I think you know the difference. You can stop the hard Lemonade alot easier than nicotine.
Has anyone who has never smoked picked up vaping?
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It's ......ed to take up vaping, if you never smoked. It's like going to the methadone clinic, when you've never done ...... because your friends go there.
You've used pretty strong wording there... which I disagree with. Prior to trying vaping, I was a very light smoker. 1-2 cigarettes every day or two, but mostly as a social thing while drinking, on the weekends. I did enjoy hookah once in a while, which vaping seemed most similar to.
So I discovered e-cigs, I tried it, and I liked it. For each activity in my life I partake in, I do my own weighing of risks and benefits. After doing so for e-cigs, I decided to pick up a kit, and enjoy them regularly.
Why argue with that?
No kidding, 'eh? I hadn't smoked in fifteen years but married a woman who does. After a few years with her I was finding myself closer and closer to picking up a pack again. Eventually I did, minutes later saw an eSmoke kiosk, threw out the unopened pack of cigarettes. And dove into "Medium" tobacco vaping.
I guess in my case I had decided to go back to nicotine or almost decided.. but the less messy and perhaps safer option of vaping presented itself. -Magnus
I was thinking exactly this. I started smoking at 15-16 years old knowing full well that it was a terrible thing to do for my health and that it carried risks - but I did it anyway. Now I'm here because I got hooked and every other method I tried when I wanted to quit failed.
Interestingly, my mother (who quit 30+ years ago) got a PV at the same time I did, with 0mg juice in all sorts of flavors to go with it - simply because after all these years, she still missed the action of smoking even though the addiction was long gone...something to do with having breaks during the day. I'm mostly just excited that she's been supportive of this attempt to quit on my part.
People will make all sorts of decisions that others will condone or not condone, regardless of legislation, and for all manner and variety of reasons.
I don't think (Jumpsteady) was arguing with that, he and I are talking about someone who has NEVER smoked to start a nicotine habit and not realize what they are getting into. So she ask and the people that have been there and done that, what they thought, and they told her their opinion. Thats not arguing. I don't think you would recommend that it was OK to try a little CRACK if you were a recovered addict.
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Most forums have their gospel and it is somewhat risky to challenge it. I realize after reading this thread you have tread on one of the main commandments, lol.
And I can understand why people feel so strongly. For one thing, this was the main fear of the FDA and why a lot of people thought they would be outlawed or only sold with a prescription. And why my guess is that flavors other than menthol or tobacco will most certainly be banned or highly regulated. Too appealing to kids. By all that said, its like trying to swim upriver.
People will be using pv as their introduction to nicotine, for sure. Arguing that is stupid might be true but its no different than trying your first drag on an analog or your first snort of coke.
Someone who uses a pv as his first into to nicotine is not inherently dumber than his twin brother who tries a Marlboro for the first time.
And I can understand why people feel so strongly. For one thing, this was the main fear of the FDA and why a lot of people thought they would be outlawed or only sold with a prescription. And why my guess is that flavors other than menthol or tobacco will most certainly be banned or highly regulated. Too appealing to kids. By all that said, its like trying to swim upriver.
People will be using pv as their introduction to nicotine, for sure. Arguing that is stupid might be true but its no different than trying your first drag on an analog or your first snort of coke.
Someone who uses a pv as his first into to nicotine is not inherently dumber than his twin brother who tries a Marlboro for the first time.
I dont allow my kids to have caffine - occasionally I will let them get a cherry coke from sonic- and about once a week allow them a sprite or rootbeer. I dont want them addicted to caffine like I am- I started drinking coffee at birth- (there are pics of me in my grandmothers arms as a baby sipping coffee) I KNEW cigs were bad- I started anyway- with the assumption that if I smoked light 100's I would have an easier time stopping. I dont let them have coffee for the most part- but Sweet Tea is always present in our home (we are from the south after all) - its an oxymoron-
Do my kids get soda when they are not with me? yes- the grandparents give it to them. I know- they also get cereal for 3 meals a day if they want it- which I dont allow- Do I think they will be soda drinkers? I am sure they will be- maybe like my grandmother who had ONE glass bottle coke a day- and ONE screwdriver at night- but drank coffee the rest of her waking hours. OR like me- who drinks anout 8-10 Dr Peppers a day- or 4 gallons of sweet tea. PLUS a pot of coffee.
