Hello again. Still struggling.

[stols001]

I suppose it could be the PG. I'm PG sensitive but it didn't make my brain feel weird, to be honest. What made me feel weird was noticing the detox that was happening (with perhaps a little anticipatory fear of what was coming next). I got physical sx from my PG sensitivity, I felt like death for a while as I was going through cigarette detox.

Changes don't always have to be physical in nature, the idea of "switching" to vaping and fear of the results can sometimes intensify sx in my opinion. I went about 6 weeks once while hospitalized after a bad reaction to a new med and a sadistic hospital doctor and it wasn't as "difficult" as switching to vaping as I knew that eventually (since I had activated the Patient Right's process) I would smoke again. Granted, it was AWFUL, but I KNEW I'd be smoking again at some point.

Voluntarily switching to vaping involves a whole different mindset and when done by choice, it's harder (and detox sx may be exacerbated due to worry about the future) and confronting all one's regular triggers and whatnot.... The husband went 36 hours vaping alone and just returned from an AA meeting bearing bags of tobacco and stating, "I did it so I wouldn't kill someone, me or someone else."

Yeah, I remember that first AA meeting, super high stress smokers everywhere people asking you for cigarettes which you don't possess (and you'd happily give away half of them if only you COULD smoke one). I told him some dual use was normal, but I know he's ...... at himself as he's outside, sawing wood.

Quitting is a process, and it's a lot easier to go to jail (in some ways) where you know you won't be smoking for a while vs. deliberately and with each and every second testing your willpower against yourself.

You could try eliminating PG (use 90% VG and 10% water. I'm still going to recommend trying some WTA juice, being gentle with yourself, and continuing to dual use until you are ready.

If you don't set yourself up to fail, you aren't failing. Every single cigarette eliminated is a WIN for harm reduction.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thank you Sugar and Spice. I really do appreciate the tip. The thing is, I felt really satisfied with the 6% nicotine. If I started to crave a cigarette, I would hit my vape 2 or 3 times and the craving went away, but then I enjoy the pull and taste of the vape so much, I would take another 5 or 6 hits off of it while sitting and talking with family. I would only smoke a cigarette about once every 2 or 3 hours and my plan was just to slowly keep weening down from them. But both times I tried this, within a day or day in a half of vaping and occasional cigarette, I would start feeling weird. To be honest, I've went longer than that without any cigarettes and never felt that weird, so my brain just keeps wanting to blame the vape. Could the PG in it be making me feel funny?

It is possible but I would think it would not wait to show up later rather than sooner. You could try a max vg ejuice but keep in mind since it is thicker it takes the wicking in the coil longer to absorb, so pace those hits a little farther apart. Not long, just be mindful of it.
Since there is a time lapse, my thought is that your body is losing some of the 'other' alkaloids that are in cigarettes since you are weening yourself off of them. Have you looked into the WTA ejuice. Its a concentrate that you only would add a couple of drops to your existing ejuice. So while the costs is higher you would use so little and it lasts a long time. If this interest you, I can find information here on ECF and post the links for you to read about it. You would be surprised to learn that these alkaloids are very addicting even much more so than the nicotine. Let us know.

 

[stols001]

I think I mentioned it early on in this thread, IIRC. It saved my bacon (literally) during the quitting process. It doesn't FIX everything but it certainly makes it easier.

For me though, the main thing was deciding if I was going to suffer short-term and QUIT, or suffer long term and COPD. I have been terrified of COPD from the very first moment I saw some ashen looking elderly smoker limp in with an oxygen tank. KNOWING this, I was given opportunities to quit earlier in life, and failed, so eventually my Creator gave me the choice: COPD or smoking. I should have been less uh, upfront about my fear, because I don't mind the idea of dying of a heart attack, I actually believe I could handle lung cancer (and I'm probably not totally out of the woods there) but I did NOT believe that I could bring myself to die of that illness OR do that to my family.

Motivation is key but I SWEAR to you that once you have finished detoxing fully (however long that takes) vaping is an amazing alternative. I hear my husband coughing out back right now, after mostly detoxing during the quitting process, then going 36 hrs not vaping..

And, I completely understand it, but if he thinks he is going to beat himself up over it, he has another thing coming. He saw me dual use for a while.

Anna

 

[miteret]

Thank you so much Miteret

Just part of the service mommylondon. It’s what we do. Stay in touch.

 

[mommylondon2586]

I suppose it could be the PG. I'm PG sensitive but it didn't make my brain feel weird, to be honest. What made me feel weird was noticing the detox that was happening (with perhaps a little anticipatory fear of what was coming next). I got physical sx from my PG sensitivity, I felt like death for a while as I was going through cigarette detox.

Changes don't always have to be physical in nature, the idea of "switching" to vaping and fear of the results can sometimes intensify sx in my opinion. I went about 6 weeks once while hospitalized after a bad reaction to a new med and a sadistic hospital doctor and it wasn't as "difficult" as switching to vaping as I knew that eventually (since I had activated the Patient Right's process) I would smoke again. Granted, it was AWFUL, but I KNEW I'd be smoking again at some point.

Voluntarily switching to vaping involves a whole different mindset and when done by choice, it's harder (and detox sx may be exacerbated due to worry about the future) and confronting all one's regular triggers and whatnot.... The husband went 36 hours vaping alone and just returned from an AA meeting bearing bags of tobacco and stating, "I did it so I wouldn't kill someone, me or someone else."

Yeah, I remember that first AA meeting, super high stress smokers everywhere people asking you for cigarettes which you don't possess (and you'd happily give away half of them if only you COULD smoke one). I told him some dual use was normal, but I know he's ...... at himself as he's outside, sawing wood.

Quitting is a process, and it's a lot easier to go to jail (in some ways) where you know you won't be smoking for a while vs. deliberately and with each and every second testing your willpower against yourself.

You could try eliminating PG (use 90% VG and 10% water. I'm still going to recommend trying some WTA juice, being gentle with yourself, and continuing to dual use until you are ready.

If you don't set yourself up to fail, you aren't failing. Every single cigarette eliminated is a WIN for harm reduction.

Best of luck,

Anna

Thanks Anna...but if i'm dual using....how could I blame much of this on detoxing from smokes....if i'm still smoking? Hope that made sense lol

 

[go_player]

I hear you. This is, I suppose, a hard time of year if you expect much from it. My immediate family is either dead or in Ireland and my "Merry Christmas" Skype message to my last remaining family member went unanswered, probably because she's an Irish mother working on Irish twins.

Tbh, while I feel more alone this year than I have before I feel better about it than I have in the past. I have very little in the way of family responsibility, right? I miss my mother, of course, but...

 

[medleypat]

might be your having problems with the flavoring used in your e-juice might try a different brand