Green Smoke user, curious about other brands and compatibility of devices.

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Hello! I'm a recent Green Smoke adoptee. I can't say that I'm unsatisfied with Green Smoke at all, in fact I quite like everything so far. I have a feeling some of you may be shaking your heads thinking 'he doesn't know what he's missing', which is exactly why I'm here as I fully acknowledge that. I'm a little turned off about the cost to keep things going in terms of the cartomizer prices, etc. This got me Googling how to refill them which lead me here which lead to some discussion against Green Smoke and... well, that's my story.

What I'm wondering is... with Green Smoke, I have chargers, batteries, existing cartomizers, a case, etc. I got to wondering, do I even need to purchase a whole other kit from a different company? I surely could reuse something simple like the case, and it sounds like some brands are compatible with Green Smoke cartomizers, which would allow me to utilize what I already have. I would think (this is the IT side of me speaking) that pending that the power of the chargers is appropriate, it should charge an array of e-cigs without issue. That being said, I don't want to be naive as this is still a very new area for me.

Some searching through the forums has turned up the KR808D1 countless times. I found it on MyVaporStore for dirt cheap. I got to wondering, couldn't I just get one or two KR808D1 batteries, a refill kit for the carto's, and just utilize most of my existing Green Smoke gear? I don't want to zap anything into an unusable state, but I can't help but to think a good chunk of my existing Green Smoke kit just might be usable, allowing me to piece-buy certain new items from another vendor and live happily ever after.

What say you, fellas?

 

[AgentAnia]

Hi, roasted, and welcome to the forum. I'm new here too, and I think we may both be in a minority in liking the 808's, but like you, I'm happy with them and use them most of the time. You'll get tons of good advice from advanced members, so I'll just say that my understanding is that as long as the threading ("808" refers to the threading that allows connection between battery and cartridge or clearomizer) is the same, you can use equipment interchangeably. In addition, most vendors sell adaptors to allow you to connect a cart with one threading to a battery with different threading.

Also, by all means learn how to refill your existing cartridges or clearos! Hundreds, if not thousands, of different juices out there to experiment with, and it's much more economical (and fun!).

Vape on!

 

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Hey there, AgentAnia. In such a short time I'm already surprised at how extensive this forum is, so to say I feel confident now that I'm registered here is an understatement. Before I impulse buy anything else I'd rather ask and let it stew a bit to see what some other users may think. Some reading on the forums has brought up D1 and D2 discussions, which like you mentioned about the 808 seems to be the thread style. I found thread adapters for D1 and D2, which I assume is what is needed to adapt the GS carto's to the KR808D1, which I currently am eyeing up. On one hand, I'm not sure I even want to go the adapter route, as I'm sure I'd be happy using the GS battery to burn through the rest of the GS carto's I have. What I'm most concerned about is the chargers with what I can charge and what I can't charge. If I can re-use the chargers I have, along with the case, and just use the GS battery with the GS cartos to expire them, I'd be set.

My only concern in regard to this threading discussion is the fact that the GS charger threads into the USB adapter, so part of me thinks that in particular might be a bust. That being said, I have countless wall adapters for USB ports, so perhaps I can pick up a battery, a compatible USB cable, and whatever carto refillable kits are recommended and go to town.

If anybody is super familiar with the KR808D1 as well as the Green Smoke kit and could offer some insight with what works and what doesn't I'd be super appreciative. Or, if there's something better out there than the KR808D1, I'm all ears there too.

 

[AgentAnia]

The question of chargers has been kind of lurking in the back of my mind too, though until now I've only used V2 batteries, with V2 chargers, and bought a new compatible charger for my eGo-C. Hopefully you'll get some answers here about interchanging chargers and batteries from different manufacturers, and I'll be hoping for an answer too!

 

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Despite my curiosity in regard to charger compatibility, I've found the chargers are actually quite cheap. For 9 bucks in my cart I have a two piece charger sitting there... the actual AC adapter with the female USB port and the "flash drive" looking adapter which the KR808D1 threads onto. That removes a degree of concern I originally had with curbing costs, but I surely would be interested in trying the GS chargers if I do end up ordering this gizmo.

