vapes or is thinking about taking up vaping (be that to quit the cancer sticks, or to cut down on them). Another example would be my place of work where I discussed the issue with the General Manager. She told me she had no problem with it provided I did not vape in the food storage areas or on the line. As we don't know how the Health Department (and to a lesser extent Corporate) would react if they saw someone vaping in those areas. (Which I agree with her is a common sense precaution.)

Out and about in my car or walking the street I vape openly.

 

[weaseman]

I wouldn't hesitate at all. I have a good friend who dates a police officer. I saw them yesterday & told him about the strange looks I get when I'm vaping in my car or outside. Unfortunately most people I know & see use ecig lookalikes so when I pulled out my twist with my nova he said...'I would definitely stop you if I saw you with that thing & I didn't know you.' After that we talked a lot about the different ecigs that are available, what they look like etc... He just also happens to do a lot of the education for his department so I gave him the info to visit ECF & get more info. So heck no!! Use your ecig wherever you like!! If you get the chance educate them so that there's not so much ignorance regarding the topic!

Vape On!!

Thats right educate them they in turn may want to kick the habit of have a friend our love one they could help out.

 

[tj99959]

I was in the local vape shop a while back and the lady standing in line behind me was a local NARC puffing away on an iTaste MVP. Guess we're safe here.

 

[ClippinWings]

Actually no I didn't miss your point. I understood it perfectly. Perhaps I disagree with you about how to handle the situation. I personally do not invite confrontation, and as such take what I feel are common sense measures to avoid it. Hence why I generally (there will be exceptions) do not vape in private businesses.

Examples of exceptions, the local vape shop, everyone who comes in there either vapes or is thinking about taking up vaping (be that to quit the cancer sticks, or to cut down on them). Another example would be my place of work where I discussed the issue with the General Manager. She told me she had no problem with it provided I did not vape in the food storage areas or on the line. As we don't know how the Health Department (and to a lesser extent Corporate) would react if they saw someone vaping in those areas. (Which I agree with her is a common sense precaution.)

Out and about in my car or walking the street I vape openly.

Neither do I

But I generally don't vape in private businesses unless its allowed... but that's because it could causes a scene... not because there is a smoking ban.

You said:

in Florida smoking is banned in both bars and restaurants (and most other places too). So I don't vape in those places.

Meaning you choose where you vape based on smoking bans.

I'm not a smoker anymore... smoking bans don't apply to me.
Policies of property owners do... but those are not the same.

BTW most bars here in So Cal have no problem with vaping.

 

[SBlaire17]

I agree with Glasseye and Xanderxman. The more people see vaping in public the easier it will be for all of us. I hope this gets so big that the cigarette companies go broke.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I was in the local vape shop a while back and the lady standing in line behind me was a local NARC puffing away on an iTaste MVP. Guess we're safe here.

Was on the way to the cottage 6 months ago and got pulled over by the Provincial Police. Turns out he saw me vaping and immediately called another officer "to the scene". Within 5 mins had converted the 2nd officer and he's now 4 months smoke free. Have converted 4 of his fellow officers. They prefer stealth vape because the powers that be have deemed vaping a no no even if it isn't illegal. Yes I do carry extra kits in the car

 

[Rusty S.]

I read all seventeen pages of posts on this thread, and wanted to toss some thoughts in, because I love the sound of my own typing.

On the one hand, I think I can see why some folks are more stringent about vaping in public. There is a "neener-neener" factor, and people who have no issue with confrontation will no doubt have a great time giving the ANTZ a bit of blowback, especially when we were relegated to second-class citizens by them. I still have an issue about being vilified for smoking, because it's not illegal.

That said, I'd still side with the vapers who encourage graciousness and a spirit of public awareness. I haven't even gotten my package in the mail yet, but when I do, I plan to vape the same way I smoke: when I'm at home, I'll follow my own rules and vape wherever and whenever I want; however, when I'm out in public, I still intend to abide by society's rules. Making people uncomfortable or getting into a confrontation for confrontation's sake doesn't do vapers any good. I'd have no problem vaping outside, although I'd do it a discreet distance from the smokers, and if they ask about it, I'll be happy to tell them.

I think it's important to be considerate and law-abiding when you're out and about - that's the best way to win hearts and minds.

 

[tj99959]

Neither do I

But I generally don't vape in private businesses unless its allowed... but that's because it could causes a scene... not because there is a smoking ban.

You said:



Meaning you choose where you vape based on smoking bans.

I'm not a smoker anymore... smoking bans don't apply to me.
Policies of property owners do... but those are not the same.

BTW most bars here in So Cal have no problem with vaping.

Vaping is included in the smoking ban here. It's against the law to vape in any public building with the exception of a vape shop (defind as 75% of their income is derived through the sale of e-cig related products)

 

[theo3285]

Some just want to show off just because smoking is forbidden in public area. We have the same kind of dudes here in France. That's a bad behavior for all of us all over the world !

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Last Summer a neighbor at the cottage who's an officer told me when one of the local vape shops opened up shop the station received a written invite.

This is a BRILLIANT idea. Maybe local Vaping Clubs could issue formal invitations to their local LEAs, or at least hand-deliver some CASAA literature to their local Chief of Police. Once they know about vaping, they have NO EXCUSE for further harassment, and any harassment after that is CLEARLY a civil rights violation...

 

[ClippinWings]

That said, I'd still side with the vapers who encourage graciousness and a spirit of public awareness. I haven't even gotten my package in the mail yet, but when I do, I plan to vape the same way I smoke: when I'm at home, I'll follow my own rules and vape wherever and whenever I want; however, when I'm out in public, I still intend to abide by society's rules. Making people uncomfortable or getting into a confrontation for confrontation's sake doesn't do vapers any good. I'd have no problem vaping outside, although I'd do it a discreet distance from the smokers, and if they ask about it, I'll be happy to tell them.

I think it's important to be considerate and law-abiding when you're out and about - that's the best way to win hearts and minds.

But that's the point... society has no rules for vaping.

I get having some decorum, not blowing big plumes of vapor in people faces... but going outside to the smoking area, because smoking is banned, is silly... going outside to vape, makes sense to avoid confrontation... but, I would suggest NOT going to the smoking section.

Associating what we do with smoking won't do anything but harm our cause

 

[ClippinWings]

Vaping is included in the smoking ban here. It's against the law to vape in any public building with the exception of a vape shop (defind as 75% of their income is derived through the sale of e-cig related products)

Then obey the law.

That law doesn't exist here... Just like we can go to the grocery store to buy alcohol
(something I believe requires a trip to a government store in Utah)

I've never suggested violating any law.

I just find it silly to apply laws to your self that don't pertain.

For instance... It's totally illegal to drive my car on the sidewalk... but I don't see that as a reason to stop me from riding a bike there.

 

[ClippinWings]

Some just want to show off just because smoking is forbidden in public area. We have the same kind of dudes here in France. That's a bad behavior for all of us all over the world !

Smoking is irrelevant.

That's like saying that people who drink tomato juice in public are showing off because "smoking is forbidden in public area".

Vaping IS NOT smoking

It's not "eSmoking"

I don't even use "e-Cigarettes".... I use a PV

And this is exactly the reason why.

Please people... STOP associating Vaping with smoking... you are hurting the cause.

 

[GunnyGlow]

There is one, at least, city in Colorado that passed a law that you can not drive or be in a car with a cigarette if there are children in the car, so you know you will get stopped there.

What city is that?
I ask just out of curiosity...

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[Vapoor eyes er]

We've got the same law
Smoke-Free Ontario: Smoking in Motor Vehicles

What city is that?
I ask just out of curiosity...

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