Have I made a mistake??

[mick500]

Hey guys, great forum you have here filled with tons of info, quite overwhelming really..

I will try and keep this as short as possible, I smoke around 35 smokes a day, rollies. Strongest ones you can get here in Australia, recently I was given a packet of "cool menthol" filters by mistake, I liked them, when I went back to the regular filters they tasted like trash so I thought "why not go back to menthol filters" then i thought, don't be stupid , why not look into the e cigs if I'm going to do that.

So I am coming from a very low knowledge base, but bear with me as I have been reading forums for about 12 hours today lol, first thing I discovered was the e cigs in Australia contain zero nicotine so I wasn't interested in those.

I ended up finding a local forum (Whirlpool) which I used as my guide.. Unfortunately I didn't look close enough to see that the particular thread I was reading was in fact 5 years old lol. So can someone tell me if the place of purchase and the products I purchased are up to scratch or completely out dated and considered to be junk for a first timer?

I purchased from Heavens gift, are they still well respected and known for being reputable and having trustworthy e juice?

I bought the Joyetech 510 starter kit with additional cartridges (20pc) additional atomizer and 2x 30 ml dekang pg e juice (Menthol and b&h 18mg and 24mg respectively.) + USB Charger.

How am I looking so far?


Now for the nooby questions , If you don't like answering questions you see a lot please stop reading now.


Does smoking the e cig get you high at all? It seems people love it and I get the feeling there must be a bit of a kick to it. I am just looking to make the transition from smoking to vapor as seamless as possible and hope I haven't gone to high with 18mg and 24mg juice. 18mg was the lowest recommended juice on the other forum for a pack a day smoker. I wish I had just gone with 11mg now as it would have allowed more action, and that is what I will find just as tough as the actual addiction.

I was unaware of how dangerous the nicotine is before starting this venture, I have no kids, just me and the girlfriend living together, but I understand a 30ml bottle of e juice has 540mg of nicotine(18mg) and 720mg(24mg) respectively. I am not asking stupid questions like ingesting a whole bottle or even a little bit (I have seen those threads on here, and that's not a path I wish to go down.) but what about a accidental spillage of a whole bottle on your lap, is that life threatening instantly or will you have time to jump in the shower and wash it off?? Just trying to keep myself and the girlfriend safe, and as they say knowledge is power, which by default makes ignorance...?


Any answers/ replies will be greatly appreciated.


Cheers.

 

[jaxgator]

Hi Mick and welcome to ECF!

The Joyetech 510 starter kit looks almost identical to the kit that I started with and it got me off the analogs although I have since upgraded my gear. I can't speak about Heaven's Gift as I have never used them.

The nicotine that would be really harmful would be the 100% stuff used to make your own DIY juices so no, if you were to spill a whole bottle of your juice on yourself, you won't melt. However, I would immediately wash the clothes that got juice on them and take a shower just to be on the safe side.

 

[Seanchai]

No, vaping does not get you high. If you "chain vape" or vape for a long time, you might get a nicotine buzz, but it's the same buzz you get from chainsmoking (i.e. not very pleasant!). What makes *me* love vaping is the huge variety of flavors and the meditative hand to mouth action of vaping. But if I'm "chain vaping," it's because I'm really enjoying the flavor I'm getting... I actually have to slow myself down a bit in order to *avoid* that nicotine buzz.

If you dump a whole bottle of ejuice on yourself, you'll have plenty of time to wash it off, yes. PG and VG (the carrier liquids in ejuice) don't absorb through the skin very quickly, so as long as you wash it off in a *reasonably* timely manner (say 5-10 minutes), you won't notice any difference at all. Longer than that, you *may* start to notice that nic-high (headache, nausea, etc - like I said, much as if you had chainsmoked), but it depends on the nic content of your juice. I've had 12mg all over my hands, not noticed, and been fine wiping it off up to a half hour later... that would likely not be the case for me if I dumped 24mg nic on myself! A lot depends on your nicotine tolerance... if you're vaping 24mg regularly, spilling 24mg on yourself and leaving it there will cause a less noticeable effect than if you're used to 6mg.

