Just announced!! Two years+ of human trials

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frogbmth

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Froggy, please join us at Right to vape - Right To vape We're talking about having research carried out but we need all the informed opinion and advice we can get.

I'm in Kate, registered - just got to find my feet in there now. Although my background isnt medicine I can hopefully assist and contribute.

From my experience in forums, often I find there are lots of noob posts answered by a very patient few repeating the same answers over and over, often the seasoned enthusiast posts rarely. There are also issues with certain sections of the community having a lot to say and others feeling uneasy posting their concens and feelings.

I do certainly agree that it is very interesting to hear members feedback and experiences, just be realistic that it isn't going to make a dot of difference to the legal journey we are on.

The real answer IMHO is to get tobacco firms or NRT pharms to embrace the idea of the 'personal atomizer'
 

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The real answer IMHO is to get tobacco firms or NRT pharms to embrace the idea of the 'personal atomizer'

Do you have any background w/ homeopathic? I don't know if you have seen any of my blabbing about that idea... but I am no scientist... and I am curious if this would be a good idea. A couple of manufacturers I have talked to say that this is an option they are extremely interested in pursuing... and I assume the more info I can give them the better.

I have determined that we would need to be 1x or 2x because 5x/6x is just way to diluted and from what I have learned, 1x or 2x is rare... now I am attempting to figure out why.
 

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It would be nice if science could give us some kind of assurance ......but unfortunately I think science will only scare us with all the potential dangers........almost every day there is a new scientific report or study that warns us of the terrible dangers of every food we eat or every chemical we use......scientists are never going to tell us vaping is safe. Science would put a health warning on every single thing on the planet.
 

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Nutrition and supplementation is my thing I am afraid, and it's true that nothing is ever certified 100% safe.

One thing is sure though, it is going to be either expensive or lengthy for things to settle down.

The 'backdoor' route to acceptance is a good one for those with shallow pockets. There are multiple ways to skin a cat.
 

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Nutrition and supplementation is my thing I am afraid, and it's true that nothing is ever certified 100% safe.

One thing is sure though, it is going to be either expensive or lengthy for things to settle down.

The 'backdoor' route to acceptance is a good one for those with shallow pockets. There are multiple ways to skin a cat.

There's a thread on RTV about the homeopathic idea... so if you are ever finding yourself thinking about it... please feel free to add... I will take any suggestions or help there is to offer. My goal is to exhaust that avenue so we can either get a manufacturer to have juice approved so we can all stop worrying about it or I can move on to something else.
 
I heard of e-cig for the first time about two and a half weeks ago. I received my first (e-cigar model) two weeks ago today. I have not had one drag of tobacco since. I was a heavy smoker for about 28 years. I gave up cigarettes about five years ago when I switched to cigars. I smoked an average of 10 a day.

I now have a 901 as well as the e-cigar. I already feel better. I can smell better, breath better, and have more energy.

For me at least, vaping is much better than smoking. I have no desire to ever go back to tobacco.

Now I am trying to figure out how to get an e-cigarette store up and running.
 

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I heard of e-cig for the first time about two and a half weeks ago. I received my first (e-cigar model) two weeks ago today. I have not had one drag of tobacco since. I was a heavy smoker for about 28 years. I gave up cigarettes about five years ago when I switched to cigars. I smoked an average of 10 a day.

I now have a 901 as well as the e-cigar. I already feel better. I can smell better, breath better, and have more energy.

For me at least, vaping is much better than smoking. I have no desire to ever go back to tobacco.

Now I am trying to figure out how to get an e-cigarette store up and running.

Yes I think all of us 'feel' as if vaping is just about as healthy as if we were not inhaling anything at all. .......and I think all the suppliers have probably got involved with e-cigs not just to make some money but because they are smokers who have given up and have developed an absolute passion about the product.
 

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My story means nothing to anyone except me, as you well knew. A million anecdotes are a million nothings. Only scientific studies can help us.

How many times does this need to be said ? Maybe we should have a banner made of that quote and stick it firmly on the Main page of the Forum.
 

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When I get on the e-cig bandwagon, hopefully I'll have totally weaned myself off of analogs and vaping by the two-year mark. Re health issues, I am a bit concerned about the amount of cartridge re-use and DIY I read about. Hopefully its being done under sanitary conditions so as not to introduce a bacterial lung infection from hell.
 

