Green Smoke user, curious about other brands and compatibility of devices.

[NotoriousJDP]

I think that 510 is becoming the new standard.

 

[roasted]

I think that 510 is becoming the new standard.

Go figure. 808 coming in 48 hours and I'm already behind the times.

 

[Proverb31]

What I'm wondering is... with Green Smoke, I have chargers, batteries, existing cartomizers, a case, etc. I got to wondering, do I even need to purchase a whole other kit from a different company?

Hi Roasted,

I'm newly registered here as well, in fact this is my first post. I too like greensmoke, but I started with my smokless and then ordered some greensmoke cartridges and batteries. I have used the my smokelss usb chargers and wall adapter with no problems.

I also use a ego, and of course that required a different charger because it uses what they call a 510/ego thread. I've tried refilling the cartos and it isn't difficult, but I think it doesn't taste as good or produce as much vapor. The cartomizers are filled in China and come with Chinese juice, but I recently discovered that the juice in prefilled cartomizers is specially formulated to work in 808 cartomizers and regular juice or eliquid is formulated to work well in most other atomizers or cartomizers. Hangsen is a major manufacturer of eliquid in china and they make a refill eliquid specifically designed to refill 808 cartomizers. I haven't tried it yet, and I haven't found a local supplier, but I am in the process of ordering a sample from the manufacturer. I let you know how it works when I get it.

I met a local man at a little cell phone shop that sells ejuice and he said he had been refilling his greensmoke cartos for two years. He said he bought a new five pack about every three weeks and used a 10ml bottle a week to refill them.

 

[Nukified]

While 510 does seem to be the most offered threading style, there are those of us who still prefer the 808. Anyway, you can always grab an adapter for a few bucks so you can use the 510 threaded carts/tanks/clearos.

 

[AgentAnia]

I think I'll need to rip apart one of these carts to get an idea of what you mean, as I have no idea how to visibly tell when it's low or not. Like I said, I just kind of gauge it as logically as possible based on puff strength.

Same procedure for either blanks or prefilled carts. Just pry off the endcap (I use a tiny allen wrench in the center hole. Straightened paperclip or small nail works too), and you'll see the filler and whether it looks saturated or dry. (Here's another suggestion to consider for the future: replacing the endcap with a drip tip makes it much easier and quicker for refilling.)

Over months, I've come to get a feel for when the cart needs topping up (gradual loss of flavor, less vapor) and when the battery is running low (harder pull, also less vapor production). You'll get the hang of it in time!

As far as the 510 devices go, it does seem to be a standard, at least there certainly is more of a choice with 510's than with 808's. Remember, though, there's no one "best" device, just like there are no absolute rules to vaping. It's all about what works for you and keeps you vaping!

 

[roasted]

So I'm watching some reviews on automatic vs manual e-cigs. I thought the manual ones you press the button to activate it, as in, press, release, and smoke fine. But one review said (for the Joye 510 in particular) said you need to press and hold the button to draw. Is that the case? I thought for sure that seemed strange, and if anything, a real pain in the rear... But I suppose everybody has different preferences.

 

[Nukified]

For manual, you hold the button to activate the heating element. This is helpful for a "fuller" draw because the liquid is heating before you're pulling in the vapor. I still like my automatic for ease, but manual certainly has its benefits.

 

[roasted]

For manual, you hold the button to activate the heating element. This is helpful for a "fuller" draw because the liquid is heating before you're pulling in the vapor. I still like my automatic for ease, but manual certainly has its benefits.

I have to admit, the manual is a huge turn off for me. I can see where some users would like it, so I'm not trying to suggest that it's bad in any way. For ME, I'm just glad that I didn't purchase one now that I understand you have to hold it in order to activate the thing. Maybe it's my more casual "smoking" style, I don't know... I just wouldn't want to be attached to a button to activate it. Now if I would have to hit a button to turn the thing on and that's entirely it, I can hands-free vape on it once I press it a single time, I'd be all in. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

The only other +1 I keep hearing about is that manuals are sealed, so you don't have a risk of damaging the inside or something like that. I'm not sure I understand this. Is this only during the refill period? Or is this to say that I can't lay the automatic e-cig a certain way or I'd risk damaging it?

Anybody got a recommendation for a solid 501 automatic? I'd like to consider all of my options despite the incoming 808.

 

[Nukified]

There are some sealed automatics out there like the Volt (808 threading) I bought from SI. Liquid can drop onto the battery (during use or while in a case, gravity is like that) if they aren't sealed, but some sealed automatics may be harder to draw. I think the draw is about the same between my V2 unsealed and Volt sealed, but ideally, unsealed should be easier.

 

[AgentAnia]

As my pappy used to say, isn't it a wonderful world where there's something for everyone; what a dull world it would be if there was only one of everything, same for everybody? I use both auto and manual batteries, but manuals more so, to the point where lately I find myself trying to change the channel with the battery button! Again, it's all a matter of preference.