The dire warnings you see about nic content and e-juice apply to those who mix their own ejuice and are working with nicotine in very high concentrations - 60mg/ml, 100mg/ml... if you spill that stuff on you, that is a "wash it off *immediately*" situation simply because the concentration is so much higher.

The main thing to watch out for re: ejuice and spills are kids and pets... I know you say it's just you and the gf, but if you ever have someone else's kids over, or if you have four-legged things about, make sure the ejuice is where they can't get to it. Concentrations that just make you feel a little queasy if you accidently upend a bottle on yourself could easily harm/kill smaller living things if they got ahold of a bottle and did enough damage to it.

 

[DingerCPA]

Welcome Mick!

I'm not familiar with the Joyetech 510 specifically, but I started my vaping venture with a cig-a-like somewhat similar to what you've acquired. Not familiar with Heavens Gift, either

"Does smoking the e cig get you high at all?" Well, there is the "nicotine-buzz" that can be had (just like taking the day's first drag of a cigarette) I find that if my liquids are too high, I get a little light-headed and nauseous, so I tend to keep my nic levels low (6mg) BUT, that is *MY* comfort zone - everyone else is different, and I respect that.

Yes, nicotine is dangerous, and you would certainly hope your bottles have child-proof caps on them. Do consider keeping things out of reach - especially if you have pets. My juices are in a toolbox with a lid that snaps shut (no kids, but 2 cats and a dog). But, I don't think spilling a bottle on yourself would be disastrous. Just wipe it up and wash your hands. The nicotine could burn any open cuts or scratches you might have. The little amount that would be in your cartridges would not be disastrous either.

As far as your gear, if you're liking the results, then it's perfect! One can spend hours and hours and hours browsing these forums. It's a great place for information, so I'd suggest that you keep reading out here.

All the best to you.

Cheers

 

[Feraloxide]

I understand a 30ml bottle of e juice has 540mg of nicotine(18mg) and 720mg(24mg) respectively.

This doesn't sound right.

Edit: Never mind, thanks for the explanation guys.

 

[jaxgator]

I understand a 30ml bottle of e juice has 540mg of nicotine(18mg) and 720mg(24mg) respectively.

This doesn't sound right.

It does to me. 18 mg per ml at 30 ml = 540 mg. 18 X 30 = 540. Or am I not understanding how the nicotine content works?

 

[Seanchai]

This doesn't sound right.

It's correct... 18 mg per ml times 30ml = 540mg in the entire bottle. Since the chances of dumping an entire bottle of juice on one's bare skin are remote, and the chances of vaping that much 18mg in one day are equally remote, it's not really something to *worry* about, just something to be aware of and exercise a little due caution... if you dump it on the floor/a desk, clean it up, if you dump it on yourself, wash it off in a timely manner, etc. But no need to panic.

If you're DIYing and dump 60mg/ml or, god forbid, 100mg/ml all over, yeah, that would (and should!) put a spot in your shorts... but 24 and under, nah, just clean it up. And keep away from kids and pets, obviously.

 

[mick500]

Damn, that's some quick replies, cheers guys.

This doesn't sound right.

Pretty sure that's right? 18mg of nicotine in 1ml = 18x30 = 540. or 24x 30 = 720.

If you dump a whole bottle of ejuice on yourself, you'll have plenty of time to wash it off, yes. PG and VG (the carrier liquids in ejuice) don't absorb through the skin very quickly, so as long as you wash it off in a *reasonably* timely manner (say 5-10 minutes), you won't notice any difference at all. Longer than that, you *may* start to notice that nic-high (headache, nausea, etc - like I said, much as if you had chainsmoked), but it depends on the nic content of your juice. I've had 12mg all over my hands, not noticed, and been fine wiping it off up to a half hour later... that would likely not be the case for me if I dumped 24mg nic on myself! A lot depends on your nicotine tolerance... if you're vaping 24mg regularly, spilling 24mg on yourself and leaving it there will cause a less noticeable effect than if you're used to 6mg.

