Hello industry, we want some MTL vape gear

[coolerat]

I think you quoted the wrong person.

That said, I think it depends where you live. Around here most vapers are 30 or older. They want to vape like they smoked. Most think big plumes of vapor is obnoxious and want MTL tanks and ego type battery's. There are a few younger (late 20s) that hang out at the juice bar at the one shop that has one. They are the only people I see with box mods and drippers.

Different places different demographics.

Different kinda smokers I guess. Age wise I'd say the average would be about 50 like me but that may just be the people I know are 50. My son would be the youngest I interact with at 30 Top end might be closer to mid-50's. My mother does not smoke but she belives in vaping and tries with the old smokes at the home but they'd rather just smoke and honestly they made it that far let them go.

I agree on the being like smoking and to me tootle puffing is nothing like smoking. I did it for a long while and I suffered mightily. It wasn't until I started sub ohming I put smoking way behind me. And thats how I start friends out these days. The friends I helped started on tootle gear are all back smoking, and I don't really blame them. They won't try thr new gear cause they say it won't work. The ones I set up with sub ohm are all doing great, for now at least.

I STRONGLY ugre all smokers to start with sub ohm. Sub ohm is the easier softer way. Like AA for smokers. Tottle gear is like iron willpower dry drunk way. If it works for one then fine but I recommend the easier way.

 

[Boden]

Lol! Me either. Was just an easy to find example. It's a 2 piece deal. Bottom piece screws on in place of the top cap. Top piece pops off similar ti the cap on a RDA. Stick a narrow tip bottle in the hole, fill, put the top cap back on. I've only ever seen one ITRW, but it looked like a decent solution to the bottom fill problem.

Without a juice flow shutoff once you remove the negative pressure from the tank the liquid is free to flow into the atty chamber.

I don't think that's a solution to anything.

 

[YoursTruli]

I think you quoted the wrong person.

That said, I think it depends where you live. Around here most vapers are 30 or older. They want to vape like they smoked. Most think big plumes of vapor is obnoxious and want MTL tanks and ego type battery's. There are a few younger (late 20s) that hang out at the juice bar at the one shop that has one. They are the only people I see with box mods and drippers.

Different places different demographics.

This. I believe too it has to be demographics as in my area I am experiencing seeing the same with the over 30 crowd mainly using the ego type set ups with the scattered few using box mods and non-sub ohm tanks and then a jump down into the 20's crowd as the mech/rda sub ohm cloud group most of which were never smokers or are remaining dual users.

 

[Boden]

Different kinda smokers I guess. Age wise I'd say the average would be about 50 like me but that may just be the people I know are 50. My son would be the youngest I interact with at 30 Top end might be closer to mid-50's. My mother does not smoke but she belives in vaping and tries with the old smokes at the home but they'd rather just smoke and honestly they made it that far let them go.

I agree on the being like smoking and to me tootle puffing is nothing like smoking. I did it for a long while and I suffered mightily. It wasn't until I started sub ohming I put smoking way behind me. And thats how I start friends out these days. The friends I helped started on tootle gear are all back smoking, and I don't really blame them. They won't try thr new gear cause they say it won't work. The ones I set up with sub ohm are all doing great, for now at least.

I STRONGLY ugre all smokers to start with sub ohm. Sub ohm is the easier softer way. Like AA for smokers. Tottle gear is like iron willpower dry drunk way. If it works for one then fine but I recommend the easier way.

You mention "tootle gear". I'm not familar with this category of vape equipment.

 

[tj99959]

Different kinda smokers I guess. Age wise I'd say the average would be about 50 like me but that may just be the people I know are 50. My son would be the youngest I interact with at 30 Top end might be closer to mid-50's. My mother does not smoke but she belives in vaping and tries with the old smokes at the home but they'd rather just smoke and honestly they made it that far let them go.

I agree on the being like smoking and to me tootle puffing is nothing like smoking. I did it for a long while and I suffered mightily. It wasn't until I started sub ohming I put smoking way behind me. And thats how I start friends out these days. The friends I helped started on tootle gear are all back smoking, and I don't really blame them. They won't try thr new gear cause they say it won't work. The ones I set up with sub ohm are all doing great, for now at least.

I STRONGLY ugre all smokers to start with sub ohm. Sub ohm is the easier softer way. Like AA for smokers. Tottle gear is like iron willpower dry drunk way. If it works for one then fine but I recommend the easier way.

Well this one is 74 years old, and you should visit the porch here on ecf. You would be surprised at how many are in their 60s & 70s. Hell, I was 68 when I switched from smoking to vaping.

 

[Belhade]

After last night's untimely demise of my Buddha mini (an excellent MtL device as I've pointed out) I'm considering replacing it with a Kayfun, since it's so popular it actually has replacement and mod parts.

 

[Boden]

I really want to get an Aqua SE. Seems like an elegant little device.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Without a juice flow shutoff once you remove the negative pressure from the tank the liquid is free to flow into the atty chamber.

I has 2 holes in the top so one vents air while you fill in the other, maintaining a balance of air pressure. If you wick a KF right, you can take the top off without it flooding. It's just when you screw the top back on that you create positive pressure and force juice into the coil chamber.

 

[DavidOck]

Well this one is 74 years old, and you should visit the porch here on ecf. You would be surprised at how many are in their 60s & 70s. Hell, I was 68 when I switched from smoking to vaping.

66 for another couple days

Tootle-womper, with a largish supply of tubes, boxes, KFs, Subtanks, Protanks and T3Ss. Generally vape between 8 - 10 watts, so sort of a mix of tootle puffer and mod womper.