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Thank you, Lacey. Collectively, our stories mean something to all of us. If a red flag were to be raised against e-smoking by users, we would have seen that flag by now. I think this practice is safe in the short-term, and will continue to enjoy it .. and to read others' stories.

I have read a lot of the posts/debates/arguments on here and find it impossible to agree with everybody, that's why I like the idea of forums as they give everyone a chance to share their opinions and even throw in a few facts. I don't agree with everything that Bob says but I would defend to the hilt his right to say it. He also talks a lot of common sense!
Although vapers might be biased they have all found what they believe to be a safer (not proven safe but safer) alternative to the crap they used to inhale. No red flag has been waved as yet and the anti arguments are getting weaker by the day. As it has already been mentioned, long term is a long time and we might well see some horror headlines regarding the long term damage caused by the licensed NRT products such as gum, inhalers, patches and liquids. We all make choices every day and many are based on the old 'educated guess' method, or at worst choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Do we stop using cars because we know that they can be dangerous by polluting the atmosphere and our lungs? Do we close down chemical factories for the same reason? Do we ban cows from farting because of the methane? No, we try to make the best of progress and we are also selfish in that we want our creature comforts. Hopefully we find ways to do it as safely as possible, maybe not guaranteed safe but as safe as possible. We take risks every day but we also try to minimise them and manage them. Vapers should be applauded for taking a responsible stance and not polluting the atmosphere, for reducing the chances of them taking up valuable time and space in hospital wards, for taking responsibility in their own hands and doing something positive. The quicker we can polarise ourselves from tobacco smoking the better as there is still a certain stigma that is trying to cling to us like dog poo on our shoes. Smoking tobacco is one of the most disgusting habits that anyone can have, there I said it!
There are some members of this forum who seem to regularly chastise others for saying the wrong things, such as 'we mustn't claim it helps people to quit smoking' - well I'm sorry but it bloody well does! How many of you have stopped smoking tobacco since you started vaping? I'm not sure how to set up a poll but I'm sure that one of you good people could do it using that very question, 'How many of you have stopped smoking tobacco since you started vaping?'. Instead of us being almost apologetic or secretive or furtive over our clean habit and instead of trying to be so politically correct that we become totally impotent, let's stand up and tell everybody that what we do is better and healthier than smoking tobacco and that we have given up smoking tobacco because of it.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!! :nun: Amen.
Jimi.
 

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I'll pass the ammunition when I know it is true and well proven even if it is banned for any other reason, all we need is scentific prove, not anecdotal, not for us, because we are already taking the risk, but I don't want to encourage somebody to use them and then find that that person is dieing due to my unproven recommendations.

Anecdotal prove can't safe this devices for been banned if this things have a chance is through scientific prove that they are safer than analogs meanwhile we can just keep vaping on our own risk.
 

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I'll pass the ammunition when I know it is true and well proven even if it is banned for any other reason, all we need is scentific prove, not anecdotal, not for us, because we are already taking the risk, but I don't want to encourage somebody to use them and then find that that person is dieing due to my unproven recommendations.

Anecdotal prove can't safe this devices for been banned if this things have a chance is through scientific prove that they are safer than analogs meanwhile we can just keep vaping on our own risk.

All science can possibly do is give us a comparison list of all the chemicals inhaled while vaping compared to the list of chemicals we get from smoking tobacco and a summary of which is the 'least' dangerous thing to do.....they will 'never' say inhaling any chemical is 'safe'. I would not encourage a non-smoker to take up vaping and I would no want teenagers to take up vaping.......but I don't have any problems with my concience about encouraging another 'addicted' smoker to take up vaping.
 

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When I get on the e-cig bandwagon, hopefully I'll have totally weaned myself off of analogs and vaping by the two-year mark. Re health issues, I am a bit concerned about the amount of cartridge re-use and DIY I read about. Hopefully its being done under sanitary conditions so as not to introduce a bacterial lung infection from hell.


That's a great point...
 

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Why do we have nobody here who's been vaping longer than a year? What's happened to them ... 8-o

I'm just shy of a year and counting (and still around :D). Quit the analogues completely in May 2008 and have never looked back.

I truly believe that I could never go back to analogues, simply not an option anymore.

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