been vaping, building coils and off cigs 4 1/2 mos. now. i have been wanting to use some 28ga. for quite a while and ordered the helios rda which i got yesterday. built a massive coil 1.7ohm with 28ga. that would fire on a vamo last night. this device blows me away. i have never tasted juice better. had to apply 12-15 watts to heat that bad boy up. i normally use 9 watts on everything else. the hotter it fired the better it tasted. started dripping with a cisco 357 a couple weeks back. the taste was great but you have to count drops or flood. the helios, just give it a good squirt. today, i got a sigelei telescope(battery holder with a button) and i am going primal. sub-ohm time! i am using efest hybrid battery 2250mah so that is my protection. i really only want to go to around .8ohm. i am thinking of using a 6 wrap coil with 28ga. tonight and would appreciate any comments the forum has for this device. twisted coils? clapton coil? dual or quad build i think requires smaller wire. how do yall skin it back? thanks forum for all your help, jon
helios rda blows me away.
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the helios rda has been my daily dripper for quite sometime now with no drawbacks.
I run a dual and micro coiled 4-strand twisted 32g that puts me around .7x -- a flavor & cloud galore
I run a dual and micro coiled 4-strand twisted 32g that puts me around .7x -- a flavor & cloud galore
I also have a Helios that i use on a daily basis, along with my Kayfun for taking out the house. I have never tried a quad coil build on anything except the IGO-W3, and its a pain to build at that. Running single coil twisted 28 gauge kanthal with cotton. .6 Ohms and the flavor is superb, as well as the clouds and TH.
thanks guys! you confirm what i am thinking. how many wraps with a twisted wire? what size I.D.?
i am wanting another helios now. one sub ohm, one for regulated. the flavor is superb. vtf all the way. i did a simple 6 wrap on a 1/16" .8 ohm. heats up fast now. i going to start twisting some wires and see where this goes. i bought this rda on a whim. it wasn't expensive, and it was available the same place i found a kayfun 3.1. i figured i would save on shipping and good or bad it boils down to a wick and a wire. glad my nic level is low cause i'm feeling it more than usual. either set up, tastes more than usual.
the connections are fairly tiny. do you need to fit all the ends of a twisted wire coil through them? i will twist three strands of 28 and see if it fits. if not i'll use it on the kayfun.
the connections are fairly tiny. do you need to fit all the ends of a twisted wire coil through them? i will twist three strands of 28 and see if it fits. if not i'll use it on the kayfun.
+1 for the Helios I drilled mine out so now it has holes on both sides running dual coils at .7 on a Nemmi it'a all That and real easy to build 
here is an update of my experience with subohm. three strand 28ga, 6 wraps on 1/16" rendered .47ohm. i consulted the conversion charts before using and determined that requires 7.9 amps or 29watts to fire. this is at the max of my comfort level my efest 10amp battery can provide. actually, its over my top. frankly, it hits too hard and i got overnicked using 9mg 70/30 juice. before abandoning this build i am making 30/70 juice 0 nic. i reviewed six videos last night. two on the helios, and four on different builds. i had seen most of them before, but didn't absorb all the info as i didn't own an rda or a device to fire subohm at the time. i can't stress enough to anyone noob or pro the level of safety that has to be observed when experimenting with subohm tech. i plan to continue posting my findings along the way here and see what develops. happy vaping! sony us18650vtc3 are ordered. very important!
ok folks, i have returned from the dark side(subohming)and glad i decided to use 0 nic juice to conclude my exploration. i have done five different builds for the helios since friday. the whole idea to subohm really stemmed from my desire to use some 28ga wire on a build. i had regulated mods and egos for power sources so subohming was unachievable. last fridays mail brought a helios rda, kayfun 3.1 and an ohm meter. after i broke the center pin on the kayfun, my attention turned to the helios rda. still didn't have a mech mod and i did a 12 wrap coil with 28ga to get 1.7ohm and fire on my vamo. had to throw 12 watts to start and allow a second for it to heat up all that metal. then it would pop and start to sizzle. i was floored by the vape, throat hit and especially the flavor this atomizer produced.
saturday, my mech mod arrived and i did a simple 6 wrap contact coil with 28ga for .8ohm. basically, same great results as i got before except it heated up with very little lag time. i tried two multi-stranded wire coils builds. the first, ln post above, was a beast. took forever to heat up, and i thought i was going to drown from all the vape it made. could not handle it as the vape was too warm, 9mg nic was making my eyes gloss over. decided to tone it down with 0mg nic. and made a clapton coil with 32ga over 28ga. i do it different from rip t. and chuck 6" of 28 with a spool of 32 and made what looks like a d-string much easier. i got a 1. ohm build which made me feel a bit safer but it still took a while to heat up and produced very dense hot fog. more than i can handle!