I dont put beer or wine or hard whiskey in the same catagory as nic and caffine. because it is a 'social' thing, that although many people do become addicted to, its not as easy to "HAVE TO HAVE" as nic or caffine for the most part.
I would hate for anyone to pick up an ecig because its cool, or fun or tastes great- BUT, i would also hate anyone to start eating 2 gallons of ice cream everyday because they love the taste of it. I dont want anyone to start because I DO still associate it with smoking.
We wouldnt jump on someone if they were adding an extra 6 pack of cokes to their diet a day- OR adding a cheesecake to their lunchbox on a daily basis. Not like we do if they pick up ecigs. but if it proves to be they are realitivly safe (like caffine), which is the assumption that we all go on I believe, then I see us as getting upset about it just because its our 'mother hen' instinct. we KNOW what we all went through- we DONT want others to go through that too.
should someone or should they not? my first knee jerk reaction is NO- DONT DO IT- just like I would scream - DONT do pot or PCP, or coke- BUT- as we sit and discuss it, I will offer you some sweet or a Dr Pepper.....
Do my kids get soda when they are not with me? yes- the grandparents give it to them. I know- they also get cereal for 3 meals a day if they want it- which I dont allow- Do I think they will be soda drinkers? I am sure they will be- maybe like my grandmother who had ONE glass bottle coke a day- and ONE screwdriver at night- but drank coffee the rest of her waking hours. OR like me- who drinks anout 8-10 Dr Peppers a day- or 4 gallons of sweet tea. PLUS a pot of coffee.
I dont put beer or wine or hard whiskey in the same catagory as nic and caffine. because it is a 'social' thing, that although many people do become addicted to, its not as easy to "HAVE TO HAVE" as nic or caffine for the most part.
I would hate for anyone to pick up an ecig because its cool, or fun or tastes great- BUT, i would also hate anyone to start eating 2 gallons of ice cream everyday because they love the taste of it. I dont want anyone to start because I DO still associate it with smoking.
We wouldnt jump on someone if they were adding an extra 6 pack of cokes to their diet a day- OR adding a cheesecake to their lunchbox on a daily basis. Not like we do if they pick up ecigs. but if it proves to be they are realitivly safe (like caffine), which is the assumption that we all go on I believe, then I see us as getting upset about it just because its our 'mother hen' instinct. we KNOW what we all went through- we DONT want others to go through that too.
should someone or should they not? my first knee jerk reaction is NO- DONT DO IT- just like I would scream - DONT do pot or PCP, or coke- BUT- as we sit and discuss it, I will offer you some sweet or a Dr Pepper.....
It's the truth. Who in their right mind, that doesn't smoke would get involved in ordering juices - half you end up hating, trying to figure out what kit to get, trying to get it to work right. Ordering tanks and attys and cones and batteries and battery chargers. Play around with cleaning said attys, trying all the different cart mods, going to the pet store to buy blue foam or walmart for PG.
We do it because we're cigarette addicts. To take all that on by a person that doesn't even smoke it completely nuts. Take up a hobby, join a gym, read, collect comic books. Have something to show for your money instead of a bunch of vaping equipment.
Just curious Magnus, has your new hobby sparked any interest for your wife???
Not yet, she hates the battery life and dripping but she'll use mine if I'm maintaining it. So I'm going to mod and tank her so she'll get over her nits and lose the analogs. -Magnus
Someone who uses a pv as his first into to nicotine is not inherently dumber than his twin brother who tries a Marlboro for the first time.[/QUOTE] TampaSteve
I totally agree with that. Back in the day When I started smoking, everyone smoked, teachers, preachers, nurses and alot of the Doctors. I remember my doc when I was a kid setting down a cig to give me a shot. Anyway no one really knew they were harmful then. People today DO know, so hopefully they will make better decisions today with more info.
