HCigar VT200

[cimon]

Its official hcigar statement guys.

Ill put it that way. I had two HB50 in past and there was NO PROBLEMS with 510 Brass threading (best mods ever had). With VT40 its slighty diffrent situation becauce of construction 510 threading is PART OF FRAME (pretty shollow frame). Weve been told that Brass itself is really high quality and probably its true (use same type of Brass in VT200). So if we put these two together (HQ VT40 Brass and separate 510 HB50 connector) we gonna get like proper 510 with great contuctivity which can be hard as cheap Stainless Steel connector. Thats what I understand, thats the fact. I had all of these boxes and still have some of it, so I personally will sit comfy and wait for my VT200.

 

[cimon]

Magic BLUE (looks diffrent each photo). Once i hate it - once i love it!

 

[Dobo]

And there's a pointed answer on the same picture from the user:

"The problem is that the thread does not have to have good conductivity. The thread has to be strong (and the brass is not). What must have good conductivity is the pin, which should be copper."

Its official HCigar statement guys.

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Ill put it that way. I had two HB50 in past and there was NO PROBLEMS with 510 Brass threading (best mods ever had). With VT40 its slighty diffrent situation becauce of construction 510 threading is PART OF FRAME (pretty shollow frame). Weve been told that Brass itself is really high quality and probably its true (use same type of Brass in VT200). So if we put these two together (HQ VT40 Brass and separate 510 HB50 connector) we gonna get like proper 510 with great contuctivity which can be hard as cheap Stainless Steel connector. Thats what I understand, thats the fact. I had all of these boxes and still have some of it, so I personally will sit comfy and wait for my VT200.

 

[Croak]

That whole "threads don't need good conductivity" mindset is still thinking about voltage drop, instead of measurement accuracy. The whole wiring loop on a TC mod is important, not just the one-way flow of electrons from the 510 positive pin to a coil that mech users fuss about.

Think of the positive and ground paths on a TC mod as data lines, where you want the cleanest signal possible, rather than just a pipeline that throws power at a coil, and you might begin to understand why high conductivity/low resistance can be important. Dirty signal, dirty results, garbage in, garbage out.

 

[cimon]

Its getting too hot! I wanna see like VaporShark vs VT200 real fight (deep review). Specially in TC mode (accuracy ect.).

EScribe seems to be a perfect tool to compare these two (ohm accuracy, battery working, power drops ect.). I hope we can visual Brass vs SS difference (spec.) that way.

 

[Mad Scientist]

That whole "threads don't need good conductivity" mindset is still thinking about voltage drop, instead of measurement accuracy. The whole wiring loop on a TC mod is important, not just the one-way flow of electrons from the 510 positive pin to a coil that mech users fuss about.

Think of the positive and ground paths on a TC mod as data lines, where you want the cleanest signal possible, rather than just a pipeline that throws power at a coil, and you might begin to understand why high conductivity/low resistance can be important. Dirty signal, dirty results, garbage in, garbage out.

Resistivity of a chunk of stainless the volume of a 510 connector is measured in micro-ohms. Something like 5 to maybe 10 micro-ohms. It is not significant on its own and certainly not significant compared to brass.

The significant difference is in contact resistance. Once brass tarnishes, it's contact resistance increases. It is not a good substance to make 510 connectors out of for either TC or mech mods.

One reason the pin is of such concern is the contact resistance. The mechanical connection to the pin is not as tight as in the 510 threads so any tarnish or other oxidation has a much greater effect. The pin should be gold plated, like on the rDNA 40. Atty pins should also be gold plated. Silver plating is good for high power RF which has to deal with skin effect of the signal through a conductor and silver is cheaper than gold. We don't deal with high power RF when vaping. The only reason atty pins are silver plated is some knucklehead read somewhere that silver is a good conductor and that hype and folklore spread far and wide enough to have tons of attys with silver plated pins that tarnish like crazy. That's the garbage in /garbage out of the vaping equation. Circuit board fingers have been (and still are) gold plated since basically the dawn of circuit boards for a reason. The reason is contact resistance, not resistivity of the material. If resistivity of the material were the important factor for the clean signals you mention, data cables would be made with gold wire. They are not -- not even mil spec. Other than contact resistance, it just doesn't matter that much.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Its official HCigar statement guys.

Yea..it's official alright, peeps are PISST!

Shenzhen Hcigar Technology Co., Ltd. - Shenzhen, Guangdong - Health/Medical/Pharmaceuticals | Facebook

First comment, "(Nick Gilmore) Also anyone can create a spreadsheet to favor their choice and you even got that wrong. I don't know what kind of crack you smoke in China but it's some good sh@$"

Second comment, "(Dan James) I can understand if the centrepin of the 510 was brass but the threading needs to be 316 stainless steel. brass 510 treads on theVT40 was a deal breaker for me. Sx mini,ipv2,3,4 and lost vape mods all have stainless steel 510 threads Hcigar makes nice mods then fits brass 510."