i don't know how anybody is able to take a direct lung hits like you see in videos. their throats must be totally desensitized. i was a menthol smoker and somewhat desensitized by single draw straight lung hits. the multiple mouth to lung hits
evolved from trying disposable e-cigs 6mos. ago.
still overwhelmed, i went to a single 28ga 5 wrap on 3/32" and spaced the wraps. got .9 ohm. the larger i.d. allowed a nice piece of cotton without binding and i can manage the vape it produces. no lag time heating up, sizzles from the get-go. flavor awesome and only a slightly warmer vape than what i'm used to.
here's the rub. where is all this enhanced vtf coming from? the wire 28ga. or the atomizer? when i first started making my own coils i bought samples of 32 and 28. couldn't do anything with the 28 so i built 32ga coils with cotton for my kangers. three feet doesn't go far and i ordered 100ft spools of 32 and 30ga. a couple mos. back. the spool of 32 didn't get touched until i used it to make the clapton coil yesterday. 30ga allowed me to lower resistance to what would still fire on the vamo and it increased vtf a great deal over 32ga. just like i am experiencing, with the larger 28ga. now. i am concluding it is the wire and will try a 32ga build for the atomizer to know for sure. stay tuned to this thread for the upcoming conclusion.
saturday, my mech mod arrived and i did a simple 6 wrap contact coil with 28ga for .8ohm. basically, same great results as i got before except it heated up with very little lag time. i tried two multi-stranded wire coils builds. the first, ln post above, was a beast. took forever to heat up, and i thought i was going to drown from all the vape it made. could not handle it as the vape was too warm, 9mg nic was making my eyes gloss over. decided to tone it down with 0mg nic. and made a clapton coil with 32ga over 28ga. i do it different from rip t. and chuck 6" of 28 with a spool of 32 and made what looks like a d-string much easier. i got a 1. ohm build which made me feel a bit safer but it still took a while to heat up and produced very dense hot fog. more than i can handle!
i don't know how anybody is able to take a direct lung hits like you see in videos. their throats must be totally desensitized. i was a menthol smoker and somewhat desensitized by single draw straight lung hits. the multiple mouth to lung hits
evolved from trying disposable e-cigs 6mos. ago.
still overwhelmed, i went to a single 28ga 5 wrap on 3/32" and spaced the wraps. got .9 ohm. the larger i.d. allowed a nice piece of cotton without binding and i can manage the vape it produces. no lag time heating up, sizzles from the get-go. flavor awesome and only a slightly warmer vape than what i'm used to.
here's the rub. where is all this enhanced vtf coming from? the wire 28ga. or the atomizer? when i first started making my own coils i bought samples of 32 and 28. couldn't do anything with the 28 so i built 32ga coils with cotton for my kangers. three feet doesn't go far and i ordered 100ft spools of 32 and 30ga. a couple mos. back. the spool of 32 didn't get touched until i used it to make the clapton coil yesterday. 30ga allowed me to lower resistance to what would still fire on the vamo and it increased vtf a great deal over 32ga. just like i am experiencing, with the larger 28ga. now. i am concluding it is the wire and will try a 32ga build for the atomizer to know for sure. stay tuned to this thread for the upcoming conclusion.
Awesome thread Jon, thanks for sharing your experiments. Glad to see you stress safety first. I've only had experience with RBA's but that will be changing soon as I have Zenith V2 due in this week. I've also been eyeing the Helios for quite some time and hope to pick one up this weekend at the DC Vapefest.
the conclusion is this. my entire vaping experience has been wonderful. my empirical observation has proven to my satisfaction that with every increase in wire diameter used to build a coil, the greater the transference of vapor, throat hit, flavor, and nicotine. it should be considered common knowledge and allowed for to adjust the deliverance of nicotine. i am saying subohmers using 28ga get 18- 24mg delivery with 6mg juice maybe less? 30ga. will render 12mg like 18mg. 32ga.will render 12mg to 15mg. and finally 34ga renders 18mg at 18mg. that is allowing for 40% transferance and delivers about 7mg in actuality. thats somewhere in the realm of an analog. i am not a scientist, doctor, or expert. i welcome any response from anyone that believes this to be true or false.
