Heat + juice delivery

[Thrill]

I have an order of juice on it's way, and the tracking says it should come today, which is awesome! It's a Saturday and I will be here stalking the mailman so I can get it right away. But, it made me wonder...is our juice getting damaged at all by being shipped (or sitting out in the mailbox) during this crazy heat we've been having lately? Just curious as to what others have experienced or what y'all think about this.

I would love to take a half day of vacation in August, telling my boss, "sorry, I have a juice delivery coming today, so I have a date with the mailman!"

 

[doots]

shouldn't be any problems. Enjoy..

 

[Mr.Mann]

Heat is less of an issue than cold. But neither will damage the juice in the delivery.

I thought this was going to be a discussion about attys, cartos and such?! HAHA Get it? Heat + Juice delivery? Sounds like vaping to me!

 

[juicejunky]

It can be a problem. See this thread. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/272731-hot-summer-juice.html

I would suggest if it is hot when you take it out of the envelope, use it up first. The shelf life is drastically shortened if it heats up in the mail. I had to toss about 90 ml of last summer juice this year.

From my experience last year, summer is not the time to create an Armageddon supply. Buy just what you need short term and next year stock up in May for the entire summer.

Heat is less of an issue than cold. But neither will damage the juice in the delivery.

What's the issue with cold?

 

[Mr.Mann]

What's the issue with cold?

"....The flavoring in cold e-liquid tends to separate from other ingredients, significantly reducing the flavor. In addition, if your e-liquid has been left outside in a cold mailbox during winter months, it is highly recommended that you allow it to sit at room temperature for 24 to 48 hours before vaping. This should be ample time for the flavoring to meld back with other ingredients, allowing for optimal results." Quoted from Halo E-Liquid FAQ

I have been told this from other vendors as well. I don't personally believe heat is an issue either, as long as it isn't long term...the same with cold. It just needs to be allowed time to get back to more optimal conditions.

 

[Mr.Mann]

"Yes, we always recommend giving our products a light shake from time to time. This helps to meld the liquid again, particularly if the liquid has gotten cold in transit." JB (Johnny Blaze)

 

[Mr.Mann]

It can be a problem. See this thread. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/272731-hot-summer-juice.html

I would suggest if it is hot when you take it out of the envelope, use it up first. The shelf life is drastically shortened if it heats up in the mail. I had to toss about 90 ml of last summer juice this year.

From my experience last year, summer is not the time to create an Armageddon supply. Buy just what you need short term and next year stock up in May for the entire summer.

Wow, I just saw your thread about the heat. I have never had anything slightly close to that, but I will watch closely. That was truly cooked!

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm so glad you joined in was about to try to find that very thread about this issue!

It can be a problem. See this thread. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/272731-hot-summer-juice.html

I would suggest if it is hot when you take it out of the envelope, use it up first. The shelf life is drastically shortened if it heats up in the mail. I had to toss about 90 ml of last summer juice this year.

From my experience last year, summer is not the time to create an Armageddon supply. Buy just what you need short term and next year stock up in May for the entire summer.




What's the issue with cold?

 

[Disk4mat]

I havent noticed any damaging effects from heat. Which we have plenty of here. When I DIY liquids, I subject it to to much higher temps than outside. For me, it just makes the liquid a bit thinner. After a day at room temp its perfectly fine.

I use caution when opening a bottle that just came from an 112 degree mailbox. A bit of pressure can build up in the bottle and some liquid might ooooze out when opening. But only had that happen one time.

 

[ohai]

It can be a problem. See this thread. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/272731-hot-summer-juice.html

I would suggest if it is hot when you take it out of the envelope, use it up first. The shelf life is drastically shortened if it heats up in the mail. I had to toss about 90 ml of last summer juice this year.

From my experience last year, summer is not the time to create an Armageddon supply. Buy just what you need short term and next year stock up in May for the entire summer.

Those images are really telling, I wonder if you'd mind reposting the pics in this thread for those who are skimming the thread and not inclined to clicking a link.

They certainly got my attention- it's crazy hot here, and I've got some rather large bottles (for me, anyway) on the way.

But ok, you know, this shouldn't come as a huge surprise- I think most of us are aware that warming juice for about an hour helps it to steep faster- obviously, if it's speeding the maturity of the juice, it's shortening the life of the juice. I generally buy in small quantities, so it wouldn't matter, but for long term storage, this could be a pretty significant factor.

 

[juicejunky]

Those images are really telling, I wonder if you'd mind reposting the pics in this thread for those who are skimming the thread and not inclined to clicking a link.

They certainly got my attention- it's crazy hot here, and I've got some rather large bottles (for me, anyway) on the way.

But ok, you know, this shouldn't come as a huge surprise- I think most of us are aware that warming juice for about an hour helps it to steep faster- obviously, if it's speeding the maturity of the juice, it's shortening the life of the juice. I generally buy in small quantities, so it wouldn't matter, but for long term storage, this could be a pretty significant factor.

Sure I'll repost the post here, but the story is important so people realize it was Phoeinix 110 degree heat and not Backwoods Brew that caused the problem.

Doing some pre-Spring cleaning this weekend, I came across a neglected bottle of 5/9/11 BWB Dulce de Leche at 12 mg. This used to be one of my favorite flavors and I was surprised at the color. In my regular stash I have two other bottles of 7/25/11 BWB Dulce at 12mg for which I had lost interest. See the photo below and note the color difference by date.

Guess what the 5/9 lighter version tastes as fantastic as I remember it. The 7/25 versions are much muted and are very, very dark and no longer translucent. All three bottles have been stored in the dark in the same temperature controlled area of my house.

