Hello, which vape suits beginner

[VapePro]

Uh, we don't? And if so, so what? So someone is starting a business and wanting to find inventory well HOW SMART to pick the brains of ECF and also, HOW GREAT it is when a vape store stocks more than smok and Kangertech!

I see now downsides to your (100% hypothetical and also pulled out of somewhere dark and deep) scenario.

The only issue would be if this person BECOMES an ACTUAL vendor and starts trying to sell us the awesome stuff we have recommended, at which point, the squad of mods would be SUMMONED and POOF.

Also, dude, like where do you come up with some of this stuff

Anna

Lol, I am pretty random. BUT I just had my thread closed by an ADMIN yesterday. The china one. yea that me.

I was trying to find out why anybody would order from china if their in the USA, i was trying to figure out how people shop and the reasons they would wait a MONTH to get there Ecigs.

 

[bombastinator]

Lol, I am pretty random. BUT I just had my thread closed by an ADMIN yesterday. The china one. yea that me.

I was trying to find out why anybody would order from china if their in the USA, i was trying to figure out how people shop and the reasons they would wait a MONTH to get there Ecigs.

That’s easy: it’s 60% cheaper. Sometimes it’s worth it, sometimes it isn’t. I personally have been buying recently from local vape stores whenever possible (which it isn’t always, atty selection is particularly poor) simply because I want them to exist.

 

[VapePro]

That’s easy: it’s 60% cheaper. Sometimes it’s worth it, sometimes it isn’t. I personally have been buying recently from local vape stores whenever possible (which it isn’t always, atty selection is particularly poor) simply because I want them to exist.

Yea dude! I saw one website yesterday. Rather big site. All the stuff is like 75% less then any prices on the web. Im so ify about buying from them though. I mean brand name merchandise but how can it be so cheap. 100 dollar ADV VV mod for 20 bucks. I feel like they must not be real.

 

[stols001]

If it's something that you don't need fast but is esoteric, FT can be a huge win for extra parts and stuff (I am guessing maybe due to their cloning, etc.)

Cheaper is certainly one reason, but some of the larger China resellers are going to have stuff and/or clones of stuff that most US retailers won't have all in one place.

I do have my US vendors I buy from because I want to support their business, but usually I am paying a premium for doing so, although the bonus is, faster arrival time, so there is that.

I think there's a thread called, "Reasons YOU should not shop from FT" that covers the subject far more fully if that's what you are wanting to find out, and if you are in fact planning a business, well perhaps Trumps China tariffs will be working (you gonna work for pennies though?)

Anna

 

[ScottP]

If I had paid attention to the recommendations of the vets on ECF, I wouldn't have wasted my time or money on such a kit. I could have purchased an excellent regulated mod and tank for that kind of money and gotten a better vape right from the start.

I sort of disagree with this part. I started vaping not too long after you and back then the MOST recommended vape by "the vets" was a $200 Provari (regardless of what was asked for). Of course they may have been the best at that time, but they certainly were not $65. I do agree that "something better" was available around that price range though.

The cig-a-like the wife and I started with was $10 each and came with 1 battery, 2 cartos, and a charger (They are still sold but for $11.50 each now). Refill packs of 5 cost about $12 back then (now $14.50). We only bought 2 refill packs each before I realized they could be refilled. I found mtbakervapor and started refilling those same cartos on the cheap and supplementing them with cheap Boge cartos. This kept us off smoking for about 4.5 months before we "upgraded" to an eGo-C + Vivi Nova (LOL) and later Vision Spinners (first gen) and EVOD/ARO's. really though, our decision to upgrade was less about us not getting what we needed from the cig-a-likes and more about the fact that this was around the time Boge started having some bad batches of cartos. Buying a pack of 5 cartos and having 3 of them dry hit constantly even though properly filled to saturation and the other two just straight leaking every drop of juice right back out because they weren't properly wicked and padded, will drive anyone to look for something else.

I also agree that I wouldn't recommend anyone start on a cig-a-like these days either way. There are too many better products out there. Even a Spinner/Twist + Clearo of some sort would be better (if they are still available). Get JUUL, or some other pod system instead of a cig-a-like.

