Hardest hitting China clone; out of the box

[ukeman]

Unmodded Clones.
What are your findings?

Just wondering how close China is getting to the reason mech devices are so popular today... the ability to have good conductivity.
So far from the ones I've tried, the K100 is pretty good.

K100

Caravela clone... hits pretty good too.

Sig #8 ( i did sand the top contact - but the bottom button gets hot unmodded)

 

[chadsmo]

Not a clone perse, but pbusardo's fancy machine says the smoktek telescope has the least voltage drop of any mech he's tested yet, that even included things like the Adam and EA.

 

[crxess]

Don't do any metering, but can reference to my eVic and it's power settings.
I have:
sigelei Telescoping bottom button
CCTS (4) 2 chrome, 1 brass, 1 Two tone
Sigelei #20

Straight out of the box - No sanding or anything
CCTS BRASS hands down Great, hard hitting and no heat issues.

After Sanding all contacts - All CCTS working nicely
After Spring change - Sigelei #20 working ok - Waiting on GOLD Heavy duty spring replacement to arrive to retest.

 

[supertrunker]

i'm not really sure why you'd do that since silver has the best properties.

Electrical resistivity and conductivity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[ukeman]

Is it a CCTS and where can you get them?
and/or is it a Kamry Storm, where to get?
thanks

Don't do any metering, but can reference to my eVic and it's power settings.
I have:
Sigelei Telescoping bottom button
CCTS (4) 2 chrome, 1 brass, 1 Two tone
Sigelei #20

Straight out of the box - No sanding or anything
CCTS BRASS hands down Great, hard hitting and no heat issues.

After Sanding all contacts - All CCTS working nicely
After Spring change - Sigelei #20 working ok - Waiting on GOLD Heavy duty spring replacement to arrive to retest.

 

[xbassman]

Is it a CCTS and where can you get them?
and/or is it a Kamry Storm, where to get?
thanks

Here's a link from Vapor Joe for the China GG. (Same thing by another name) for $26.99.
http://.........blogspot.com/2013/05/on-fire-china-gg-2699.html

 

[qorax]

Not done anything, no modding, no sanding, no tweaking, no touching anywhere... YET my below three from the Chinese assembly line vape perfectly, stupendously well, volcanic, right out-of-the-box:

a) Kamry K100 .... Best mod to use b'coz of it's switch design & petite size. Very handy!
b) Sigelei #8 ........ Best mod to abuse, built like a tank. I'm sure it'd break the floor if dropped w/out receiving a scratch on itself.
c) Kamry KTS-D/T . Best looking device, too damn sweet, one to flaunt around. It's a head turner!

How do I know? B'coz all the three perform ditto as my hi-end/hi-priced GP Paps... same vape quality, same taste, same TH. I find no difference between them.

Oh yes, I could be a dumb vaper having not performed any voltage drops tests, not knowing about "technical vaporizing", not understanding the finer aspects of vaping... but hey, those three r performing to my satisfaction, giving me immense happiness, made me crazy about vaping... then does anything else matter?
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*My GP-LUX, received a few days back, is another ballgame altogether.

 

[El_tecolote]

I was quite surprised when my under $30 CCTS arrived a while back. Performance out of the box was as good as any other mech I have including some that are many times more expensive.

 

[Red_Bird]

My Segelei #8 unmodded hits harder then my dusty K100 + dusty CCTS

With Chinese manufacturing the location and date of manufacture likely plays a part in the quality control.

 

[Jimi D.]

The K100 hits great. I'm using 18650 MNKE batteries. I didn't sand jack.

 

[porkchopharry]

Not a whole lot to be said really. They are metal tubes. They should all perform fairly well. WHAT you get when you buy a higher end tube is better build quality, nicer finishes, and usually great support if it breaks. You won't get that from China.

Voltage drop - is the new buzzword to burn a hole in your pocket. If you like it, it hits hard enough.

