Health Precaution - Face Tension

[Andrew Durocher]

Hello everyone,

I registered to this site because I found a post on google regarding something that I was going through. Unfortunatly I can't reply or post to the thread....

The post was regarding Face Tensions or muscle spasms in your face. I am not particularly alergic to a lot of things, as a matter of fact the only things that I am known to be allergenic to is Codeine and Chemical Based Paint. Up until recently (33 years old) That was all that i was aware of being alergenic to.

In the past few years I was perscribed a couple medications to treat an anxiety disorder of mine.

The two medications were:

[h=1]Effexor (venlafaxine) and Aripiprazole (Abilify)[/h]After being curious about having the same effect from smoking E-Ciggerettes I had looked up if there were any commonalities between these 3 things that seemed to have the same effect on my face (tense face muscles). I am assuming its rare, because its hard to find any information on the internet about this.


It seems that All 3 of these (Effexor, Abilify, and E-juice) all have a significant percentage of propylene glycol. Like I said its probably very rare, and it in no way will stop me from using my E-Cig over smoking real ciggerettes. The solution that I have found is that you can smoke flavorless VG Liquid.

Since it seems I cannot reply to threads or Post New Threads in any other categories - consider this my introduction. Just a warning to those who are having facial tensions, slowness in speech or even facial twitches or shoulder pains.

IT IS BETTER TO SMOKE FLAVORLESS VG THEN GO BACK TO DEATH STICKS - IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE.

 

[Susan~S]

Hello and welcome to the forum Andrew. Glad to have you here!

Congratulations on identifying the problem for yourself. I can't say for sure, but there may be flavoring manufacturers that do not use PG as a carrier. The DIY ELiquid Forum may have more information on this should you ever wish to get into mixing your own juice.

 

[bwh79]

I can't say for sure, but there may be flavoring manufacturers that do not use PG as a carrier.

I know at least that nudenicotine.com's flavors are VG-based, because I ordered a couple from them just the other day. You can buy concentrated flavorings for DIY, or they also sell pre-made juice in 30% up to 100% VG, if you want. They don't have too many flavors, though.

 

[Oxytyramine]

The number of high (60%+) to pure VG juices is growing almost daily. As RBAs become more and more the norm, more and more companies are putting effort into their VG heavy juices. Every company I buy from has at least one high VG line, most 75% or higher

 

[rolygate]

IT IS BETTER TO SMOKE FLAVORLESS VG THEN GO BACK TO DEATH STICKS - IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE.

Well done on identifying the factor that could be the source of your problem. As you imply, some of the flavours have PG in them. You can find non-PG flavours though: some have an alcohol or glycerine base. Ask a supplier such as Flavourart or The Perfumer's Apprentice.

If you get a few more posts in here, in this forum, you can then move on to other forums such as the Health section. Just post in someone else's thread.

Please note that you cannot 'smoke' a smoke-free, combustion-free, tobacco-free device such as an ecig: it's designed with the express purpose of avoiding smoke and smoking. It produces a water-based mist and is as far from smoking as use of an asthma inhaler is. You can use an ecig, or vape an ecig.

 

[Charming]

My sympathies for your problem. I have PG issues though different than yours and as a result, I use Virgin Vapors, Vape Dudes Naturals and Johnson Creek who offer 100% VG, all natural/organic with no PG in flavorings. You might wish to give those a try.

 

[Andrew Durocher]

My sympathies for your problem. I have PG issues though different than yours and as a result, I use Virgin Vapors, Vape Dudes Naturals and Johnson Creek who offer 100% VG, all natural/organic with no PG in flavorings. You might wish to give those a try.

Thank you to everyone for their replies. I appriciate all of your feedback and will be looking into all of the flavor options... I had went to a local shop that makes ejuice on the spot for you, which they said they can do MAX VG for me, which their flavoring is PG based, as most of them are, even the slightest amount can effect me.

I am going to look into all the provided options one at a time and bookmark this post for later.

 

[stevegmu]

Those are powerful prescriptions. I wouldn't think it is the tiny amount of PG in them that is the issue. PG is in so many things and in far higher concentrations- like toothpaste and mouthwash...

