Having a issue

[PureEvil]

So I watched some reviews online, decided to go with a 2 piece (I know all of you are hardcore about the 3 piece and the liquids, but I didn't want to go that route yet) anyway.... I went with a brand called ZeroCig, got the starter pack for like $20 and it was ok but I went ahead and order some more stuff from them. I got the new batteries, cases, and refills today and was really impressed with the amount of vapor. Plus it has the feel of a real cig so all that is going real good.

My only issue is it seems to be lacking something, when I inhale I feel nothing. So I will vape for like 30 mins and right away want to light up a real one, it just doesn't feel like I actually inhaled anything so the craving never goes away. Is there anyway to get that feeling from a e-cig? or do I just have to try and deal with the emptiness when I inhale?

This seems to be the only thing holding me back from going all out, I cant bring myself to leave the house without a pack of analogs along with my e-cig. Iam trying hard to make the switch, but the empty feeling I get when I inhale is the only thing stopping me. Any help with this would be appreciated.


Thank You,
PureEvil

 

[Rickajho]

It largely comes down to the liquids. It sounds like you are using pre-filled cartos - whch might be filled with anything. When selecting liquids the general rule is to increase the amount of PG in the mix to get a greater sense of throat hit, increase the amount of VG to produce more vapor. Nicotine level impacts all this as well. The lower the nicotine level the less the throat hit. There are other possible issues you are experiencing:

First you will have to accept that vaping is not smoking. Nothing is being burned so vaping will never taste or feel the same as smoking. You may just be going though an adjustment phase - figuring out what vaping is, and is not.

The other matter is what vaping style are you using? Inhaling the same as you smoked isn't all that effective. You may not be drawing on your e-cig long enough and hard enough to get the amount of vapor you need. It's more like sucking on a straw to get a lot of vapor into your mouth, rather than a straight-shot inhale into your lungs like with a cigarette. There are videos on ecf and You Tube showing vaping technique.

 

[CES]

Welcome to ECF PureEvil

it looks like the zero cig express kit comes with 18 mg/ml nicotine, so the nicotine level may be ok. Many people need 18-24 mg/ml when they first start. I needed 24 mg/ml, so it's possible that the nicotine concentration isn't quite high enough. Others use mint, menthol or cinnamon flavors to increase the feeling at the back of the throat (throat hit) and the sense of inhaling into the lungs. Fruit and dessert flavors often don't have the same sensation.

There can be a bit of a learning curve when switching from combustible cigs to e-cigs, and a LOT of information to learn. Some of us needed a longer transition time to completely switch to e-cigs (it took me 6 weeks) . Usually a longer, slower draw works better, and inhaling first into the mouth and then into the lungs instead of the direct inhale that is more familiar with combustible cigs. Perhaps that's because most of the nicotine is absorbed in the mouth and nose rather than the lungs with e-cigs.

You may eventually find that the style of e-cig that you bought isn't quite what you need. I still use a two-piece system, but with a larger battery, and a different style of cartomizer. You'll probably get many specific suggestions about alternatives.

Whether or not you choose to stay with the brand that you bought, give yourself some time to get used to vaping. it isn't quite the same as smoking, and not everyone switches completely right away. Give yourself some time, keep reading, keep posting, and keep vaping. Even if the switch isn't complete on day one, every cig avoided is a win.

Good luck

 

[Paulette]

Welcome to the forum PureEvil!

What I am going to tell you is only my opinion! You are not going to get the satisfaction from an electronic cigarette unless you invest in some "good" equipment (device). My first advice to anyone wanting to try vaping is that they cannot buy these type of e-cigs that they sell in the mall or at your local 7-11. If you do, you will most certainly (and rapidly) go back to your analogs!

I went to the ZeroCig site and saw their kit for $19.99. While I have not tried this e-cig, it is the type they sell at the mall kiosks.

When I first started vaping 11 months ago, I did invest in a tornado-t kit (with some juice) that cost me about $80.00; and it was the best decision of my life. You can now get some fine starter kits for less than that.

If you are willing to try this, let me know and I will make a few recommendations. Please don't give up; but instead buy a little more advanced kit.

 

[recidivus]

It's most likely coming from the refills. What you're looking for is what we call "Throat hit", and there's a few things that contribute.