 

[crxess]

The K100 hits great. I'm using 18650 MNKE batteries. I didn't sand jack.

I'll bet Jack is appreciative of that!

 

[Vego]

Voltage drop - is the new buzzword to burn a hole in your pocket. If you like it, it hits hard enough.

You know, porkchop, I can dig your perspective on this. It makes me realize I myself may just be following the herd with all my concernes about voltage drop. I just blew out a cheap mech mod... cheap because of poor china manufacture and/or quality control, yet, while it lasted, I got to say it hit just fine. Then again, I may be in for a big surprise when my ELA comes. Moral of the story - it's best to find out for yourself. Anyway, thanks for the reality check.

 

[ukeman]

Buzzword for good reason... Better materials for conductivity off the bat.
And why do they mod clones? Better hits.

 

[Vego]

Well, I'm definitely looking forward to comparing the vape of a high quality mod like the ELA to a cheap china mod. There's no question as to the benefit of quality machining and engineering, as we all know the ELA will last and perform forever; but, like I said, I will be glad to find out for myself as to just how much better the actual vape is, if any. Then I'll know if it's a buzzword or not. But I can still appreciate Porkchops sentiment, as there is a lot of things in this hobby of ours that just get followed because of hype and/or joining the bandwagon, and not experience. I myself have been guilty of this a few times... mostly with juice.

 

[crxess]

If someone can buy a $30 china mod, spend 30 minutes to an hour and $10-$15 dollars to hit Top performance numbers, Who cares? If status is not involved and a good Vape is the goal, why spend money unnecessarily?
For those with the ability I think this is an excellent approach to learning just what mechanical Mods are all about. Then one would know for certain if they want to invest in a high end piece.

 

[porkchopharry]

Buzzword for good reason... Better materials for conductivity off the bat.
And why do they mod clones? Better hits.

They mod clones, BECAUSE people right now are buying them like crazy. In a few months, many of these same people will move onto...oh I don't know DNA 20 mods and guess what? China will clone those next, and so on and so on. China does not care about "good hits" dude. They mod "good clones" for money. Many people have to take these "good clone" and mod them further to get them to work. to their full potential. C'mon.

The reason so many people are going to spend $500, $600 for certain mechanical? It's a big fashion statement. Like somebody above referred to.

I have a number of mechanicals and prefer them, but I am the type of guy who also will choose vinyl over mp3 any day. I get more satsifaction out of a simple mechanical and my own coil. Many may not.

If you get a mechanical and appreciate what they offer and like it...awesome. But realize that most of these reviewers and such are SELLING you mods for these companies. Part of the selling point is their over-use of the words "voltage drop". Next month they will be selling you the new Vivi Nova, telling you how awesome IT IS. And you'll never hear them talk about another mechanical - EVER. Lather, rinse, repeat.

It's hard to accept that many of these reviewers are merely cash cows for companies and offer awesome reviews for things in exchange for lots of free stuff. But many of them ARE. They are long winded TV commercials. Do they help in some respect? Yes they do. Especially if they got you off smokes.

Here's my point really, don't get caught up in the BS. If you get a cheap mechanical and it works for you. AWESOME! I have some good ones, I have some cheap ones. I have sold some expensive ones and kept some cheap ones. I have sold some cheap ones and kept the expensive ones.

If you get one and it makes you feel like you've discovered the greatest thing ever. Guess what ? It's because you probably have. But it is probably because of the simplicity and ritual above anything else. A well made mechanical will also last you a lifetime.

Atmizoo has a great article that talks about the voltage drop buzz-word: Voltage Drop - Not Where You Think | atmizoo vaping modware

 

[porkchopharry]

You know, porkchop, I can dig your perspective on this. It makes me realize I myself may just be following the herd with all my concernes about voltage drop. I just blew out a cheap mech mod... cheap because of poor china manufacture and/or quality control, yet, while it lasted, I got to say it hit just fine. Then again, I may be in for a big surprise when my ELA comes. Moral of the story - it's best to find out for yourself. Anyway, thanks for the reality check.