 

[ScottP]

One more thing to think about when making suggestions to a newbie, is this post of mine from WAY back in April of 2013:

I gotta stay away from...

To me the problem of suggesting advanced setups with VV/VW, changable batteries, cartotanks, RBA's, and such is new people most likely have no clue what they are getting into and will get overwhelmed. Not to mention the finger shock of instantly going from a thin analog to a giant chrome dildo looking thingy. If you dump everything on them at once they may get frustrated and go back to analogs...and nobody wants that.

In fact, many people have to be coaxed into the deep end. First you give them an El-cheapo cig-a-like and if they seem to like it, you then tell them there is something better but requires a bit more tinkering and maintenance and introduce them to a eGo/eGo-Twist type battery and a refillable device. Once they realize the vape is worth the hassle of refilling THEN they will be ready for something more advanced.

 

[bombastinator]

Yea dude! I saw one website yesterday. Rather big site. All the stuff is like 75% less then any prices on the web. Im so ify about buying from them though. I mean brand name merchandise but how can it be so cheap. 100 dollar ADV VV mod for 20 bucks. I feel like they must not be real.

That is a danger. Best to find references. If they’ve been around for any time at all someone around here will have tried them. Also PayPal is your friend in instances like this

 

[Baditude]

I sort of disagree with this part. I started vaping not too long after you and back then the MOST recommended vape by "the vets" was a $200 Provari (regardless of what was asked for). Of course they may have been the best at that time, but they certainly were not $65. I do agree that "something better" was available around that price range though.

I think we're picking meat off the bone here.

I wasn't one of those vets who always recommended a Provari, although I owned one myself. I always took into account what price range a beginner was willing to start with because not many beginners were willing to put out $200. If they specifically asked for THE BEST mod available regardless of price, then yeah, then I would say a Provari. "Buy once, cry once". (Cry once because of the initial cost, but cry no more because it was going to last for years.)

My first regulated mod was a Provari. I researched the heck out of it, and listened to the glowing recommendations of the vets who owned one (or several). I wasn't disappointed.

The "Just get a Provari!" catch phrase was an inside joke on ECF for years. There were two opposing factions at play at that time. Those who owned and loved Provari's and those who never touched one and couldn't believe a mod should be held in such high esteem for that price. The Provari was simply way ahead of its time; today people pay $200 for a mod and don't bat an eye.

My recommendations hold true to this day. I usually recommend an affordable setup like the Innokin Kroma/Zenith kit for under $60. If they specifically ask for the best regulated mod today regardless of price, I usually recommend a DNA mod since Provari's are no longer made.

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[VapePro]

I think we're picking meat off the bone here.

I wasn't one of those vets who always recommended a Provari, although I owned one myself. I always took into account what price range a beginner was willing to start with because not many beginners were willing to put out $200. If they specifically asked for THE BEST mod available regardless of price, then yeah, then I would say a Provari. "Buy once, cry once". (Cry once because of the initial cost, but cry no more because it was going to last for years.)

My first regulated mod was a Provari. I researched the heck out of it, and listened to the glowing recommendations of the vets who owned one (or several). I wasn't disappointed.

The "Just get a Provari!" catch phrase was an inside joke on ECF for years. There were two opposing factions at play at that time. Those who owned and loved Provari's and those who never touched one and couldn't believe a mod should be held in such high esteem for that price.

The same holds true to this day. I usually recommend an affordable setup like the Innokin Kroma/Zenith kit for under $60. If they specifically ask for the best regulated mod today regardless of price, I usually recommend a DNA mod since Provari's are no longer made.

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Yes, umm... yummy meat.

You need to make people appreciate things for them selves. Not give them something you appreciate.

Throw a crappy beginner e-cig at them. Enough for them to get interested and excited. Enough for them to want MORE, and do some research.

when they take interest. BAM!! hooked.

Throw a Provari or DNA at a beginner... There overwhelmed and confused. Like giving a kid a strategic MMORPG, when all you got to do is throw Fortnite at them and there instantly hooked on how simple, easy, and fun it is to play.