How are you drawing? Take long, slow pulls, not shorter puffs like a regular cigarette. You could also try direct inhales, pulling in with lungs rather than tongue so the vapour doesn't have a chance to cool down in your mouth first (this can feel quite scratchy and you may notice less vapour).

Nicotine. Higher nic content gives more TH. I don't personally know at what mg it becomes significantly unnoticeable, but I've read somewhere here: below 18mg.

Obviously you don't want to increase nicotine just for TH though (and they only offer up to 18 any ways), so now we have to look at other ingredients.

Judging by your description of big clouds, I'd guess they are using a higher VG ratio. Simply put:
VG=More Vapour, less TH, muted flavour.
PG=Less vapour, more TH (it's a mild irritant), enhanced flavour.

Another possible source will be coming from lower voltage from the battery. Higher voltage will create more heat, hotter vapour hits your throat harder. It's not quite that clear cut, as there's the resistance of the coils to take into account also, but that's the basics.

Unfortunately, without looking into filling your own cartomizers you're going to be left with their offering of prefilled. This is how these companies keep return customers. I notice they aren't listing their PG/VG ratios, or offer a choice to adjust them. It is entirely possible that you could refill theirs with your own liquid also, though it will probably be a bit clunky and is not a sure bet. If the zerocig uses a non-proprietary/non-standard threading then you're also left with what they have to offer.

I'm not sure what 3 piece units you're referencing? I've only used 2 pieces. Unless you are counting a drip tip or removable battery. You have the main body, and a liquid feed. If you consider buying a new battery you'll want to look into either 808 or 510 threading, they are the most common and there's adapters for both to both, which will give you many more options.

 

[PureEvil]

Ok just tried this tip: "pulling in with lungs rather than tongue so the vapour doesn't have a chance to cool down in your mouth first" and that made for a much stronger TH!

As for some of the other tips:
I do smoke menthol so already have that one covered.
I'am always interested in new products.
I actually got the 11mg on the new stuff I ordered, but might go back to the 18mg on the next order.

Other facts about me:
Iam a truck driver, so I smoke a ton... Prolly 2+ packs a day of Camel Menthol Full flavor, and just switched to them because they are stronger then my newports were.

Iam working in the oil fields, so you cant smoke on any oil site.

My mom hates that I smoke but seems to like the idea of a e-cig lol (yes a 30 year old man still cares about his mom's opinion)

I like smoking, I like everything about it and have no desire to quit. The point of the e-cigs is so I can increase the amount of places I can do it. I want to smoke or vape 24/7 and thats stupid, but I like it and it makes me happy.


Thanks guys getting some great info here,
PureEvil

 

[JessyDrastic]

i tried some of those 'Zero Cig' types and can totally see why people get turned off from vaping because of them. the pre-filled cartridges are just not going to cut it if you are looking for the best vape experience..
now that i have my eGos and tons of yummy juices, i love vaping more than i ever "liked" smoking... once you get the right set up you will be amazed at how easy it is to give up the smokes..!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

My only issue is it seems to be lacking something, when I inhale I feel nothing. So I will vape for like 30 mins and right away want to light up a real one, it just doesn't feel like I actually inhaled anything so the craving never goes away. Is there anyway to get that feeling from a e-cig? or do I just have to try and deal with the emptiness when I inhale?

What I treasure most when I vape is the TH and lung hit. The only way to get that "hit" is to increase your nic level. Most new vapers begin at 18 or 24 mg. I was 1 PAD for 44 yrs and began on 36. As you can see below I'm now down to 2 mg. PG will also enhance TH. Prefilled cartos really don't offer much choice in regards to PG/ VG ratios. Nothing wrong with upping your nic if it keeps you off the stinkies and coming from a 2 PAD habit is not easily replaced with 11 or maybe even 18 nic.
Best of Luck.

 

[PureEvil]

ok gotta be honest here, all of your guys terms kinda turn me off to e-cigs.. Vaping, juices, Throat hit lol just saying.


But on a serious note, this isnt the first E-cig I tried. I got some of those pre-packaged 1 time use ones,They sucked hardcore. Other then the TH issue the Zero-Cigs are pretty impressive. Tons of vapor, easy draw, and a great price. The menthol could be stronger, but I say that about Newports and Camel too lol.