The dire warnings you see about nic content and e-juice apply to those who mix their own ejuice and are working with nicotine in very high concentrations - 60mg/ml, 100mg/ml... if you spill that stuff on you, that is a "wash it off *immediately*" situation simply because the concentration is so much higher.

The main thing to watch out for re: ejuice and spills are kids and pets... I know you say it's just you and the gf, but if you ever have someone else's kids over, or if you have four-legged things about, make sure the ejuice is where they can't get to it. Concentrations that just make you feel a little queasy if you accidently upend a bottle on yourself could easily harm/kill smaller living things if they got ahold of a bottle and did enough damage to it.

Again, thanks. That's the info I was looking for. Resting a bit easier now and looking forward to giving it a go.

Welcome Mick!


As far as your gear, if you're liking the results, then it's perfect! One can spend hours and hours and hours browsing these forums. It's a great place for information, so I'd suggest that you keep reading out here.

All the best to you.

Cheers

Thanks! Do you or anyone else have a recommendation for a current e cig that is still simple but might be a bit more advanced, eg, holds more liquid etc? Also any recommendations for good stores that are highly regarded on here? I just feel like I'm 5 years behind everyone ordering from where I did and buying what I did lol. Still cost me just over a hundred bucks as well lol.

 

[Dayglow]

Welcome to the forums, it seems as though your questions have been answered. It is unfortunate that Australia is not as supportive of vaping as other areas still happen to be. My advice to you would be to find flavors you like and just stock up to minimize the number of times you need to order.
If you ever should decide to move onto more advanced things beyond the eGo style, just remember that you may want to adjust your nicotine level as well. When I used an eGo i was using 18-24mg liquid just fine, but as soon as I went to more advanced devices and rebuildables those were just too much to vape anymore. I know use 6mg and couldn't be happier. The nicotine delivery efficiency seems to increase with more advanced devices.
Good luck staying off smokes and any questions feel free to ask. We're generally a friendly bunch.

EDIT: some more advanced devices to consider would be something like the iTaste MVP2 or VTR, the Provari, and so many more depending on your price range. For tank setups, if you don't yet want to go into rebuildables, you could try a Kanger Protank 2 or Aerotank and the Aspire Nautilus. They both will hold 2+mL of liquid and can be easily cleaned and maintained. They also have glass tanks so they don't get damaged by certain liquids like plastic tanks can.

 

[mick500]

Welcome to the forums, it seems as though your questions have been answered. It is unfortunate that Australia is not as supportive of vaping as other areas still happen to be. My advice to you would be to find flavors you like and just stock up to minimize the number of times you need to order.
If you ever should decide to move onto more advanced things beyond the eGo style, just remember that you may want to adjust your nicotine level as well. When I used an eGo i was using 18-24mg liquid just fine, but as soon as I went to more advanced devices and rebuildables those were just too much to vape anymore. I know use 6mg and couldn't be happier. The nicotine delivery efficiency seems to increase with more advanced devices.
Good luck staying off smokes and any questions feel free to ask. We're generally a friendly bunch.

EDIT: some more advanced devices to consider would be something like the iTaste MVP2 or VTR, the Provari, and so many more depending on your price range. For tank setups, if you don't yet want to go into rebuildables, you could try a Kanger Protank 2 or Aerotank and the Aspire Nautilus. They both will hold 2+mL of liquid and can be easily cleaned and maintained. They also have glass tanks so they don't get damaged by certain liquids like plastic tanks can.

Cheers mate. The decision to quit has really snuck up on me actually. Just sick of all the things that smoking brings with it like everyone on here I guess, or most people on here. I am tempted to order the 11mg now for fear of coughing my lung up, head spins and vomiting with the 18mg, but that adds a additional $20 postage fee coming from china, as you say it really is a shame it's so bad in this country for e cigs, not surprising really tho considering netflix isn't even available here and is geo blocked STILL lol.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Aussie vapors or something like that..its a forum like this but in Australia. Very cool folks in there. They may be able find some local suppliers.

 

[Seanchai]

Again, thanks. That's the info I was looking for. Resting a bit easier now and looking forward to giving it a go.