The only gray area I have to iron out yet is which fluid to get...

EDIT - Well, I scoped out a few options. Originally I was just going to piece-buy everything, but the way it stands now, I think I'm set to get the KR808D1 starter kit. Reason being this is 30 bucks and comes with two batteries, charger, and all of that other jazz. Considering the price it's hard to be miffed at the fact that I wouldn't be re-using any of the Green Smoke gear. I also might consider getting a pack of 5 empty cartomizers and a bottle of menthol eLiquid. I'm a little unsure just how much eLiquid I should get. I'm trying to find equivalencies so I can understand how much a 30 ml bottle would go in terms of # of cartomizers it would fill (and then go from there to understand how many cartomizers I might burn through in a week/month/whatever).

 

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Well, I caved. I was going to wait for more responses but the kr808d1 seemed to get great reviews. I ordered one today along with some eliquid. Came out to 50 bucks but we'll see how things play out. Anxious to get it. I'll post back with what works and what doesn't with green smoke after I receive it.

 

[my4jewels]

The KR808D-2 is compatible with Greensmoke. When I first started vaping, I started with GS also, and this is where I found some extra stuff at good prices. You can also buy batteries and refillable cartos here. Tulsa Oklahoma Electronic Cigarettes Supplies

 

[AgentAnia]

Hey roasted, I'm baaaack... IMO, starter kits are usually a good bargain, as long as you can use most of the items they include. But don't, repeat don't, discard your GS stuff. First rule of vaping: Always have a backup. Second rule of vaping: Always have a backup for your backup.

Regarding equivalencies for e-liquid, I believe the rule of thumb is that a blank carto will hold more or less 1 ml of juice. As to how many cartos you might burn through in any given time, that's going to depend on your vaping technique and habits. My suggestion is to just vape away and keep track of how much juice you're going through per day. That way you'll know how much to keep on hand. In my case, I used to smoke 2 PAD and now vape the equivalent of about 3-4 cartos a day. YMMV. (A wise vaper once told me, the only vaping rules are those you set for yourself. Fun, eh? We get the joy of vaping, plus we get to make up the rules!!!)

I heartily second my4jewels's vendor recommendation. I order from them often and have always been very satisfied with their products and customer service. They have a good selection of stuff for the 808's. They also answer email queries promptly.

Hope this helps.

 

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Man, at 3 to 4 a day you're definitely saving some cash by refilling on your own. That's what intrigued me to look beyond Green Smoke anyway. I have no intentions of getting rid of the Green Smoke. In fact, I like the Green Smoke a lot. I have a feeling it'll still be heavily used even when the KR808D1 arrives. If I can manage to refill the GS cartomizers, that is, which I'm hoping I might find a way to have them halfway usable.

Knowing that 1 ml per carto is average is an excellent, excellent point of measuring things out, as I had no idea before. For all I knew, 10 ml could have been per carto and I wouldn't have noticed the difference. I understand that how many cartos you need is entirely dependent on your vaping habits, but not knowing how much eLiquid went into each carto left me in a huge, huge cloud of confusion. This helps tremendously.

In other news, I received shipping notification that my KR808D1 shipped. I ordered 2-3 day shipping through USPS, who's tracking info is worthless. On the flip side, it shipped out of Manhattan - 2 hours away. Happy dance.

 

[AgentAnia]

Refilling cartos is easy! I haven't check on this forum, but know there are plenty of videos to demonstrate how it's done, which you may already have seen.

Here's a link to an adapter that will let you use your new KR808D1 carts (which is what V2 carts are) on the GS batteries: E-Cig Universal Adapters | V2 Cigs. I'm sure there are also adapters that will let you use GS carts with 808 batteries.

Now you are a full-fledged member of the "Waiting for Vapemail" club!

