Halo Freedom/Smooth/Torque recipes???

[Aheadatime]

Where's the fun in not trying. I worked on prime for such a long time and for me I came up with a clone that was so close it started a whole wave of prime cloners. Then I went further and turned it into something even better as far as my taste goes. It's still my #1 go to ADV. If I never attempted it I would have spent the rest of my life as a miserable old man

I hear ya. I enjoyed that tobacco sample you sent btw Yeah, I think people should always strive to make better juice, and part of that involves mimicking/improving other vendors' recipes. I guess I just didn't want anybody banging their head on a table because their recipe isn't exactly like Halo's. It can get pretty ridiculous if you don't realize that along the way, you're probably going to create something that you'll enjoy much, much more than the vendor juice you once had such a high praise for.

 

[dannyv45]

Actually refresh my memory I've sent out so many samples there all starting to blur together.

 

[Aheadatime]

It was just called "Arab", and I ventured a guess that it was mostly Hangsen Arabic and AP.

 

[dannyv45]

It was just called "Arab", and I ventured a guess that it was mostly Hangsen Arabic and AP.

Yes I remember. I also believe there was a touch of vanilla in there to smooth it out.

 

[schizm722]

I hear ya. I enjoyed that tobacco sample you sent btw Yeah, I think people should always strive to make better juice, and part of that involves mimicking/improving other vendors' recipes. I guess I just didn't want anybody banging their head on a table because their recipe isn't exactly like Halo's. It can get pretty ridiculous if you don't realize that along the way, you're probably going to create something that you'll enjoy much, much more than the vendor juice you once had such a high praise for.

Well I stopped hitting "like" after the first 3 posts you guys wrote.
I find it silly to like every single post from you guys

I agree with everything you guys are saying. (almost lol)
I was a Prime15 lover, and Danny's IMO really IS better than the original!
I've never talked to Danny, but hey Danny - thanks for your work on that, it's appreciated by many as you know.

I'm also a Tribeca lover.
I'm sure many have tried the simple Tribeca clone, (8% RY4D & 1% AP) and it's good enough to replace Tribeca,
but playing around is so fun! As you guys have stated, you can easily come up with something you like better than
the original, since taste is so subjective. I have 4 different Tribeca's that I just mix in revolution when 1 runs out lol.
Right now I'm vaping:

8% RY4 Double
1% AP
0.5% Bavarian Cream
0.5% FA Nut Mix
I love this one. I like it better than the original for sure.

I totally gave up on Torque, and just the thought of flavor vendors removing products to keep another
companies juices exclusive is probably going to keep me from playing with Torque ever again.
But oh do I love that Torque.
I don't want to believe that there are flavor components that have been "hidden" from the general
public so DIY'ers cannot duplicate certain juices! I guess it's a definite possibility, but I really
don't want to believe that...

Lately I have been playing with Voodoo quite a bit. I never went into it to try and duplicate Voodoo.
(I've only been mixing for about 4 months, I'm still a DIY newblet)
On this one, I can't say I've made anything I like better than the original, but I've made something
that at least stopped my from buying the original, so to me that's a win for now.
If you're looking for a Voodoo clone, don't even mix this up, it's not Voodoo, but it's a nice vape that's more than just similar.
FWIW my wife like's it better than the original. (she might just be saying that to be nice lmao)

15% TFA Cinnamon Sugar Cookie
4% FA Blackcurrant
2% Hangsen Essence TAB Blended
2% FA Vanilla Classic
0.5% FA Cocoa
The total flavor percentage is a little over the top as far as most of my recipes,
but I would really like some of you more experienced mixers to mix a little batch of this and tell me what you think!

Have a good day all, and I'm glad the thread didn't die!

~schizm

 

[robertboyl]

Hi, everyone

Thanks for recipes. The simple tribeca clone is really good and very similar. I want to try the Prime clone, what other tobaco essences would it work well with along with AP? I will try to get some hangsen arabica to try out Dannys recipe.

I was looking for a tobaco flavor similar to Freedom. Saw this, but seems TW PR M borough not sold anymore: [RECEITA] TW PR M/Borough (Halo Freedom) 12mg 70/30

Anyone have ideas how to get the very peculiar Freedom taste? Perhaps FA Virginia or some other sweet essence? Mixed with what? Its hard to distinguish of course what it contains...

