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bilbobaggins30

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Your urban legend is a fact. They add actually a lot of chems designed to open up your lungs to allow for nic to hit faster, and then they add another chem that makes it more potent when it hits the brain. Also they add sugar, which when burt, creates a whole new addiction, that is even worse than nic. When people quit cigs using the patch, they fail due to the burning sugar addiction. It is sick, but true.
 

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no.. im not talking about the stuff they ADD.. (scroll up to read what i posted about the actual components of the tobacco plant) there are a few more natural elements in the plant that work with the nicotine, called harman- it is a MAO and also found in Passion flower. It is not in plain nic juice or NRT's and is why many feel something is missing, im pretty sure.
 

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of course, the chemical makeup is not exactly the same in the 2 plants.. but some of the missing alkaloids from the tobacco plant that work with the nicotine and are not present in the just nicotine vape are in Passion flower, thus the edge taken off of not wanting an analog when vaping. WTA ejuices take care of this completely, i have read. yet to try.. but ordered some :)
 

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If you look up the health benefits of Passion flower you will find its anti anxiety, because it has some of the same anti anxiety chemicals as natural tobacco... the ones that work with the nicotine. But.. these arent in a nic vape.. and theres no nicotine in Passion flower. PF is FDA approved and safe. Either way.. nicotine in itself is not the only thing in the natural tobacco plant we are addicted to.. and whether using passion flower for the harmans, or WTA, i STILL am not damaging my body with chemicals or tar by doing this.. so as far as im concerned, its all good :)
 

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They DO add ammonia to the tobacco. Its been proven. Without a doubt.
The addition of ammonia to the tobacco allows the nicotine salt to turn it to it's feebase form.
Without the addition of ammonia, very little nicotine would be absorbed by lighting up.
They do add a lot of things to aid in the absorption of the nicotine itself as well.
On top of the chemicals they add, the tobacco plant contains alkaloids (natural chemicals)
Like stefania123 was getting at, these natural alkaloids are known to induce the calming effects.
Nicotine on its own is pretty much a stimulant, just like caffeine is.
But the tobacco leaves do contain alkaloids that have calming effects, that also potentate the nicotine.
When you use a stimulant in high dosages, it brings a calm across the central nervous system.
When you potentate nicotine, it boosts the dosage per hit, and produces the calming effect.

With vaping, we don't have any of that. We just have nicotine. Very slow absorbed nicotine.
We absorb the nicotine much slower than smoking, because with vaping, we absorb it orally.
Very little nicotine is absorbed in the lungs.
The nicotine takes longer to be absorbed, and longer to cross our blood-brain-barrier.
So, with vaping, your going to mainly get stimulative effects no matter what.
There are no potentaters, there are no calming alkaloids, and there is no freebase nicotine.

They put a lot of things in tobacco, but the tobacco itself is also an all around better delivery system.
 

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yes they add alot of things, im not denying that. but the indians used unadulterated tobacco for medicinal and spiritual purposes.. because of the natural drugs in it.. and not just nicotine.. and these are what we are addicted to.. not the terrible poisons BT adds to them. look, all hard drugs and drugs come from plants.. that is what we are addicted to.
 

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Another thing about vaping is that it doesn't potentiate other psychoactive substances even remotely as much as a tobacco cigarette does. Tobacco contains MAOI properties. An MAOI is a Monoamine oxidase inhibitor, which means it inhibits our brains natural propensity to return our neurotransmitters to their natural levels. Funnily enough, stefania123 picked right up on that when she spoke of the Harman that naturally occurs as an alkaloid in the tobacco leaf. This Harman is closely related to Harmaline, which is a well known maoi alkaloid. This explains tobacco's synergy/potentiation of many psychoactive substances, including alcohol and other street drugs. So if you are a drinker, or user, you may find that your buzz just isn't the same after making the switch to e-cigs.