I'm not saying you're following the herd man. I'm just saying as somebody who owns/owned both that it's real easy to get caught up in the cash cow. We are all ex-smokers, we are all compulsive obviously, we will spend money to keep us interested, anything to not smoke. I just feel at times, we are easily swayed and taken advantage of. I have a drawer full of vivi novas to prove I am just as easily influenced by this as anyone else.

All I'm saying is that if somebody is happy with a $30 mod that's cool. Will they get a better built product if they get say a Poldiac? Oh yes. And better support. And better resale. But this "hits harder" thing is something that is, not necessarily total BS, it's just kind of played up way more than it should be and many people are being taken advantage of because a lot of the vaping community seems to be based on some weird "status symbol" type thing. Don't be shocked if the Poldiac hits pretty much the same after the honeymoon wears off.

Case in point, I lurked and lurked on this forum for MONTHS and MONTHS. And never joined until recently because I was really turned off by the way some people would look down their noses at others. For stupid reasons like calling a "nova a tank", h, oh, do you have any grey poupon? It's a clearo not a tank sir". Or prefering a Vamo over a Provari. Like these elitists, that were typing just to hear themselves talk about how greay they are. But...one day I said screw it, I'm gonna join, I'm not going to let these people ruin it for me. If I want to talk with someone about stuff I'm into, I won't let their elitist and crappy attitudes stop me.

Anyway, enjoy your mechanicals I love them. Don't even use VV/VW much at all anymore.

 

[Justin66]

That elititst bull..... attitude about mods and RBA's is what turns me off about this place. Hell, I'm surprised no one's fighting over stupid stuff like lanyards and cases. I'm currently using a Provari and K-100 (kicked)... at the same wattage with the same tank/clearo they hit the same.

Pepole rail on China so much, especially these mods... but how many other Chinese-made products that aren't related to vaping are they using? I'm a golfer (not a pro golfer) that builds his own clubs and the only major part of the golf club (ie: heads, shafts, grips) that's still sometimes made in the USA is grips. Tacki-Mac and Star are two brands that are US-made. Would I use them over something from Golf Pride, Winn, Karma, Black Widow, UST/Mamiya, Grip One, Royal, Iomic, or any other brands? Maybe; it just depends on what I feel like using and how much I want to spend. I'm not getting anything more from using the USA brands, I'm not getting anything less from the China-made brands. Either way, they'll do their job... much like every mod. I know people that are coming up on their one year no smoking anniversary that STILL use the "starter" Ego.

Another bit of golf carryover: paid-for "reviews". It's a very common, and unfortunately accepted, practice in golf. OEMs give free gear (clubs, bags, balls, gloves, whatever) and/or pay $70K PER AD and fully expect a favoritable review of the product they sent in... which the reviewer naturally gives. Am I saying the likes of Grimm Green and PBusardo (or anyone else) are doing this? No... but I've never put much stock in them, anyway, so it doesn't matter to me at all.

So the point is, does it really matter? No, but the human mind is a weird thing. It can be convinced to believe anything, if the right stimuli are present. It's the "you're not really vaping if you aren't using <insert hyped mod here>" crap that gets me. We all need to realize that not smoking is the objective... if you want to use a $30 mod, cool. If you want to use a $300 mod, cool... but no one should care, as long as we're all getting healthy again.

 

[DrJohn]

China is good at making things cheap and quick. The attention to detail is sometimes lost in the process. I have bought several Chinese mods and broke them in about a month or two. You can not compare a small manufacturer who limits production focusing on quality to large scale manufacturing. If your Chinese mod works and you are careful enough cheers. If your looking for something more durable and astetically pleasing you will cough up a few hundred dollars and wait in line. I still am using a Chinese mod and have been waiting since January for the Ela I preordered. Hopefully it will last until superT delivers.