Thanks!

 

[triplemom]

Im still trying for TruPure...I have made some pretty decent clones but not close enough for them to be real clones) Any ideas?

 

[dannyv45]

Hi, everyone

Thanks for recipes. The simple tribeca clone is really good and very similar. I want to try the Prime clone, what other tobaco essences would it work well with along with AP? I will try to get some hangsen arabica to try out Dannys recipe.

If this is your first shot at prime then substitute the arabic for the hangsen highway. Some have complained that arabic was to hay or grassy tasting and reduce the AP to 1%. I like that grassy note in a vape but many do not. Also you can add a little ( 1 - 2%) hangsen chocolate cream which will perk up that mossy note. But to do it right you need Trimethyl Pyrazine at 1% and Methylbutyraldehyde at .5% (That's point 5 percent or half a percent). Both can be obtained at TFA in there flavor molecules section under chocolate notes. If your going to go that route then eliminate the chocolate cream.

 

[robertboyl]

If this is your first shot at prime then substitute the arabic for the hangsen highway. Some have complained that arabic was to hay or grassy tasting and reduce the AP to 1%. I like that grassy note in a vape but many do not. Also you can add a little ( 1 - 2%) hangsen chocolate cream which will perk up that mossy note. But to do it right you need Trimethyl Pyrazine at 1% and Methylbutyraldehyde at .5% (That's point 5 percent or half a percent). Both can be obtained at TFA in there flavor molecules section under chocolate notes. If your going to go that route then eliminate the chocolate cream.

So I can try both variations, more simple one just Hangsen highway with AP and another one with all other ingredients you mentioned. The first one easier as less ingredients, etc... I dont have hangsen handy but perhaps will purchase it, have you tried with other brand tabacos from FA, TFA?

Have you ever tried out Freedom? Your ideas of what it might contain to try to mimic would be appreciated Its a more sweet tabaco, but not sure what else...

Thanks.

 

[dannyv45]

So I can try both variations, more simple one just Hangsen highway with AP and another one with all other ingredients you mentioned. The first one easier as less ingredients, etc... I dont have hangsen handy but perhaps will purchase it, have you tried with other brand tabacos from FA, TFA?

Have you ever tried out Freedom? Your ideas of what it might contain to try to mimic would be appreciated Its a more sweet tabaco, but not sure what else...

Thanks.

I've got about 20 different versions of prime with many different tobaccos and additives but highway and AP are a good starting point.

 

[robertboyl]

Thanks again, Danny. Will give it a shot.

If anyone has ideas how to come close to Freedom, appreciate it also.

 

[Tadow Johnson]

Im still trying for TruPure...I have made some pretty decent clones but not close enough for them to be real clones) Any ideas?

I am also on a quest to clone Halo's Menthols. I have been working on Menthol Ice for a bit, you can check out the other thread that I've now basically hijacked. . So far what I've found is the reason they are pink after steeping is due to Vanillin/Ethyl Vanillin content, I'm currently dialing this in... Also, I believe the Menthol used is the TFA recipe @66% in PGA by WEIGHT. I DIYed this using 33 Grams Menthol Crystals (USP) in 21.25 ml. Everclear which is 95% pure PGA at 190 proof and approximately 0.8 Grams per ml. I found this to be much better although considerably stronger than my previous Menthol in PG blend @3 Grams in 10 ml. PG... I am tweaking the Koolada % as well and have been advised the 'secret ingredient' may be Horehound, so have some on the way to test! Finally, the last piece of the code to crack is the rich mouthfeel and luxurious vapor of Menthol Ice, my best guess is possibly a tad more VG and possibly a shot of DW to keep it thin? Any additional ideas would be great. Awesome thread by the way!

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Horehound would be my guess too, if it's anything like Subzero because I immediately tasted Horehound in that one. I use TFA Horehound, around 1.5-2.5% is a great starting point

As for Vanilla and Vanillin, those along with many creams can add a red or pink tint, which deepens the longer they steep, but go lightly with all of them or you'll end up with a creamy vape instead of the menthol vape you're really after. I'd guess anymore than 0.5-1% Vanillin would be too much, at 2% it's going to be very "smoothed" over by vanilla-ness so go light as you test.