It's auto batteries that are sealed (as far as I know). Damage to an unsealed battery would come if your cart leaks out the bottom and into the battery hole. Never happened to me, so I don't know if that would result in dramatic sparking, shorting, and general electrical mayhem or if the battery would simply sizzle and die. Just be careful when you refill not to get any juice down the center post (which you'll see when you uncap your cart). I stick a toothpick into the center post to plug it while refiling, then blow gently to get all possible juice out, wipe the threaded bottom of the cart, and I'm good to go. (Come to think about it, these batteries are pretty hardy. I've had tiny droplets of juice accumulate on the top of manual batteries without incidence. I just wipe them off when changing carts.) And you can position a battery/cart setup any which way you want! Upside down, sideways, stuck behind your ear, hanging from the bedpost... (Though I'd say be careful if it's in your back pocket and you sit down... you know, longitudinal stress... or something like that... I think my brain just went on break...)

I don't know if there are any 510 automatics; don't recall seeing any but I'll keep my eye out for one. Does anyone else here know of any auto 510's?

EDIT: I just googled "510 automatic battery," got references to SmokTech and Joye (two major manufacturers), and several references to ECF threads! Suggest you do a search here and check those threads out.

 

[roasted]

I guess I'm still not entrenched enough in this arena to really understand how certain things like this operate. Some of the refill tutorials I saw suggested that when filling, it's supposed to soak the cotton inside, but not sit in a wet sopping pool on top of it. I guess as long as the cotton is saturated, but not drenched, that is the ideal way to go for battery safety so it doesn't drip into wherever it shouldn't go and ruin it. Some of the discussions I dug up on the forum just made it sound like each time you work with an automatic you're basically taking a risk to fry it, as in, it should be almost expected to fail. Perhaps this was from some hardcore manual fans, I don't know, but part of me wonders if I got the wrong impression or if it's indeed a compelling enough reason to tolerate the button pressing of the manuals. Eh...

 

[AgentAnia]

I have a big, very understanding, smile on my face right now, roasted. I urge you to take a deep breath, and chill for a while. In a way, I think I was lucky that I hadn't found ECF yet when I started vaping, and hadn't done too much research online either, so it wasn't quite as overwhelming as it would have been if I'd read some of the info here first. I urge you not to try to learn everything at once, or in advance. Wait for your 808's and juice to arrive. You'll have backups at that point. Take a cart, open it, check it out, try dripping some juice into it, see what happens. You'll do fine!

 

[roasted]

Haha, yeah I don't doubt that. I'm just trying to grasp a few simple key points. It seems as if the Joye 510 is only available in manual. Makes me question the availability of automatic 510s from other manufacturers since all I've seen so far is Joye. Based on the button premise alone I don't think that relationship would last but never know I suppose. Plus the reason I bring up the battery and automatic thing is because I don't want to fry my new 808s when they get here They come in blanks so filling immediately is inevitable, while frying immediately is clearly something to avoid. On to YouTube!

 

[AgentAnia]

You might want to start with PBusardo's into to vaping: A PBusardo Video - Beginners Guide to E-Cigs and E-Cig Tech - YouTube. And now I bid you goodnight and sweet dreams!

 

[Koma]

Been searching the www for protank base replacement,
Seems no one has them in stock. what gives.
Anyone else looking and found them. please point me in the right direction.

 

[roasted]

You might want to start with PBusardo's into to vaping: A PBusardo Video - Beginners Guide to E-Cigs and E-Cig Tech - YouTube. And now I bid you goodnight and sweet dreams!

That video was very informative. Thanks for that! I'm still trying to scope out what kind of auto 510's there are in the wild. Any time I Google for anything 510 related, the Joye comes up, with is manual... Maybe I'm just not finding the right sites yet.

EDIT - I found this thread in the search that highlighted some of the differences with the 808 and 510. It sounds like, based on what I gathered, 808s were typically better with battery life in terms of analog sized e-cigs. Some sources, like this blog post, indicated the analog sized 510's were actually pretty bad. Sounds like the 510's have caught up somewhat, but that the 808's still reign king in the analog-sized arena. 510's sound like they're more popular due to the modding arena, but some users indicated that a lot of mods seem to hit the 808's eventually as well.

(That being said, this 510 Auto seems to pack a nice mAh)

Overall, as somebody who wants an analog sized device with the best battery life possible given the size, along with the convenience of the automatic functionality and the two piece system with the cartomizer, it sounds like the 808 is the winner. I may try a 510 someday if I get more into this, which I don't doubt that I will. I can definitely see myself with some massive Terminator-esque looking e-cig for my late night deck outings when I'm doing some work on the laptop. But for now, what I have from Green Smoke feels like it's the most convenient in terms of size and acceptable battery life. I personally don't want to be puffing on a hot dog sized e-cig when I'm on the go, so I feel more confident that the KR808D1 was the better choice for what I'm after. We'll see when tomorrow lands, though.

 

[AgentAnia]

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