 

[Ref Minor]

There is nothing wrong with GS but the price. Cig like amount of throat hit and vapour. I don't begrudge the cash I outlaid to them for my starter kit, I lend it out to people who want to try an ecig and use it as an emergency back up.

From GS I moved to a 510-T which is great for work where it is nice to have a cig sized option. The running costs are about 25% of the GS.

 

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Refilling cartos is easy! I haven't check on this forum, but know there are plenty of videos to demonstrate how it's done, which you may already have seen.

Here's a link to an adapter that will let you use your new KR808D1 carts (which is what V2 carts are) on the GS batteries: E-Cig Universal Adapters | V2 Cigs. I'm sure there are also adapters that will let you use GS carts with 808 batteries.

Now you are a full-fledged member of the "Waiting for Vapemail" club!

Hahah - I hear you there. I was SUPER anxious about the Green Smoke. Thankfully I have it already and plenty of existing carto's to hold me over until the KR808D1 lands, but with being so close to the shipping location I'm confident I'll have it by the weekend.

As long as I have it by next weekend... going camping then... which has been my traditional "kill two packs in a night" tradition. This year should be different. Wooo!

Fun fact: As I typed this I killed yet another cartomizer. Dang I can't wait until I have a refillable solution.

 

[AgentAnia]

Do you go camping alot? If so, you might want to think about getting a PCC (personal charging case) that, once the case is charged, will allow you to recharge batteries n number of times (depending on mAh's of battery and PCC) when you don't have access to an electrical outlet. A solar charger is another option, though I don't know from experience how effective they are, have heard pros and cons about them.

Ref Minor, good to know about the eGo-T running costs. I do know that my eGo-C battery lasts about 4 times as long as the 808's. Both have their place in my vaping world.

 

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Do you go camping alot? If so, you might want to think about getting a PCC (personal charging case) that, once the case is charged, will allow you to recharge batteries n number of times (depending on mAh's of battery and PCC) when you don't have access to an electrical outlet. A solar charger is another option, though I don't know from experience how effective they are, have heard pros and cons about them.

Ref Minor, good to know about the eGo-T running costs. I do know that my eGo-C battery lasts about 4 times as long as the 808's. Both have their place in my vaping world.

I've thought about it, but I'm not entirely sure it'll be necessary in my case. We go camping where there are some woodlands almost right next to the beach (5 minute walk away), so it's kind of a camping/beach trip rolled into one. We drive right up to our camp site, so my vehicle is right there. Since the van (vehicle I'm taking) has a 12v outlet that stays on 24/7 even if the vehicle is off I can effectively the items there, which is likely what I'll do in this case. My car on the other hand shuts off the 12v outlet unless the ignition is on, which is kind of meh. I'll look into it in the future since they would be super convenient, but for now I'm always surrounded by USB ports (I work in IT) so I'm sure I can manage for the most part otherwise.

EDIT - Question about batteries. I looked up the eGo-C but it looks like it's 510. Is there any sort of extended battery available for the 808? Just trying to shop around so I know what's available...

 

[AgentAnia]

Check Smokeless Image | Only The Best Electronic Cigarette | Smokeless Image Electronic Cigarettes - The Future is in your hands. All their stuff is 808 threaded and they do have some bigger capacity batteries. I checked the GS site and the only specs on their batteries is "long" and "short." Not very helpful. Check the V2 site (v2cigs.com) under batteries and it will give you mAh (milliamp hours or some such) and an estimate of how many "puffs" you can expect from each size. And, last but not least, there's always Google! Hope this helps.

 

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Check Smokeless Image | Only The Best Electronic Cigarette | Smokeless Image Electronic Cigarettes - The Future is in your hands. All their stuff is 808 threaded and they do have some bigger capacity batteries. I checked the GS site and the only specs on their batteries is "long" and "short." Not very helpful. Check the V2 site (v2cigs.com) under batteries and it will give you mAh (milliamp hours or some such) and an estimate of how many "puffs" you can expect from each size. And, last but not least, there's always Google! Hope this helps.