Keep the tips coming, learning a lot here!

 

[MiamiMom63]

Nice to meet you, PureEvil. I'm glad you are trying to get off the cigarettes. I'm not trying to be real negative but you probably won't get alot of relief from the e-cig you bought. You can try but please don't let it discourage you to the point that you think all e-cigs are like that and that it won't work for you. What I recommend for newbies (and I have them myself and use them every day at work) are the KGO's. EGO's are good too. HoosierEcigSupply sells a starter kit of 2 batteries with a charger and a couple of atomizers for about $43. The battery will last you pretty much all day long and you have a 2nd battery to use while the first one is charging at night. The battery is also much stronger and the throat hit and vapor is much stronger, so it will be more satisfying for you. That's just my two cents and what I recommend to the people I've gotten off the stinkies. Best of luck to you! Vaping can be alot of fun and I hope you enjoy it and get the pleasure from it that the rest of us have had. Just remember if you ever get to where it's not satisfying you and you want an analog, there is something else to try out there whether its the battery, or the cartomizer, or the juice. Keep trying new things until you find what satisfies you.

 

[Skibadabomski]

Thats why they are allowed in the supermarkets. Like the rest of the junk in supermarkets.. Imagine if they had mods and testers and e-liquids in every shop and promoted it. Everyone would quit smoking.

They offer designs to lure you to say " tried the electric ones and they don't work for me sorry"

An analog is a crappy design. Here there a hundreds of members that will help you design a much better and tastier and powerful design that will save you money.

This is their trick.. you hear about it, you say " go on then, I'll give it a whirl " buy the cheap ones and see what the fuss is about and be put off in no time.

Everyone who tries my device wants to get one. Thats the problem you see.. you need to toke on a good throat hitting device for a day or two and then you watch how someone will have to pry it out of your hands.

Anyway like everyone else says, get a half descent mod... the difference is life changing.

 

[recidivus]

ok gotta be honest here, all of your guys terms kinda turn me off to e-cigs.. Vaping, juices, Throat hit lol just saying.

I could post a list of cigarette additives (if the forums would let a post go that long?), but I'm sure they woouldn't make you stop smoking...they're just words . You don't have to use them but it helps make common points easier for everyone to understand. Two words versus several sentences of description, it's just ease of use. You can call em/it whatever you like really, most of us will grasp the general idea easily enough.

 

[icehunter]

Welcome PureEvil
I get where youre coming from i am new to vaping as well 3 months now have tried 2 different 2 E-cig that look like the real thing before moving on to a more advance version and here is where it differs from what the more experienced peep are say.
The one that look like a regular cig and seem to drew the same are good to an extent they cover off the psychological part of smoking a real Cig as it look and feel the same and they give you some of the sensation the vapor / and nicotine but they don't tend to have the high nicotine level you are use to or the heat.

I was on the high strength from the start and it was too much so on my next refill i dropped to medium but that was way too little so i was struggling to stay with the E-cig .

This is where i got a bit of advice from the people on here and it made all the difference .
I worked out that the refill pack for the regular look alike e-cig was costing me loads even more than a pack of regular cig as i was going through more of the cartos/refills then i should be in fact if there claims of 1 carto/refill is like a full pack i was going up to 40 a day from 10 a day . so i went and got a kit from a here The VE Riva 1100 Deluxe Kit £34.95 - Deluxe Vaping Kits - Riva 1100 Kit Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid
Recommended to me by Chrissie who really knows there stuff
Found out 4 thing
1:It was working out cheaper as i was not going thought the carto or refills as much .
2:buy been able to choose the level of nicotine it help stop the craving a lot more .
3: i was getting a lot i mean a lot more vapor than on the E-cig look alike or as they know here E-cig Minis.
4: there is a million different flavour out there to try

i understand there is a load of new terms to get your head round i am still learning but now look at it more of a hobby and am enjoying my vapor experience more than i ever did a real cig .

have you tried refilling the cartos/refill that come with the E-cig mini e you have with Juice from a supplier i am sure the people here can point you to a good supplier also worth watching a few vids on Youtube

A PBusardo Tutorial : Filling Boge 510 Cartomizers - YouTube

As to the different terms i going to credit vapor eyes for this info a very helpful member

Juice Components
Flavoring usually about 15%
PG enhances flavor, TH and lung hit- water like
VG= vapor and can mute flavor- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH and lung hit.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG.

