H1N1 (Swine Flu) and e-cigs?

[housewife]

Ok, I'm not trying to come off as alarmist in this, but I've been reading more and more about this swine flue thats starting to spread. Everything I read about preparing your body to fight off a flu should you become exposed/infected agree that you should definately not smoke, as it makes you more susceptible to respiratory infections. Does anyone know how much e-smoking might contribute to decreasing respiratory imunity?

Also, something I've always wondered about, is the moisture from the e-cig in the lungs. Getting pnumonia on top of the flu is definitely not desireable; does anyone think vaping might make this risk any more likely?

Anyway, I hope all is well, but the more I read about this situation, the worse its starting to look. If anyone wants some more info on this potential pandemic, heres a couple links:

Mexico Says as Many as 68 Deaths Tied to Flu Outbreak

Deadly new flu virus in US and Mexico may go pandemic

Most Mexico fatal flu victims aged between 25-45

 

[Kate]

Propylene glycol might help to kill the flu germs - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/1734-germ-killing-vapor.html

 

[Caesarea]

(snip)how much e-smoking might contribute to decreasing respiratory immunity?
(snip)

Other way round I think, housewife,

- I am mightily relieved not to be smoking ordinary cigarettes any more...

C

 

[housewife]

Wow, fascinating info Kate, that pretty much put all of my worries to rest!

Other way round I think, housewife,

- I am mightily relieved not to be smoking ordinary cigarettes any more...

C

I agree with you there Caesarea, I no doubt belive its better, I was just on a paranoid kick, reading up on all kinds of "optimal" precautions to take to prevent infection.

 

[Caesarea]

Which is why I am so angry for my friends in other countries who are being denied the option.

 

[katink]

It would be a good idea to keep the halls on the airfields dosed with PG... might kill it off before spreading into the country (and perhaps also at road-borders, spray the cars coming through).

 

[TropicalBob]

When the original research on PG's germ-killing capabilities was done in the early 1940s, no one could have envisioned a small, personal vaporizer that looked something like a cigarette. The original research centered on filling entire rooms with propylene glycol vapor, to prevent a pandemic like the 1918 one (more soldiers died from flu than from combat).

But technology has brought us a personal PG-delivery device. We can saturate our lungs with PG vapor in a way not even Jules Verne could have foreseen back then. We can thus kill susceptible germs with every inhalation of our needed nicotine carried in PG vapor.

H1N1 can migrate as airborne or via contact. E-smoking might prove protective against an airborne contagion, and hand-washing can help prevent contact spread. In the frantic search now to prevent yet another global pandemic, wouldn't it be nice if just one laboratory could test PG vapor on a Petri dish of H1N1 germs?

We might hold an answer to a pandemic between our fingers. And we might be find a guaranteed way to gain acceptance of e-smoking with the its PG protections.

I'm ready. I have Tamiflu in the refrigerator and a Janty Kissbox in my right hand! Cheers to a long life, fellow e-smokers!

 

[taz3cat]

TB, It is going to be more like in 5 years, some one will write a paper on how all the people could have been save from the flu in 2009 by using PG. evey rone will be amazed that a fog machine could save lives.

 

[esmok-e]

Fate works in strange ways. Perhaps it's time... To me, this connects the dots between us and Big Pharm and Tobacco. The leitmotif is striking. Life and Death (PG and H1N1) (e-cigs and tobacco cigs). Right on Page 1. If PG does kill H1N1 it's a cosmic slap in Big Pharm's face. (What have they done since the 40's but sit on this?). Same thing with Big T, what have they done since the 40's - how many people died? Perhaps the chickens are coming home to roost (vape).

 

[katink]

Fate does work in strange ways... couldn't we help fate a bit perhaps (sending a link with the original article or study to lets say a mexican lab, or a smaller less in government entangled us-lab)?

 

[esmok-e]

Fate does work in strange ways... couldn't we help fate a bit perhaps (sending a link with the original article or study to lets say a mexican lab, or a smaller less in government entangled us-lab)?