You're very welcome. I've been vaping about nine months now but I remember being nervous I was going to do it all wrong or cause some sort of hazmat situation at the start of things. Neither has happened. You're asking the right questions, the ones that everyone should be asking at the start of their vaping journey.

Thanks! Do you or anyone else have a recommendation for a current e cig that is still simple but might be a bit more advanced, eg, holds more liquid etc? Also any recommendations for good stores that are highly regarded on here? I just feel like I'm 5 years behind everyone ordering from where I did and buying what I did lol. Still cost me just over a hundred bucks as well lol.

I like my Innokin Itaste MVP 2. It has a battery that will last days, variable voltage/variable wattage (so you can increase or decrease the heat coming into your coil in order to get the flavor/vapor you prefer) and a few other bells and whistles that come in handy. For a tank, I like the new Kanger Aerotank Mega (the Kanger Aerotank Mini is good too).

There are lots of other things that are good to use, as you'll discover, but I would consider that a nice "stepping stone" setup when you're looking to upgrade. For now, get to know the gear you have and what you like in a vape, as that will help you make informed decisions that fit *your* vaping style when you're ready.

 

[DingerCPA]

Damn, that's some quick replies, cheers guys.

Thanks! Do you or anyone else have a recommendation for a current e cig that is still simple but might be a bit more advanced, eg, holds more liquid etc? Also any recommendations for good stores that are highly regarded on here? I just feel like I'm 5 years behind everyone ordering from where I did and buying what I did lol. Still cost me just over a hundred bucks as well lol.

I'm not sure who all ships internationally, but items I might recommend you look for would include the iTazte VV3 or iTazte MVP2. The VV3 is an 800 maH battery with a USB charging passthrough; the MVP2 is 2600 maH, with both the charging passthrough as well as a USB output with which you can charge other devices. Don't know if you can have your MVP plugged in and have it charge another device simultaneously - never tried, never asked...

The VV3 is a stick with square edges; MVP almost the size of a deck of cards (or a pack of cigarettes). MVP is a little heavier, but one can get used to the heft. Variable Voltage/Variable Wattage (VV/VW) means that you can vary power settings to your liking.

Check out the user Baditude - he has a number of blogs discussing Ohms law and whatnots to help explain how this all works. As far as toppers, I personally have EVOD tanks, a Kanger Mini ProTank 2, and I just recently got a Kayfun Clone. The EVODs and the Mini ProTank 2 have replaceable/rebuildable (that's a whole OTHER discussion) heads. The Kayfun is strictly rebuildable. EVODs/Mini PT2 have about a 1.6 mL capacity. Others will tout other toppers, and they all have respective followers. Depending on the flavors of juice you like, you would want to consider a glass or stainless steel tank as certain juices have been known to damage plastic tanks. I've only lost one EVOD to a "tank-cracker" juice, so I've been quite lucky (or I just don't pick the ones that are potentially damaging?)

Here's one each of my MVP and VV3. I laid a sharpie pen next to it so you can get an idea of the scale

If I had to do this all over again, I would have skipped the cig-a-likes and a couple of the intermediate eGo-styles and gone straight to the VV3 and/or MVP2. BUT, this is just *ME*. Different things work for different people.....

 

[Dayglow]

Cheers mate. The decision to quit has really snuck up on me actually. Just sick of all the things that smoking brings with it like everyone on here I guess, or most people on here. I am tempted to order the 11mg now for fear of coughing my lung up, head spins and vomiting with the 18mg, but that adds a additional $20 postage fee coming from china, as you say it really is a shame it's so bad in this country for e cigs, not surprising really tho considering netflix isn't even available here and is geo blocked STILL lol.

I would avoid ordering from no name places in China as you can never tell what's going on with quality control on liquids there. The postage rate is why I was saying you ought to make bulk orders periodically to stock up. Once you find the direction you'd like to go and the funds to play around you can order a handful of tanks and devices as well as the stuff to maintain them in addition to liquid. Mess around with them for a while and if any just don't jive with you then you can resell them to a friend who wants to quit or on Aussievapers. Get tight with some people on here and I'm sure we've all got some extra stuff kicking around we'd send out.

 

[k702]

Hi Mick and welcome to ECF!