 

[Tadow Johnson]

I've been steeping the current batch with 1% Ethyl Vanillin (1 Gram in 10 ml. PG) for about a week and the color is about spot on, however, the scent is too much of vanilla and I am actually getting an increasing 'roughness' not 'smoothness' or 'creaminess' from the vapor believe it or not??? As I mentioned in the other thread when I first opened the Ethyl Vanillin powder I thought I was on to it for sure but as I have done more research I am learning that Ethyl Vanillin is about 3 times more powerful than Vanillin. This is leading me to believe it could actually be the Vanillin molecule and not the Ethyl Vanillin molecule in Halo Menthol Ice. I will be making a new test batch shortly with 1% Vanillin (will wait for the Horehound to arrive) and we shall see if the color reveals similarly with a weeks steep. I would like to clone all the other Halo Menthols as well, lets make a run at it!

 

[Tadow Johnson]

On a very interesting side note pertaining to this entire thread, I have come across a gas chromotography mass spectrometry analysis pdf on a bottle of Totally Wicked 36 mg. juice. Get this ---> 51.21% PG, 15.02% VG, 0.5% PGA, 9.97% Nic (not sure how this can be @ 36 mg. ?) 1.25% Vanillin, 0.45% 3-Cyclohexene-1-menthol,.alpha.,.alpha.4-trimethyl (Menthol?)

& DRUM ROLL PLEASE... 20.16% 1,3-bis(3-phenoxyphenoxy) Benzene. ...??? The report states that this type of Benzene is Non-Toxic but this seems very suspect to my untrained eyes. If this is totally legit could this be a factor in the elusive 'Mouthfeel' of some brand name vapes?

Has anyone knowledge of this?

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I've never tried the Ethyl Vanillin, only the pre-mixed from regular crystals (TFA), or is that the same? Hmm, aren't those both the same anyway, just one would be stronger concentration due to mixed in Alc vs PG?

In testing what I have, I mixed 1% with a strong butter pecan mix I loved, it was great but I decided to try a little more. Next round I tried 2%, then two weeks later that's all it was, super smooth vanilla, completely removed the very strong butter pecan. So now I always use only 1-1.5% with it

I looked around for that benzene variant you mentioned, and only found it mentioned in very old , or general articles on plain ecigs. I think it's not used as additive really, probably just a by-product of Nic/PG/VG/Flavorings vaporizing away. Just my guess from what I could find?

Maybe that report was wrong or edited/falsified by ANTZ? What flavor was that supposed to be? Could you link the article please, thanks!

 

[Tadow Johnson]

I believe the TFA Ethyl Vanillin is 10% in PG, and that actually makes my 1/10 mix of EV powder a little weaker than that...

Maybe it's the Koolada10% I used at 1% also giving me a weird mix with the EV? Back to the Lab!

Makes me wonder if Halo Sub-Zero is also pink like the others (TruPure & Cool Mist were/are pink I think not sure about Mystic) cause that one must have Koolada in it but maybe no Vanilla(in)?

EDIT: Looking at the TPA website I am seeing the Vanillin 10% in PG but only Ethyl Vanillin Crystals...

I'm now thinking the EV may be overkill compared to Vanillin, tried the current batch again today and it is kind of nasty

 

[Tadow Johnson]

Ok, here is the link I found from an old post on that Totally Wicked 1,3-bis(3-phenoxyphenoxy) Benzene.

http://www.e-cigs.co.uk/docs/E249A.pdf

 

[Tadow Johnson]

I wanted to let everyone know that Cinder Ella at Halo has all but admitted that Halo's e-liquid does in fact contain Ethanol, Polyethylene Glycol (PEG 400), Triacetin, and Benzene. I have been demanding to know this information for some time for the health and safety of Halo users but Cinder Ella and Halo continue to divert, deflect, give non answers and close threads when users directly ask these serious questions. Here is a link to the most recent Halo thread where I have directly asked Halo if these types of 'proprietary' ingredients are lurking in the 'Natural & Artificial' Flavoring' ingredients. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/halo/547695-pg-vg.html?highlight=halo

 

[dannyv45]

Interesting deletions on that thread. Think there trying to hide something? THis is another good example why you should be making your own juice. I love halo juices but you also have the right to know exactly what your putting into your body.