Different delivery systems:
atomizer/ atty- an element onto which 3-4 drops of juice is dripped

cartridge/ cart- a container with sponge (filled with juice) that is used with the atty- juice drips on to atty from cart and is vaporized

cartomizer/ carto- metal tube with stuffing and element.

carto+tank- a carto with a hole punched in it. Carto is then placed in a glass, metal or plastic tank which is filled with juice- juice
saturates carto by way of hole in carto.

Clearomizer- a plastic or metal tank with a wick and element. Contains NO stuffing.

Cartomizer will last about 1 week.

Clearomizer lasts about 3-4 weeks but must be washed every few days. The rebuildable clearomizers have replaceable heads- unscrew old head and screw in new head- takes about 10 secs.

Hang in there i am sure you find the right solution for you any questions just ask people here are very helpful.

Sorry for the long post

 

[kscoggins]

So I watched some reviews online, decided to go with a 2 piece (I know all of you are hardcore about the 3 piece and the liquids, but I didn't want to go that route yet) anyway.... I went with a brand called ZeroCig, got the starter pack for like $20 and it was ok but I went ahead and order some more stuff from them. I got the new batteries, cases, and refills today and was really impressed with the amount of vapor. Plus it has the feel of a real cig so all that is going real good.

My only issue is it seems to be lacking something, when I inhale I feel nothing. So I will vape for like 30 mins and right away want to light up a real one, it just doesn't feel like I actually inhaled anything so the craving never goes away. Is there anyway to get that feeling from a e-cig? or do I just have to try and deal with the emptiness when I inhale?

This seems to be the only thing holding me back from going all out, I cant bring myself to leave the house without a pack of analogs along with my e-cig. Iam trying hard to make the switch, but the empty feeling I get when I inhale is the only thing stopping me. Any help with this would be appreciated.


Thank You,
PureEvil

Hey PE,
1. I'm curious about the origins of your name
2. Obviously, nothing is going to be exactly like burning tobacco. I keep trying to find good "cigarette" flavor juices, and it's just never going to be the same. I've found though, in just a couple of months that I'm wanting a "cigarette replacement" less. I had to keep analogs on me for a while -- I switched to Eclipse because they don't actually burn the tobacco and I used those as my replacement when I just needed to feel like I was smoking. Again, after a very short time I don't feel like I need them.
3. I know I'm saying the same thing everyone else says, but a better device is worth looking into. By getting something where you can change "power" by using higher voltage, or lower resistance coils, you get more of a warm vapor sensation which may help feeling like a real smoke. It's also better because you can buy tanks that hold more liquid, and spare batteries, etc. so you're always ready. I found the anxiety of running out of battery or juice was keeping me smoking.
Good luck, and keep it up! In the couple of months I've been analog-free, I've gotten my wife and several people at work onto the e-cigs and we're all learning together.

 

[PureEvil]

Hey PE,
1. I'm curious about the origins of your name
2. Obviously, nothing is going to be exactly like burning tobacco. I keep trying to find good "cigarette" flavor juices, and it's just never going to be the same. I've found though, in just a couple of months that I'm wanting a "cigarette replacement" less. I had to keep analogs on me for a while -- I switched to Eclipse because they don't actually burn the tobacco and I used those as my replacement when I just needed to feel like I was smoking. Again, after a very short time I don't feel like I need them.
3. I know I'm saying the same thing everyone else says, but a better device is worth looking into. By getting something where you can change "power" by using higher voltage, or lower resistance coils, you get more of a warm vapor sensation which may help feeling like a real smoke. It's also better because you can buy tanks that hold more liquid, and spare batteries, etc. so you're always ready. I found the anxiety of running out of battery or juice was keeping me smoking.
Good luck, and keep it up! In the couple of months I've been analog-free, I've gotten my wife and several people at work onto the e-cigs and we're all learning together.