Who? We ignorant vaping ......? What? We're brighter than the vapid bungling bureaucrats? Why should they let well established facts interfere with streamlining the population? This one they could blame on Nature's pigs and swine. But there are even more dangerous pigs and swine, as we all know...

 

[TropicalBob]

couldn't we help fate a bit perhaps (sending a link with the original article or study to lets say a mexican lab,

Katink, I thought EXACTLY THE SAME THING. The problem in America today is the same as it was in 1940 -- there is no money for Big Pharma if PG is the solution. Big Pharma needs to sell expensive drugs. Maybe the Mexican government would be open to a possible solution that didn't come as a $70 bottle of 10 pills.

 

[Demiurge]

Well scratch the whole "PG can help protect you from the flu" thing (at least for me anyway ymmv). I've had the nastiest flu I've had in my life for the past 2 days. Vaping feels terrible, worse than analogs.

 

[esmok-e]

Well scratch the whole "PG can help protect you from the flu" thing (at least for me anyway ymmv). I've had the nastiest flu I've had in my life for the past 2 days. Vaping feels terrible, worse than analogs.

That's the pesky flu microbes going out with a fight. Downright PuGilistic.

 

[TropicalBob]

There is no protection with PG against a rhinovirus, which is what I had not long ago, and is what many people incorrectly call "the flu". It's not. You get the flu? You'll know it, and you won't be posting on forums a day or two after onset. You will find the specific protections is the "germ-killing vapor" thread.

 

[taz3cat]

I had that asian flu in 1957 and it laid me out for 5 days, I have not had the flu since. If you get the flu your going to be too sick to vape or anything else.

 

[Demiurge]

There is no protection with PG against a rhinovirus, which is what I had not long ago, and is what many people incorrectly call "the flu". It's not. You get the flu? You'll know it, and you won't be posting on forums a day or two after onset. You will find the specific protections is the "germ-killing vapor" thread

While I'm sure you have the best intentions, I'm 32 y/o, been sick with plenty of colds, flu's and even a parasite or two in Iraq. This is without a doubt, a flu. Feverish, larthargic, achy muscles/joints, dizzy and sore throat. I've been bed ridden for the past 40 or so hours.I am posting this out of a mental need to actually get out of bed and do something other than nurse my sickness with bedrest.

"rhinovirus" or "common cold" as most would recognize it, feels very different from what I have. While I appreciate your input, your attempt to "cyber-diagnose" me is both un-wanted and unnecessary. No offense.

I'm simply letting the community know.. Nothing can take the place of a flu shot (this year marks the first flu shot I've missed in about 8 years). Don't be misled by hyper advocates into thinking this can provide you some type of protection against influenza. I've been vaping pretty heavily for about 20 days, and it didn't help me. I love the e-cig as much as the next guy, but let's not get crazy here with wild claims.

 

[TropicalBob]

I'm not offended, I just don't believe you have influenza.

There are 300 or more rhinoviruses. Some are pretty nasty. Get this straight: PG protection against influenza is not a wild claim. Read the entire scientific papers linked from the germ-killing vapor thread, and then tell us those researchers are crazy. Also note the "wild" photos at the end of the paper showing the results.

 

[doc g]

Based on my brief research of pg, I have found no evidence that it has any antiviral qualities.
It is used in numerous antiviral preparations merely as a permeation enhancer,(to aid in percutaneous absorbtion).
Pg does have antibacterial, antidermaphytical & anticandidal qualities.
I would have posted links to where I found all this information but I can't because I'm a (54 year old) ECF newbie.
Of course you can find all this information and more if you google search
"propylene glycol antiviral"

 

[Demiurge]

I'm not offended, I just don't believe you have influenza.

Wow..

..just wow

While I understand your desire to "want to believe", don't let that desire blind you from good common sense. And for the love of god, unless you have a PhD please don't diagnose people's illnesses online, in a forum, where you are missing a litany of details. God forbid you mislead someone else into not seeking needed medical treatment.