And rebuild everything. KFs usually about 1.5 Ω, bottom single coils to 1.8.

Quit smoking once I had the nic level dialed in for me, with a CE5 on a fixed voltage eGo.

 

[DavidOck]

I has 2 holes in the top so one vents air while you fill in the other, maintaining a balance of air pressure. If you wick a KF right, you can take the top off without it flooding. It's just when you screw the top back on that you create positive pressure and force juice into the coil chamber.

Yup. I top fill my 3.1s, bottom fill my v2+ models.

The "trick" with the top fill is to invert it after you get the top threads started. And cover the air intake until inverted, then release so it can equalize pressure.

 

[AndriaD]

I STRONGLY ugre all smokers to start with sub ohm. Sub ohm is the easier softer way. Like AA for smokers. Tottle gear is like iron willpower dry drunk way. If it works for one then fine but I recommend the easier way.

BS!!!!!!!!!

I've been a tootle puffer since I started, and will be forever -- I quit smoking using cigalikes, initially, and only upgraded because of the huge hassle of constant refilling/recharging.

Sub-ohm is NOT!!!!!!! for everybody!

Andria

 

[coolerat]

Well this one is 74 years old, and you should visit the porch here on ecf. You would be surprised at how many are in their 60s & 70s. Hell, I was 68 when I switched from smoking to vaping.

No in roads to the old people market yet. I say market but I don't sell anything. In fact I give it away. I'm a one man army against smoking. At first my wife wasn't thrilled with how much I spent to give away but she's on board now. I also don't blame tobacco companies, I wanted to buy there product. People cry they made tobacco more addictive secretly. Heck I wish they had made it public cause I would have sought those out.

I'm finding I meet the most resistance with old people and young people. People in there 20's and 30's haven't suffered enough to become reasonable. Old people are set in there ways. Call 40-50 the sweet spot. People that age are starting to experience the pain of smoking but are far enough from the finish line they don't wanna stagger to the end.

But rest assured I got scouts out in the old people community. Both at the old folks home here in NY and the trailer parks of central Florida. No bites yet but I'm ready to ride.

Young people I am not currently wasting anymore of my time on. If they have questions they know where I am. Its tough cause some of them are my children but I was 10 feet tall and bullet proof at that age to. I'll wait til they start riding the bronc twice a year.

 

[YoursTruli]

I has 2 holes in the top so one vents air while you fill in the other, maintaining a balance of air pressure. If you wick a KF right, you can take the top off without it flooding. It's just when you screw the top back on that you create positive pressure and force juice into the coil chamber.

yeah but can you lay it on it's side?!

 

[coolerat]

BS!!!!!!!!!

I've been a tootle puffer since I started, and will be forever -- I quit smoking using cigalikes, initially, and only upgraded because of the huge hassle of constant refilling/recharging.

Sub-ohm is NOT!!!!!!! for everybody!

Andria

Hardly BS.

I'm talking real people asking me real question not innerweb silliness.

Unless I'm holding a gun to there head, which I rarely do, they are free to sub ohm or not.

The gear I recommend isn't even stuff I own. Its just stuff I know works.

So far its been very effective. Haven't lost one of my flock since switching yet. Which isn't to say I won't just so far so good.

 

[YoursTruli]

I STRONGLY ugre all smokers to start with sub ohm. Sub ohm is the easier softer way. Like AA for smokers. Tottle gear is like iron willpower dry drunk way. If it works for one then fine but I recommend the easier way.

honestly if I had started vaping off with sub ohming I would still be smoking, I would have never would have been able to do it, no way my lungs would have handled it or my juice budget for that matter... I often wonder if that is why so many I know seem to remain dual users.

 

[coolerat]

honestly if I had started vaping off with sub ohming I would still be smoking, I would have never would have been able to do it, no way my lungs would have handled it or my juice budget for that matter... I often wonder if that is why so many I know seem to remain dual users.

And honestly if I had stayed tootle puffing I would still be smoking.

Which one of us is right??

It is very common to see someone with a pack of smokes and an Ego.

I personally have never seen anyone with a 100w box and a pack of smokes.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

yeah but can you lay it on it's side?!

Yup, The top cap seals pretty tight.

 

[AndriaD]

honestly if I had started vaping off with sub ohming I would still be smoking, I would have never would have been able to do it, no way my lungs would have handled it or my juice budget for that matter... I often wonder if that is why so many I know seem to remain dual users.

This exactly -- if sub-ohming had been the only way to vape, I couldn't have done it at all, and still can't. So I'd still be smoking.

Andria

 

[Hans Wermhat]

I'm a dual user. I tootle puff and cloud chase.

 

[DavidOck]

honestly if I had started vaping off with sub ohming I would still be smoking, I would have never would have been able to do it, no way my lungs would have handled it or my juice budget for that matter... I often wonder if that is why so many I know seem to remain dual users.

Likewise, Truli. I didn't direct to lung my smokes (OR pipes!! Especially not pipes ) And my subtanks are used with the RBA and my usual 1.5 Ω coil.

Imo, one of the reasons for dual use is that vaping isn't as "easy" to do. Even if you don't rebuild anything you still need to have extra heads, chargers, backups... (One of my early concerns was running out of battery juice when I was out... until I got that taken care of I'd never go out without 3 or 4 devices. Now, not less than 2 ) Regular maintenance, cleaning and so on. Heck, your Bic is good for "1000's of lights" and you can get your favorite brand just about anywhere. Not the case with vaping, you have to plan ahead.

And finding the right nic level and flavor is also a big part of the equation. Too low - whether tootling along or sub-Ω - and there's just no "satisfaction."