DId the vendor change something? I doubt it. Don at BWB has been a very consistent juice mixer in the year I have used his juice. I remember liking the 7/25 bottles when they arrived and they weren't tar colored. By September they were dark and I stopped vaping them. The difference is the 7/25 were shipped to Phoenix, Arizona in the height of summer heat and most likely baked in shipment. I have a Root Beer from the same shipment that is just as dark and muddy flavored, but no other version to photograph for contrast.

So as a veteran ECF vaper, I would like to warn new vapers that summer is coming and if you can afford it stock up early. If you can't don't stock up in the summer heat-get small bottles you will use up fast. Even if the vendor does everything right delivering your juice to an air conditioned post office or is located in Canada, anywhere along the line it can sit on the tarmac, a hot truck, or as probably in my case an extremely hot mail box outside. Also, as the temperature approaches 80 degrees emergency juice supplies in your car should probably be removed, especially if you live in the south. If you are buying juice in the classified, beware of summer vintage juices.

Next order I am going to reorder some Dulce because the 5/9 version is fantastic. Maybe I'll give Root Beer another shot at well now that I know my current bottle is spoiled because I used to really, really like it.

Just thought I'd share.

 

[judy j]

Interesting. I'm a new vaporer, only been vaporing for 5 months. Trying to learn all I can. Why should it matter if the juice turns dark. Does it affect the flavor?

 

[ohai]

Interesting. I'm a new vaporer, only been vaporing for 5 months. Trying to learn all I can. Why should it matter if the juice turns dark. Does it affect the flavor?

As they age or steep, a lot of juices can experience a color change, while others remain clear, and that's really nothing to worry about- it may or may not be seen in conjunction with a change in flavor, depending on how steeping effects that particular juice- many juices tend to improve with a little time and a slight deepening of color.

What's interesting here is the huge difference in the color based on nothing more than summer heat exposure, and juicejunky did mention that the darker juice (received in July temps) exhibited a muddy taste, while the lighter juice (received in March temps) tasted fine.

 

[Fiamma]

Nicotine will change color and taste in extreme heat. I live on the southern edge of the Mojave Desert. I DIY. I do not bring in nicotine during the heat of summer, I stock up in cooler weather and keep it in the fridge.

Last summer, before I started to DIY all of my juices, I had juice come in in August in 106 degree weather. It did not sit in the mailbox, but it had been subjected to heat all along it's journey in the USPS trucks. It arrived darker than normal and in a period of a month or two it turned nearly black and opague. I won't try to describe the taste. It went down the drain.

 

[ohai]

Ugh, I've got two packages due to arrive next week, with an extra day in transit because of the Fourth. Temps have been 106+ this past week. They shouldn't exceed 100 next, but still, I'm nervous as a cat in a roomful of veterinarians now.

 

[jch419]

Well the juice isn't being affected by direct sunlight, The packaging should keep it just fine. But good question, no worries!

 

[juicejunky]

Ugh, I've got two packages due to arrive next week, with an extra day in transit because of the Fourth. Temps have been 106+ this past week. They shouldn't exceed 100 next, but still, I'm nervous as a cat in a roomful of veterinarians now.

No need to panic, just use it up within a month or so if it arrives hot.

Well the juice isn't being affected by direct sunlight, The packaging should keep it just fine. But good question, no worries!

Direct sunlight has nothing to do with it and packaging won't protect it unless it has some sort of coolant in it. Extreme heat during shipment will shorten the shelf life of the ejuice, so there is a reason to worry in the summer.

 

[daniele25]

I asked about this not too long ago....I live in Phoenix and had a juice order in my mailbox while I was away for 2 days while it 110+ degrees out. One of the ECF vets replied saying they would be fine...and it anything it probably just sped up the steeping process. They suggested making sure they were cooled down before vaping them, but didn't think there should be any problems with the juice at all. I've been vaping them and haven't noticed any issues

 

[juicejunky]

I asked about this not too long ago....I live in Phoenix and had a juice order in my mailbox while I was away for 2 days while it 110+ degrees out. One of the ECF vets replied saying they would be fine...and it anything it probably just sped up the steeping process. They suggested making sure they were cooled down before vaping them, but didn't think there should be any problems with the juice at all. I've been vaping them and haven't noticed any issues

When did you get them? It isn't going to harm you, but with time they may lose some of their flavor and potency faster than they would have without the wait in the mailbox.

My mailbox was one of those outside condo banks in direct sunlight and I picked them up probably an hour after they were placed there midday. No clue on how they were treated during shipment. My case was extreme and the juice looked fine for a month or so before it got muddy.

Another note is that both Dulce and Root beer are fairly sweet ejuices, so maybe it has something to do with a sweetener or the type of flavoring. I was just surprised when I found the older bottle that looked and tasted normal while my summer juices looked so dark and I no longer liked them. If your juice starts getting really dark, you'll know why. If not, you're good.


As an aside any liquid in a plastic bottle that gets heated is probably not a good thing.

 

[daniele25]

When did you get them? It isn't going to harm you, but with time they may lose some of their flavor and potency faster than they would have without the wait in the mailbox.

My mailbox was one of those outside condo banks in direct sunlight and I picked them up probably an hour after they were placed there midday. No clue on how they were treated during shipment. My case was extreme and the juice looked fine for a month or so before it got muddy.

Another note is that both Dulce and Root beer are fairly sweet ejuices, so maybe it has something to do with a sweetener or the type of flavoring. I was just surprised when I found the older bottle that looked and tasted normal while my summer juices looked so dark and I no longer liked them. If your juice starts getting really dark, you'll know why. If not, you're good.

It was a few weeks back...a lot of them were juices I have ordered before and so far I haven't noticed any difference at all. Here is the thread (short one), but you can see the response I recieved at least. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/306113-juices-left-heat-thoughts.html