This forum doesn't have a young crowd, talk of Psychoactive substances is somewhat censored here, and I still haven't seen any good chemistry speak here on the forums, so I've really been itching to talk about this with someone. I'm not sure if anyone cares about any of this, but, there it is. I've got more if anyone is interested. :p I'm still in the middle of researching why vaping seems to bring about symptoms similar to a withdrawal in those actively utilizing narcotic pain medication for their aches and pains. Where tobacco smoke synergized with, & potentiated these medications, excessive vaping seems to bring about dysphoria and mildly uncomfortable symptoms for a few people I have spoken with.
 
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Sometimes I recommend smokers switch to American Spirits or rolled tobacco with no additives before they switch to vaping. It really helps to break the addiction of the extras first.

I always felt they loaded the extra chemicals into the first 1/2 of the cigarettes. The last half never had the same punch for me and it was really apparent when I was low and would relight the second half. Shudder, shudder, as I remind myself of the disgusting butts I smoked in desperation. Nope don't miss them on little bit.

I quit drinking all diet soda over 10 years ago and to this day I still crave Diet Cokes occasionally and the regular Coke just won't satisfy the craving. What the heck is in that stuff?
 

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This Harman is closely related to Harmaline, which is a well known maoi alkaloid. This explains tobacco's synergy/potentiation of many psychoactive substances, including alcohol and other street drugs. So if you are a drinker, or user, you may find that your buzz just isn't the same after making the switch to e-cigs.

Yes, and these are found in Passion flower. thus, after driking some tincature in water tonight before drinking vodka.. i have no need for an analog ;)

if you search the forum on all this chemistry talk you will find it, pages and pages of it. and, i believe, https://www.aromaejuice.com/ was born of this talk. they too made the connection like me, but unlike me, i am not a chemist like they all obviously are and actually made a juice ;) i just ordered it.. but meanwhile, even the passion flower additive to my diet that i thought of today is sufficing.
 
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I should probably try a WTA juice since I'm on this damn addictive forum so much and I try my best to give good advice. Thanks for the link stefania123. I wish they sold it in larger bottles (only 10ml?) and a more wide array of juice strengths (only 12 or 24mg?) But after having this chat I'm going to do some more research on WTA juices and see if there are more vendors. I might have to try Aroma since they have snickerdoodle (1 of my top 5 favorites) and DK-TAB (1 of my top favorites too!) sweet. Thanks!
 

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I should probably try a WTA juice since I'm on this damn addictive forum so much and I try my best to give good advice. Thanks for the link stefania123. I wish they sold it in larger bottles (only 10ml?) and a more wide array of juice strengths (only 12 or 24mg?) But after having this chat I'm going to do some more research on WTA juices and see if there are more vendors. I might have to try Aroma since they have snickerdoodle (1 of my top 5 favorites) and DK-TAB (1 of my top favorites too!) sweet. Thanks!

They have 18mg (med) too unless it is out of stock in the flavor. There was a discussion a while back that the higher the nic level the more WTAs in the bottle. You could always order 24ml and dilute it with non WTA of the same flavor to get more for your money. Also shake the bottle every time you use it because the WTAs sink to the bottom.
 

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I should probably try a WTA juice since I'm on this damn addictive forum so much and I try my best to give good advice. Thanks for the link stefania123. I wish they sold it in larger bottles (only 10ml?) and a more wide array of juice strengths (only 12 or 24mg?) But after having this chat I'm going to do some more research on WTA juices and see if there are more vendors. I might have to try Aroma since they have snickerdoodle (1 of my top 5 favorites) and DK-TAB (1 of my top favorites too!) sweet. Thanks!
it is a new thing to extract all the alkaloids from a tobacco leaf and not just nicotine.. and hard... i read their looong posts i found on this forum, they actually came up with this themselves here in trial and error!!! i think they are vaping revolutionaries ;) you're welcome :)
 

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I can't attest to all the science but I do know that when I was smoking I couldn't get out of bed fast enough to have that first cigarette in the morning. Now I wake up, throw on my shorts and a t-shirt, mosey on in to the kitchen, make my coffee, let the dogs out, and THEN sit down at the computer with my e-rig. There's no sense of urgency anymore.
 
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