The reviewers should wait a month or more and heavily use the mod before giving a full review of it. Only then are we gonna know if it's worth anything at all?

 

[Monoxxide]

lol at people still trying to justify a damn brass threaded connector, hello 2015...you guys are stuck somewhere in 2013.
Is it because you preordered the thing or because you wanted it to be a awesome mod, just like i was hoping?

Its like that guy on vaping chronicles review trying to justify it with stating 90% of the 'truly high end' mods are brass, hence the "trully" high end so it looks like he knows wat he talking about. The reviewer jumped on it real quick with a "i agree".
So i looked real quick at some high end ones i know the name of, they might not be "trully" though.

Stickman SS and aircraft, galaxy mod SS, wapari SS, jpm mods SS, zero dna SS, pandora mod SS, Dropbox SS, Kitchen mod SS, Stratum SS, Harukan SS, Blackrose SS, Sunbox SS, SVA box SS, Lukkos SS, twotonian SS, beck mods SS, taxeusz SS, Tartos by VC SS . Agree there are some that got brass threading though (gep, geora comes to mind) but far from 90% imho. And those few that got brass threads offer a wonderfull aftercare, thats why they high end...hcigar gives ZERO aftercare on your threads from day 1.

Now im either missing the "trully high end scene" or this guy just mixxed the threads and the contact pin up in his 90%?
Its ok for a reviewer to rush trough his reviews, rather him then me and i take my hat of for m. But if you willingly gonna spread false info in your comments with a "i agree" then we way of of wat you are trying to do....informing the vapers correct.

Je m’en fous

 

[AtmizrOpin]

Hcigar posted on Facebook that they will replace the brass 510 with a heavy duty cardboard. So relax guys. Gee whiz.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Stay tuned for the SS upgrade....we could very well be hearing it soon.

My source says that they're being hammered by complaints.

 

[Cotay]

Stay tuned for the SS upgrade....we could very well be hearing it soon.

My source says that they're being hammered by complaints.

That would be good news. I ordered a VS DNA200 today to replace the VT200 I was going to cancel. Now I will hold off cancelling for a few days and see if anything comes of the complaints.

 

[Petabread]

That would be good news. I ordered a VS DNA200 today to replace the VT200 I was going to cancel. Now I will hold off cancelling for a few days and see if anything comes of the complaints.

I hope you used the 20% off Labor Day code for the VS!

 

[Cotay]

I hope you used the 20% off Labor Day code for the VS!

Of course...I only made the mistake of buying a VS at full retail when I bought my DNA30.

 

[smokewell]

Hcigar has already shipped a few batches. Maybe V2 will come with SS.
I just hope there is a nut on the 510 so I can switch to VT510.

 

[Monoxxide]

Wat color did you take smoke?
Hope the paint will be sticking good, looking at the latest vaporshark pics thats a 200usd fail to.
I kinda love how that blue looks, think it will match great with grey attys but i like everything thats blue lol.
Gonna be the one for me i think, guess we can be sure they gonna upgrade.

 

[smokewell]

Black as always ;-) Maybe I will paint it mat black and get a black 510 too.

 

[cimon]

Thats lastest HCigar answer according to Brass 510. Can someone explain what it means? (do they HAVE TO put brass in there - am I right?)

That could explain my previous question: "Can we easly swap Brass 510 do SS 510?''

So.. is it something between (internal resistance and stable/unstable working?).

What you think?

EDIT:

What Im trying to say is.. maybe upgrade IS NOT POSSIBLE?

 

[Monoxxide]

All other dna200s to date are SS 510 threading, i see no reason why it wouldnt be possible (hell the evolv 510 is SS, those people know best wat they doing its their product).
That last answer you refer to was still with the tought vapers are to stupid to know what they talking about i think.
Its new for them to, dont think they ever had agressive/talking down to/such fuss over a silly connector, when mods cost 50/70 usd people just cant be arsed.
There a few hcigar representatives on FB who are taking the feedback realy serious and are talking with the designer team.

*edit

Oh thats to your question if you can swap it to a SS 510.
They cant say yes you can do that go for it, if they did, they would be responsable if you screw it up wouldnt it?
Lets hope it uses a nut or something so you guys can swap it easy to when and if needed. If no nut i bet some smart people will figur something out anyway if put in the position that its needed.

 

[dwcraig1]

Brass holding up when using heavy tanks? You got to be kidding.

 

[Tpat591]

Had an interesting reply from Shenzhen Hcigar Technology Co., Ltd. to my post on their Facebook page:

(really wish there was a way to edit out the typos in comments on Facebook)