Harvard Eliquid Study Today
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Otherwise known as the Doctrine of Ignorance Is Bliss.Maybe, but it was and it isn't.
Nope, my my personal doctrine is: Reduce exposure to things widely considered most likely to cause problems.
FWIW, I stand fully behind your right to vape all the diketones you want, and for that matter behind @Jman8's right to continue to smoke as much (or as little) as he wants. It's your body, do as you wish with it.
What I can't accept is the notion that people should either stop caring about what's in their juice, or just stop vaping entirely. That attitude is not far removed from the "quit using nicotine or die" philosophy that permeates certain circles....
I see this as an over reaction countering the notion that the whole vaping world should jump
on the anti-diketone wagon and take up the cause. Nothing more at least from my point of view.
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Mike
IMO, the first thing they "should" do is stop vaping. As @VNeil was conveying you can't really have it both ways, saying we know diketones are a problem without any evidence to back that up, but there's a 'potential' and then also say that all other ingredients, also lacking evidence of a problem are good to go for your body. If the concern is that great, objective non-vapers are going to go with stop vaping as #1 thing to consider.
If going to continue vaping, and you think any ingredient is problematic for you, or even problematic for others besides you, but you wish to stay clear yourself, then do it. But become vocal about that and start preaching others should as well, then you better have some good science to back up such assertions.
Thus far, anti-diketone crowd does not have good science to back up their assertions of "should be removed" or "others should not be vaping it." The science on that is just as good as "don't vape at all because there are potential risks that could harm you over the long term, and for all we know, it is far worse than smoking." If we come back to meme of 95% safer, this would have to include diketone laced products and/or forever be stipulated going forward that this thing we have no scientific evidence for, as it relates to vaping, is something that is not included in the 95% safer claim, even while we've been aware of it since 2010, and since then, we've made countless claims that vaping is 95% safer than smoking.
As a personal decision, what's to argue? As a position for others to consider, again you better have science to squarely back that up as it specifically relates to vaping. Otherwise, again all the ingredients in vaping carry with them a degree of risk. In an under regulated market, you are gambling. Thus far the anecdotal evidence greatly favors the vaping crowd. And scientific data, up to this moment does not favor the anti-diketone/anti-vaping position, except as a precaution type thing. But if that precautionary approach is zealous it very much deserves to be dealt with assertively, calling into question what it is based on and is it being applied consistently.
I'd like to explore the "stop caring about what's in juice" as I see that as straw man here in middle of debate, but if you think it is more than this and something that the pro-allowing diketones to continue existing in eLiquid crowd is saying, then please elaborate.
Already addressed the stop vaping idea. Will say again, if the personal concern is that great, then the #1 consideration ought to be to stop vaping. Perhaps that doesn't work for you, or millions of others, still doesn't mean it isn't #1 consideration. So, you go with other considerations, i.e. choosing products that don't have diketones or have it lowered, and testing that yourself to be truly certain. Whatever that is for the individual it is, but if going to espouse that as 'position others should hold' then the debate is going to show up as it does now: trumped up concern being squarely dealt with via a reason and strong desire to let free market (minus frivolous lawsuits) address the perceived larger problem.
It's actually too stupid to even bother with , i mean c, mon man , this has got to be a joke . Nobody would ever come up with this nonsense , If you have something that actually makes sense a rebuttal will always be waiting for you .
Thats a" basic common sense" doctrine , when somebody can argue a question as obvious as " is vaping e juice without diketones a better idea than vaping e juice with diketones" that is all anybody needs to know .
I mean that told me everything i needed to know and that is don't even bother anymore , this type of person is arguing because they just like to argue period. It's way past the "basic common sense" point , there is none in this thread , a total waste of time for sure.
Their argument is akin to someone saying: "Riding a motorcycle is intrinsically dangerous, so there's no point in wearing a helmet or other protective gear if you choose to ride, and the motorcycle industry should stop suggesting people wear them."
Not accurate. Closer to: Riding a motorcycle on black pavement is potentially more dangerous than riding a motorcycle on grey pavement. While there is no scientific evidence to back either of these two assertions up, except for some factory workers who rode motorcycles in the warehouse on black pavement, and crashed, we shall apply the notion of 'dangerous to ride on black pavement' to all future riders, and call ourselves the reasonable people who are using common sense. In no way do we favor federal government intervention on this, but motorcycle riders should be forced to drive on black-free pavement. Because we care."
And the guys that ride on dirt, well, they just have no idea of what a motorcycle is for...
Does that differ much from any other thread releated to potential health issues releated to vaping?
They are always informative, be it silica, genesis atomizers or potential "bad" ingredients in e-juices.
Pointless, no.
Personal, sooner or later.
They are always informative, be it silica, genesis atomizers or potential "bad" ingredients in e-juices.
Pointless, no.
Personal, sooner or later.
Yes it is, Troll from behind
, except when your government influenced by special interests wants to make that "personal decision" for you. 
Can't believe y'all are still rattling on about this. I bet the Christmas parties were a blast at your houses. Plenty of parking and leftovers, I'd guess....
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