Ironically enough, I had to Google "green smoke mah" to dig up the results. Turns out it's on their FAQ page. I quoted it below:

How long do the batteries last? And how long does it take for them to charge?
Our long battery (270 mAh/4.6 inches) lasts for approximately 400 puffs per charge. This is equivalent to about 33 cigarettes (with one cigarette being roughly equivalent to 12 puffs). The short battery (160 mAh/4.0 inches) lasts for approximately 300 puffs per charge which is the equivalent of about 25 cigarettes. On average, the long battery takes 5 to 6 hours to recharge, and the short battery takes 4 to 5 hours to recharge. The lifespan of the batteries is approximately 400 charges (around one year worth of use). (*Over time all lithium ion batteries lose some of their charging capacity. These numbers are for a fully optimized battery.)

Sounds like the KR808D1 is more equivalent to the long battery from GS. At the current time I'm getting about 1 cart per charge. With two e-cigs, I find this acceptable for my uses as I just interchange any time I burn through a battery. That said, some longer capacity batteries would surely be welcomed. I'll see what I can find on the link you provided - thanks!

 

[NotoriousJDP]

Try themagicmist.com. These guys specialize in making parts compatible with just about all types of e-cigs, and they are cheap.

 

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Thanks for that insight. I surely will. Curiosity is getting the best of me... Are 510 threads some sort of standard, or the most common or something? Or does it just happen to be that the sites I've frequented up until now are primarily 510 driven with 808 being a runner up? I feel like I see a truckload of 501 accessories, and an adequate, but not exactly parallel number of 808s in comparison to 501.

 

[AgentAnia]

Interesting figures from GS. According to V2, their "standard" battery, 250 mAh, equals 200+ puffs, and the XL battery, 380 mAh, equals 300+ puffs. A fairly large difference... Perhaps GS "puffers" are more delicate about it than us hearty V2 puffers!

And I meant to mention earlier, I've been told it will prolong the life of your batteries if you recharge them before they run completely down. I can't swear to this as I haven't had my batteries long enough, but thought I'd pass the advice on. (Same holds true for carts, if you top them up often by adding a few drops of juice when the top filler looks dry, rather than vaping them down to empty, which risks burning the wick.) (You do know, right, that you can refill the prefilled carts that come with the starter kit? No offense intended if I'm covering what you already know, just trying to hit the high points to be sure... )

 

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Interesting figures from GS. According to V2, their "standard" battery, 250 mAh, equals 200+ puffs, and the XL battery, 380 mAh, equals 300+ puffs. A fairly large difference... Perhaps GS "puffers" are more delicate about it than us hearty V2 puffers!

And I meant to mention earlier, I've been told it will prolong the life of your batteries if you recharge them before they run completely down. I can't swear to this as I haven't had my batteries long enough, but thought I'd pass the advice on. (Same holds true for carts, if you top them up often by adding a few drops of juice when the top filler looks dry, rather than vaping them down to empty, which risks burning the wick.) (You do know, right, that you can refill the prefilled carts that come with the starter kit? No offense intended if I'm covering what you already know, just trying to hit the high points to be sure... )

I figured I could refill them, I just wasn't sure how easy it would be in comparison to others that are supposedly made to be refilled. At any rate, I was going to try it, I just prepared myself mentally to brush it off if it turns out bad.

In regard to batteries, the first time I see it flash is when I stop using it, charge it, and switch to another. I'm a little unaware of how to tell whether the cart is getting low or not. I just kind of judge it by a weaker puff. It's easy to tell now that I've burned through 4 or 5 carts now where the actual end point is, so that's kind of how I judge it. I have no juice currently to try and refill them. I just checked USPS tracking and they did the impossible and updated tracking. I should be getting my stuff on Saturday. Happy dance. I think I'll need to rip apart one of these carts to get an idea of what you mean, as I have no idea how to visibly tell when it's low or not. Like I said, I just kind of gauge it as logically as possible based on puff strength.