The Joyetech 510 starter kit looks almost identical to the kit that I started with and it got me off the analogs although I have since upgraded my gear. I can't speak about Heaven's Gift as I have never used them.

The nicotine that would be really harmful would be the 100% stuff used to make your own DIY juices so no, if you were to spill a whole bottle of your juice on yourself, you won't melt. However, I would immediately wash the clothes that got juice on them and take a shower just to be on the safe side.

As far as I've seen you can't actually procure 100% nicotine extract... The highest amount you can get on any of the DIY sites is still diluted in vg or pg.

Yes, nicotine is dangerous, and you would certainly hope your bottles have child-proof caps on them. Do consider keeping things out of reach - especially if you have pets. My juices are in a toolbox with a lid that snaps shut (no kids, but 2 cats and a dog). But, I don't think spilling a bottle on yourself would be disastrous. Just wipe it up and wash your hands. The nicotine could burn any open cuts or scratches you might have. The little amount that would be in your cartridges would not be disastrous either.

Dangerous is a strong word. A plastic bag is dangerous...

Nic will absorb through the skin.. only not as efficiently as when vaped, and when vaping we get much less then when smoking. So if you spill a whole bottle on your hands and are no where near a source of water to wash them off with then you would probably get a bit of a nic "high" for a little while. That and nasty oily hands.

Nic can truly be dangerous when, like Dinger said, you have kids or pets. Smaller bodies means less is needed to make them sick.

In general keep things clean and for the most part put up where little ones can't get to them.. and you will be A-OK


I worry that more and more people who might see the "vaping" exposés on various news channels lately will be afraid of/worried about e liquid without much cause..

 

[jstjoehere]

Alot of people start with joytech and some stay with it. Sounds like your nicotine in your juice is about right. If you can get the cravings satisfied with the 18mg and just keep the 24 for those bad days. Keep in mind the nicotine will not take effect as quick from vaping as from smoking because well there isnt another 1000 poisons in vapor. And vapor isnt as fine as smoke so we absorb it just a bit slower. No your not gonna get high off of it unless you really really really try hard at most you will get a small head rush lol. The only nicotine you really have to be concerned about is the pure stuff what already mixed more than likely isnt going to harm you. Advanced devices...I like having airflow control and variable voltage/wattage it just allows you to really get a great vape. If you like the joytech stick with it theres nothing wrong with that. Main thing is do what suits your needs to stay off of real cigs. Hang in there and good luck

 

[v1k1ng1001]

I will just straight up say that as a 1-2 pack-a-day smoker, you're probably going to find your new equipment inadequate. I say this not to rain on your parade but rather to encourage you to think about getting some better equipment to keep you off cigs. Once you get the equipment and juices that satisfy you, you'll not think about smoking a cig again.

As others have said, something like an MVP 2 (awesome device) and a tank system will be more satisfying. The next question is finding juices in Australia.

 

[The Ministry]

Welcome to the forums

Your choices are great to get you off the smokes, which is the end game really.

Hope it works out for you and you find something that satisfies you enough to walk away from smoking.

I don't get a hit off my e-cigs, nothing like that first ciggie of the day for example, but what I found early doors is that it almost removes the cravings (or did for me - few weak moments early doors but I just vaped more). A lot of that was the hand to mouth action, and the vapour, plus a nicotine hit. It "smoothed" me out, rather than me getting a hit. Really made quitting effortless for me though, and I hope the same is true for you! Still a certain amount of willpower needed, but I made the transition from smoking to vaping once my first Ego device was charged.

Good luck

 

[Rat2chat2]

to ecf mick500 . You've gotten some great answers so I will just tell ya that with so much information here, I know it can be overwhelming. Just about every question you google about vaping will lead you to some wonderful person here. Always someone to help. Good luck to you and happy vaping.

 

[jaxgator]

As far as I've seen you can't actually procure 100% nicotine extract... The highest amount you can get on any of the DIY sites is still diluted in vg or pg.

Thanks k702. I really wasn't sure if there was something that was 100%. I think what I was actually trying to say was 100mg per ml. I believe that is the highest content I have seen for DIY.