I totally agree with that. Back in the day When I started smoking, everyone smoked, teachers, preachers, nurses and alot of the Doctors. I remember my doc when I was a kid setting down a cig to give me a shot. Anyway no one really knew they were harmful then. People today DO know, so hopefully they will make better decisions today with more info.
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I agree that people who are not already addicted to nicotine should not use e-cigs - But, I understand why they would do it.. Think back to when you first picked up your first cigarette - what mechanism caused you to do that? After you smoked a few, and KNEW what it was all about, why did you pick up more? You started to Like and Enjoy The Drug. Then you got addicted to it.
Even though it doesn't have a physical addiction, that's the same reason people start smoking pot. Since you don't get physically addicted to pot, you might think that there is no reason to have lots of pot paraphernalia, but people love this stuff. They have cigarette papers, pipes, bongs, roach clips, even vaporizers for pot. They have grinders/blenders, scales, baggies, bottles, even their own popular magazine dedicated to pot. It's a choice. Knowing drugs do things to you to help get you a distraction from every day life in some small way is why people do it.
I'm 43. Over the years I have chosen willingly to try a lot of drugs many of them illegal. Today, I don't do any drugs except the nicotine in my e-cig and a few beers now and then. Yes, today we are using e-cigs to get unhooked off of cigarettes that can kill us, but we started to use Cigs originally because we made a choice to do so. It may not have been a wise choice, but I do understand what the appeal is.
I like to think that vaping is the futuristic version of smoking. Like in a hundred years, when we are all riding around in flying cars, no one will even think of smoking burning tobacco, that's so primitive. Everyone will have ecigs! Well, I mean everyone who chooses to anyway. Unless of course in 50 years they find out that these things give you cancer or worse, which is a possibility of course. These things have been around for what? 8-10 years? How long did people smoke tobacco before they realized it does horrible things to your body? Weren't the pilgrims smoking tobacco? That was a couple hundred years ago! And a mere 50-60 years ago there were commercials of "doctors" recommending their favorite smokes. Seriously, I have no problem with non-smokers vaping. How long do they have to smoke before it is acceptable for them to start vaping? 1 week? 10 years? It would be silly to put such a "rule" out there! I like nicotine. I know alot of people are using them as cessation devices, but I view mine as more of a replacement for nicotine intake. Just my 2 cents of course, but I say vape on!
Being an immature 16 year old riding around in the car with my girlfriends. If it was more involved than that i may not have done it. All you needed was a few bucks and a lighter. I didn't put that much effort into what I was going to wear. I don't think I actually made a 'choice'.
I certainly wouldn't have internet shopped, researched and bought a lot of gear. It's not cheap
Not so sure that is true. I think there are a few people who think alcohol is addictive.
Thats true (a few) but nicotine will get you for sure. Most drinkers are social drinkers and smokers are hooked. If the very few of the posts above think it is ok to get hooked on nicotine then go ahead, knock yourself out.
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Remember that tobacco companies put tons of chemicals in cigarettes to make them more addictive. I never smoked much. Just a social smoker, but I enjoy vaping. I do not however HAVE to vape at any point in the day like many smokers feel they HAVE to have a cigarette. Maybe because I wasn't a 2 pack a day smoker, but I also believe that nicotine in a more pure form reacts differently than the mind altering crap from Big Tobacco. I have read many times that vapers don't get the same satisfaction from vaping they did from smoking. There are threads out there with people trying to extract whole tobacco essence. Just my 2 cents.
I was never a smoker, but I'm vaping now. I guess I'm more or less self-medicating after a lot of problems getting/finding the right prescription medicines, but I think adults should be allowed to do what they want to do, assuming they're not hurting anyone else. I'm not hurting anyone else with my vaping, and I'm a lot happier, mellow, and productive with nicotine. I agree that in 100 years, vaping will probably be the new smoking, especially as this technology gets better and better over time.
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