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I don't think anyone anywhere is claiming that vaping is 100% safe. Nothing in the world we live in is 100% safe and if someone claims that they have found a 100% safe product then they need to be called out on it but I don't think one would find a single thing that is 100% safe or a single post on this vast forum that claims that vaping is 100% safe.
I hope this post is politically correct enough and even those that claim that someone has claimed that vaping is 100% safe will understand that no one is claiming that vaping (or anything) is 100% safe. Saying safer is not saying 100% safe. The ones that need to hear this will know who they are and I hope they will understand exactly what safer means. It DOES NOT mean 100% safe.
Now I am going to go get busy making pies for our feast tomorrow.
Agree with this, but if there is no such thing as 100% safe, then "safe" is a very confusing word (just like harm). And "safer" doesn't make it less confusing.
May as well just say, "vaping is magical." Some might think it is 100% magical, others may concede it is more magical than a flux capacitor and still others may say it is less magical than a pencil.
Sticking with safe/harm as the crux of benefits for vaping is really not telling us much, now is it? Especially when a (short) debate can firmly establish that nothing is 100% safe. Moreover, it is perhaps impossible to qualify safety with the millions (if not billions) of different combinations that can be depicted when one is referencing "vaping."
I'm still going to use these terms of safety and harm because I don't see any side of the ongoing debate squarely addressing the point I'm alluding to in this post nor trying to establish a universal standard.
But do wish to say: for a recreational product/activity, the enjoyment factor, however subjective that may be, is infinitely more pertinent to actual users than safety concerns/benefits. As that is perhaps a whole other matter up for debate, then let the discussion(s) continue.
OK, seems most agree that nothing is safe , i still believe it is "basic common sense" that vaping diketone free juice is smarter than vaping juice with diketones .
Can't wait to hear who rebuts this , this is going to funny , lets here it lol.
Can't wait to hear who rebuts this , this is going to funny , lets here it lol.
LOL , FA taste bad ? I don't think so and the overwhelming majority of their flavors is diketone free. I agree some flavorings that are diketone free are sub par but i have recipes that are fantastic that are diketone free , not as easy to find though .
Wouldn't this depend on what's in the diketone free juice?
IOW, the assumption that diketone substitutes are inherently safer is absurd given the precise language used to note 'potential harms' associated with vaping diketones. The whole 'potentially harmful' thing works just as well with unflavored, for all we know.
Honestly, the rebuttals to your thing can't possibly match the humorous nature of knowing there is no link between vaping diketones and problems for vapers, but that we all should be concerned enough to have them removed from our eLiquids. That's as funny as funny gets.
There is no one over the other. It's a personal choice for a individual to make.
You make a choice assuming potential risk means harm forgetting it's just
as likely it will not cause harm.
Regards
Mike
Ha ha ha, thank you , i knew one of you wouldn't be able to hold back and would have to come out with something that would make my day complete , nobody can ever say your not persistent thats for sure.
Merry Christmas my friend lol.
Merry Christmas my friend , your good people , confusing as hell sometimes but good people.
If I ever wanted someone to be condescending to me i would look to my parents.
Their both dead now,thank you.
LOL,LOL,LOL, yuk it up.
When you come up with something better let me know.
Merry Christmas Regards,
Mike
Gotta go..........Have a street to Cross, ..... or should I take the risk?
Happy Holidays All!
Vape safe and Enjoy!
Happy Holidays All!
Vape safe and Enjoy!
Merry Christmas to you.
Hey, maybe after Christmas, you'll have a decent rebuttal. Possibly?
I think it's as obvious as obvious gets that nothing and i mean nothing will be satisfactory to you , i asked that question for a specific reason , anybody who responded and could actually argue about my comment below
is (without question) a person that will argue and argue and argue for the pure sake of arguing .
I have known a few in my time, if you haven't witnessed a single individual in a heated argument with themselves it should be on everyone's "bucket list" because it is mind boggling and something to behold , it really is .
Someone can be reading your eulogy while you lay expired in a pine box and these types still won't let it go , they will kneel down at your casket pretending to mourn your death but what they are really saying is " i need more proof" , no joke .
You would have much better success debating a piece of lawn furniture than this type of person .
In order to replace diketones with other flavorings you have to apply two mutually contradictory views to the problem.
For the diketones, you have to ignore the overwhelming evidence of a billion smokers, and concoct some sort of "we just don't know" argument. Or make baseless speculations that smoking magically renders the diketones neutral, but vaping will not. Or diketones are the magic ingredient, of the thousands of compounds in combusted tobacco, that eventually leads to COPD. Ignoring the tars and etc. IOW, you have to make stuff up, totally unsupported by the facts of the matter.
On the other hand, for all the other flavorings, none of which have any long term inhalation studies, you have to apply the "Ignorance Is Bliss" card, ignoring all the speculative possibilities you insist be applied to diketones.
And that is why my own policy is that if I ever get too uncomfortable with diketones my only rational decision is to go flavorless.
For the diketones, you have to ignore the overwhelming evidence of a billion smokers, and concoct some sort of "we just don't know" argument. Or make baseless speculations that smoking magically renders the diketones neutral, but vaping will not. Or diketones are the magic ingredient, of the thousands of compounds in combusted tobacco, that eventually leads to COPD. Ignoring the tars and etc. IOW, you have to make stuff up, totally unsupported by the facts of the matter.
On the other hand, for all the other flavorings, none of which have any long term inhalation studies, you have to apply the "Ignorance Is Bliss" card, ignoring all the speculative possibilities you insist be applied to diketones.
And that is why my own policy is that if I ever get too uncomfortable with diketones my only rational decision is to go flavorless.
I would say even with the flavorless, the "ignorance is bliss" card applies. Where are the long term studies on vaping flavorless? Just cause there are no known problems with vaping flavorless doesn't mean it is 100% safe. LOL, just typing that up humors me that some use that as part of their tactics in how to frame the diketone issue.
It's 100% proven that life will kill you. People obsess over hazards and risks and trying to insulate themselves, then get run over by a bus. No guarantees, kids.
No it doesn't mean it's 100% safe. But there's nothing in flavorless (or most diketone-free flavors for that matter) that's widely regarded as TOXIC to lung tissue either.
Why is it that there's a few people who just can't admit that if someone wishes to reduce potential health risks from vaping, the FIRST thing they should do is to seek out diketone-free flavors?
If diacetyl had never been used in mass quantities in the manufacture of microwave popcorn it would still be considered probably non-toxic.
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