To many mechanics off the batt make people want to run.

 

[Baditude]

You need to make people appreciate things for them selves. Not give them something you appreciate.

Again, I agree to disagree. People come here for personal input and advice. Most of the people here give recommendations based on gear that they use and appreciate. Why should I be different?

Too many people have personally told me that they appreciate my input and didn't have success vaping until they used the gear that I recommended and used.
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Every day I get one or two PM's asking for my input on batteries, tanks, or mods, because I have helped them in the past and they trust what I have to say. How many people contact you for advice?

Throw a crappy beginner e-cig at them. Enough for them to get interested and excited. Enough for them to want MORE, and do some research.

when they take interest. BAM!! hooked.

Except, what about those who try a crappy beginner e-cig bought from a gas station or convenience store, had a disappointing experience, and decided from that bad experience that vaping sucks and went back to smoking? They lost their interest. Unless they happen to come across ECF for some sound advice they will continue to smoke. As successful vapers who have quit smoking, its our duty to recommend gear that is more likely to be successful right from the start.

Throw a Provari or DNA at a beginner... There overwhelmed and confused.
To many mechanics off the batt make people want to run.

A Provari or DNA, or any regulated mod for that matter, is not that hard to figure out. Turn it on and off with 5 clicks. If you need to, increase or decrease the power output with either the + or - button. That's really all there is to it. It's not rocket surgery.

Should they want to use more advanced features, there is an owners manual, You Tube, or ECF. Although I have done it before many times, people don't always need to be spoon fed step by step.

 

[Katdarling]

Bad, patience of a saint, you.

I for one, don't truly understand the poster to whom you're responding.




Just out of curiosity, @VapePro, how long are you vaping and how long on ECF?

 

[VapePro]

@Baditude I love when you disagree and I love to disagree, even when your right. And you're right. We should force people to make the correct choices right off the batt. Cause we know whats best for them. Hey we have already been there. All I know is I cant get my nieces and nephews to like anything I like. You know why? Its kinda like the movie inception. The one with Mark Dicaprio or whatever.

I do know what got me hooked. And so the advice I would really give the OP OT. If I could tell myself 10 or 12 years ago to buy the :

• Double 18650's and an extra set so you can swap an always vape
• A nice regulated mod with a screen so you can set the wattage
• Nitecore D4 charger with overcharge protection
• The silver play RTA (forget the cartos) wrap your own wires because that's where ya'll end up
• Start mixing your own liquid cause its 50 cents each 120ml bottle
• Buy the delrin drip tips cause you'll burn your mouth on those anodized aluminum ones

... I dont know if i would have even listened to myself. I may have thought im not ready for the cost and just procrastinated switching. But your right, everyone is different. And I know I'm a weird one.

@Katdarling Hmm... you're fishing aren't you.

 

[stols001]

You know um, there are certain arenas in life that have rules. We "force" people to follow traffic rules for safety and because it would be (even more) chaos anyway. Heck, ice skating rinks will force "a" direction because it would be injuries all over otherwise.

There is this odd sort of dichotomy where there is "freedom from," and "Freedom to," and I believe you can thank the English social philosopher John Rawls for fully fleshing out this concept.

The USA (and youthful persons) tend to be overly focused on the idea of "freedom to," which is why they want to binge drink, eat tide pods, and vape mechs with counterfeit batteries and claim it is their "right" to do so, without understanding why certain rules are there and the reasons behind them.

There is freedom to be safe, and in my opinion the teens should be left entirely out of THAT as knocking sense into their heads is a laborious and often worthless endeavor. There are a certain number of teens that due to their brain chemistry and also upbringing are going to have sad lives, and come to bad ends and while amelioration of the syndrome is sometimes possible with contained environments and some pretty intense education (I'm talking about residential treatment) many are a lost cause.

However if there EVER would be an appropriate place for regulating in the ecig industry, it would be with battery rewrappers, vape stores only being allowed to carry legitimate, authentic batteries, that a certain amount of safety education be required. (Like a short reading and a test that you have to score a certain percentage correctly to leave with your new rig, etc.) If freaking cosmologists have to have licenses, I really do not see why battery vendors in the ecig arena could not have a set of "freedom to" rules applied to them that increase safety.