 

[drunkenbatman]

It seems that All 3 of these (Effexor, Abilify, and E-Juice) all have a significant percentage of propylene glycol. Like I said its probably very rare, and it in no way will stop me

Hey mate! Glad you were able to sort yourself.

I wanted to be clear though that this is an allergy, e.g. you are having an immune response, as when it's used in drugs it's to enhance the solubity of the active ingredients and isn't considered active. Don't want people thinking it'll start giving them ticks.

If you're really allergic to PG, you should look into how much you're taking in every day. Propolyne glycol is in a whole lot of things most people would never assume, yet they don't have reactions, though it's often in smaller quantities. Fast food, candy, deoderant, salad dressings, beer, etc., usually as a solvent for food colorings, and to prevent caking.

The other thing I'd be aware of is you may not have fully found the cause, and might want to watch your flavorings, as it sounds like you're eschewing flavorings because they're often PG-based and not that they might have caused it. There are VG/alcohol flavorings, and often peope will have a reaction, and switch to VG without realizing they're often switching flavorings too. The problem resolves itself, but not necessarily due to the right cause.

I thought I was allergic to ibuprofen for the longest time, and a some years later it turned out I was actually allergic to the coating/coloring used on the pills I'd tried.

 

[Andrew Durocher]

Hi there Drunken Batman

Thanks for your reply. I am going to take this deeply into consideration. Today I purchased 30ML of Flavorless 100%VG as a control to my exparament - things are going well... I think that you may be correct. It could be particular flavors, I dont usually keep too many flavors around maybe 2-3 and usually by the same company.

You very well may be correct, and in no way would I ever way to discourage someone from trying vaping over smoking. I tried everything to quit smoking for years... Vaping helped me quit the DAY OF PURCHASING MY FIRST MECHANICAL MOD - and havent gone back.

Even if I had to choose a small problem like the occasional facial tension - over black lungs.... Obviously I would choose the small problem over the significant one that could kill me.

 

[rolygate]

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Even if I had to choose a small problem like the occasional facial tension - over black lungs.... Obviously I would choose the small problem over the significant one that could kill me.

Congrats on the switch, and on working successfully to find the source of your intolerance issue.

It's probably a minor point here - but wherever we can, we try to inform and prevent people repeating the lies and propaganda promoted by the Public Health industry, since allowing them to get away with lies about others means lies about vaping are more likely to go unchallenged. Also, enabling policy decisions based on commercial connections or even the most ridiculous codswallop is their speciality, and everyone will suffer as a result of their greed and lunacy unless we counter it strongly and continuously.

In connection with this, please note that there is no such thing as 'black lung' or 'smoker's lung' or 'smoker's black lung' etc. The black lungs you see pictured are fabrications, created by taking pig's lungs and dying them black (and even adding tumours - hard lumps - to convince those who are the target of the propaganda). See this page and its list of senior pathologists who denounce this rubbish:

References

scroll down to:
Tobacco Control Industry - fraud
The black lung lie

If it comes from a Public Health source* then you can bet there is a better than 50-50 chance it's a lie - so please be warned.

* And especially from the fake charities run by the pharmaceutical industry as front groups to lobby for policies that protect their revenues.

 

[Andrew Durocher]

I ended up smoking for quite a while on flavourless ejuice... it looks like the PG has no effective co-relation to my face tensions... As a result of this personal exparament I have concluded that I am acctualy not allergenic to PG. And my face tensions have very little to nothing to do with E-Cigs. I had simply drawn a co-relation between medications that I had and the ingridents in E-Cigs. It seems I will have to see a specialist to get the results i am looking for.... And like I said, this more likely has nothing to do with e-cigs and very much to do with anxiety and treatment of anxiety in the rest of my life.

My advice would be to delete this post so that it is not misleading people into believing a possible risk as my exparament has acctually proved otherwise. However I cannot delete my own posts. Otherwise I would have

 

[rolygate]

Glad you found the answer, and it is unrelated to vaping.

On a minor point, please note that you cannot 'smoke' an ecig and neither is it possible to smoke an asthma inhaler or smoke a kettle. An ecig produces mist, and it can be either 'used' or 'vaped'. Thanks.

No need to delete the thread, it may be of use to someone, but we'll close it if the issue is resolved.