spent a day away from the helios yesterday. tonight i built a 1.4 ohm 30ga. coil for the helios. something to fire, regulated or not and using 9mg. juice. i found an appreciation for a mech mod over regulated in performance. a vamo pulses the power to the coil and its noticable above 12 watts. the smooth, constant flow of power straight from the battery is very pleasant. i am actually able to take direct lung hits with this setup and blow clouds. vents are wide open in front of the coil. the clone i have is actually better than the original for single coil build. when you open the vents on an original they open on both sides. i will probably try a dual coil with 32ga, soon. just for grins. i let this thread turn into a journal of my experience with this device, my experiments with modding in regard to nicotine absorbtion, and will continue to post any new findings here. vape on!
tried the 32ga. dual coil build and wasn't impressed with the performance. went back to a common 30ga. 1.4ohm coil, this setup is what satisfies my nic cravings with 9mg. juice. all my bottom coil tanks have this same build installed. i can maximize my vape running 9.5w and blow ample clouds. i did order a couple sony 30a batteries and will try another subohm trial. that guitar string build .6ohm held some promise if it had the juice to heat it up quickly. i intend to make some 5mg for the test. also have some new atomizers, diy flavors and quarts of pg/vg in the mail. center pin for the kayfun 3.1 should be here tomorrow. i will test it with my usual build first and a dual coil when the sonys arrive. the whole room smells of banana nut bread this evening. very noticeable when i return from the kitchen for a glass of tea. besides quitting analogs, i haven't had alcohol in nearly 3 yrs. my senses are fairly keen and still searching for my ideal nic level and setup to suit me. happy vaping folks.
I eye balled the Helios for about a week, went back and forth between that and the Trident, went Trident but I think I want the Helios now
I have two and both a modded, I have found with 28g double twisted and 4 wraps around 2mm to be about perfect for my style with a bigger air hole on the older style and I use newer twin hole with no afc. I also triple twist 32g but not as good to me as double 28g. I prefer single coil also on the helios. Try a double like I explained once you get a better batt. Should be around .6ohms. I use ekowool and put a small amount tucked under the post amd under coil but placed on backside of the coil. Help hold juice. Would not trade my helios for any rda so far
i don't think you could go wrong either way. it will depend on the build you install that determines the amount and quality of vape produced. keep in mind, the larger the wire,and the greater power required to heat it properly, the more juice vaporized for a given moment. use low or zero nicotine juice to start if you plan to subohm. along with larger clouds comes larger doses of nic. per puff. take care and welcome to ecf.
haven't had the chance to try ekowool yet. cotton has been great in bottom coil setups but i have been wondering if something else may be better suited to lifting juice up to the coil? possibly better in a kayfun as well.
a two strand with 28 sounds reasonable and i do prefer a single build in this device. thanks for the reply.
i finally have a decent build for the helios. i used your suggestion and twisted two 28ga. tried 4 wraps on 5/64" and measured .37ohm. felt that to be a little low and added two wraps for .57ohm. i guess i should do the metric conversion for 2mm next time. anyhoo, the flavor blast is incredible. the cherry coke 0mg i'm using for testing almost tastes carbonated. it certainly sizzles like it could be. vape production is magnified. the only problem i am having is the button on the sigelei telescope gets warm then hot. the helios itself gets near hot the sonys are my power source now. i washed the build, removed the cotton and dry-fired to find a hot spot. positive leg was touching the coil where it shouldn't. adjusted the coil, rewicked and getting much better results. i can take direct lung hits and the vape temperature suits me. the button is still getting warm after a few chain vapes and i want another mod for subohm. this one is great for my adv in an aerotank. i am thinking about nemisis clone about $50 in brass. most of my mods are stainless. i bought a second vamo v5 in gunmetal and the finish started coming off the second day. the first spot to lose finish was where my gold wedding band made contact. it now has my handprint permanently. i read a thread where two guys were arguing the conductivity of their mods and determined brass or copper were better conductors. of course gold would be best and if i could afford something zencoated that would be an option. my body chem is on acidic side and i know what copper does there. while i am a jack of all trades, i am only a master of plumbing. i have used alot of copper in my days and glad they came out with pex pipe to avoid the green hands. ty Kaos for the idea and after cosmos i will do the math and try to replicate your 2mm 4 wrapper. check out otto carter mods at vaperev.com. talk about break the bank.
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