Its a Ironic name, and have used it for years: my real name is: Matthew Mark Luke Johns - Now does PureEvil make sense =P


Also, ok see if you guys can put a list together for me and I will try a more advanced version. Here is what Iam looking for:

Very Strong menthol flavor (not mint, menthol)
Strongest TH I can get
Good Vapor
Decent Price

What would it take to get this?

 

[KuroCz]

...
I like smoking, I like everything about it and have no desire to quit. The point of the e-cigs is so I can increase the amount of places I can do it. I want to smoke or vape 24/7 and thats stupid, but I like it and it makes me happy.

::golf clap:::

Very Strong menthol flavor (not mint, menthol)
Strongest TH I can get
Good Vapor
Decent PricePureEvil

I'd have to say that you should have a look at a ego-c twist, it's bigger than a cig-alike, but being able to dial the voltage will alter how the vape tastes, and you can get a good throat hit from 12/18/24mg imho. Being a trucker, I'd also recommend having a look at some of the longer lasting solutions out there like tanks/clearos, gripper mods and bottom feeders. Not to just hit you with more jargon, but there's alot more options here than just kings, 100's, regular, lights, or ultra lights

For flavor, and I smoked cigs, then cigars, you can try finding a good menthol replacement, but all the juices I've tried that have 'tobacco' flavor, taste like socks... But taste is totally subjective. I'd recommend on your quest for the right taste, to also pick up some flavors you'd like (coffee (though this one is elusive too), fruits, drinks) that aren't tobacco. For me, apple pancake tastes worlds better than apple/socks(tobacco)

Ya know, what you may want to do is repost your question asking for solutions for a trucker, that should get you some great kit advice from LongHaul.

 

[Paulette]

A short and quick answer here -- I would get at least TWO eco-c Twist 900mah batteries (the 900's are much shorter than the 1000, and only a little longer than the 650mah) and a couple 3.5ml vivi novas.

Also, since you're a truck driver, perhaps you might want to get an innokin i-taste battery (the new 510-connection version) because they are pass-throughs and you would be able to vape at the same time you were charging the battery in your truck.

I have all of these devices and am quite pleased with them.

 

[KuroCz]

... you might want to get an innokin i-taste battery (the new 510-connection version) because they are pass-throughs and you would be able to vape at the same time you were charging the battery in your truck.

I have all of these devices and am quite pleased with them.

I'm looking hard at the itaste as a recommendation for a family member, and as a personal backup for my backup, any big downsides to it you've found?

 

[kscoggins]

Its a Ironic name, and have used it for years: my real name is: Matthew Mark Luke Johns - Now does PureEvil make sense =P


Also, ok see if you guys can put a list together for me and I will try a more advanced version. Here is what Iam looking for:

Very Strong menthol flavor (not mint, menthol)
Strongest TH I can get
Good Vapor
Decent Price

What would it take to get this?

Ah, I was curious about the name because I know some gamers who associate with that same name (which I'm sure is fairly common but thought I'd throw it out there).

That said, you might want to check out Electronic Cigarette | E Cig Liquid | Totally Wicked E Cigs -- they have the eGo, etc. with their branding on it (nice little "devil" icon on them I've tried their menthol and liked it.
As someone else said, look into the passthrough batteries -- if you're going to be in the truck you won't have to worry about batteries dying.
The only other thing I'll throw out there for now, and I'm sure it'll open up a can of worms -- is the liquid. If you're really struggling with wanting an analog, one thing that worked wonders for me is WTA (whole tobacco alkaloid) juice. Basically, instead of distilling out all but pure nicotine and re-adding it to flavor, WTA maintains some other components of tobacco. There is a lot of debate on the use of the stuff, as it's considered more "harmful" than regular nicotine juice, but I think most agree it's less harmful than smoking.
Anyway, there are forums here dedicated to it so read up first, but for me the stuff from Aroma Ejuice Manufacturer of WTA Whole Tobacco Alkaloid Eliquid helped me quit analogs. I just kept in mind that I couldn't use it all the time, just for the bad cravings.

 

[Strigoi]

The battery will last you pretty much all day long and you have a 2nd battery to use while the first one is charging at night.

You do not want to let a battery charge over night. Leaving them unattended while charging isn't the greatest idea either. These batteries can and have gassed/blown up while charging.

It's a good idea to do some research on battery safety before using e-cigs as well.