It is inherently true that where there is more regulation, there is less freedom to "do as you like." However, in certain cases (and I happen to think batteries are one of them) freedom TO be safe actually cascades over into FREEDOM TO, and in this case it would result in the freedom TO retain one's original face and hands without massive plastic surgery.

It also helps the teens we are for the moment "ignoring." They will do dumb stuff more safely if overall, battery safety is emphasized supported and integrated into the vape community. Less dangerous fakes OVERALL means less floating about for teens to obtain.

I doubt very much that the safety levels I would enjoy SEEING are capable in any and every case, but that's sort of similar to saying, "We don't need to change gasoline and the fuel pumps that dispense them because it pales in comparison to jet fuel emissions."

It DOES pale in comparison to jet fuel, it did still remain the correct decision.

We can make batteries safer and those who claim it is not only impossible but not a social good are overly focused on that very USA based "But I should get to do whatever I like!" sort of attitude, and if you really sit down and start counting the ways your freedoms are limited, even here in the US, let alone certain other societies for the OVERALL good of society in general, you might be surprised, and you might be a bit more open minded.

I mean, I get it, "Land of the brave home of the free," etc, and I do think there are vape areas where things should not be regulated, but I happen to think batteries are NOT one of them.

Just like drunk driving, it's always going to happen, but it happens less as we enact measures to address it, battery safety measures will increase OVERALL safety if we chose to do it.

So let's not make it, "Land of the adolescent , home of the brainless," either just because you think that "freedom" trumps all.

I used to think that too and made some really bad, long lasting decisions. Then I grew up. As a grownup, I do not advocate FOR my past idiocy and self centeredness, I actually try to counsel against it.

Anna

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Vaping is not for everyone – It is an effective alternative to smoking cigarettes but there is no proven fact that a vape device is all that is needed to ween someone off cigarettes. Taking interest in vaping a new user is challenged at finding something that can provide a desirable sensation with little investment. If vaping is not for you, obviously you do not want to spend a lot of money to come to that conclusion. Or perhaps you are ok with that.

Products that target new users are nothing more than a marketing ploy. One does not need an engineering degree to operate something that is more sophisticated than an AIO device. The more advanced vape products do offer more flexibility, but that does usually come at a cost. Saying that, there is no guarantee that an advance device will suit a single individual more than something that is simpler. We all have different values and needs so what works for me may not necessary work for someone else.

Cigalikes was mentioned in this thread. Despite I have a biased opinion toward them based on my experience, I do think they are an excellent source to introduce someone to vaping. They are cheap and can be found almost everywhere. However, should they not provide the desired sensation one must keep an open mind and understand that not all vaping products give the same sensation. There are many who just use cigalikes and have no need to advance onto something that some of us perceive to be as better. Again, we all have different values and needs.

@Justin xu – a lot of great advice mentioned here but they are nothing more than the opinions of others which may or may not be in your best interest - despite their claimed experience. My suggestion to you is to go to your local vape shop and see what is available. Handle the goods (that came out wrong!), ask questions, see if they offer an instore trial, sample e-juice if that is allowed. Most importantly you have to discover what device fits your needs. That could be a monstrous 3 battery mod or something as small and simple as a Juul. But only you can come to that conclusion. Do not purchase right away, pick a few devices and research through YouTube and return here to ask questions such as longevity or coil availability for said devices. Keep an open mind and do not let it stress you. Have fun and good luck!

 

[Jebbn]

If I started this thread before I started vaping I maybe wouldve got confused and bailed, kind of like the OP did on Tuesday, the same day he started it.
Most of the vapers I know, friends and workmates all started on some Innokin T**, joyetech ***** or Aspire ***** thing and then moved on to some pretty cool gear once they saw how even a cheap thing helps stave off the desire for a cig.
If I started vaping today knowing what I know now, I would jump right in with a handful of cash and buy highly rated, well reviewed and talked about bits of gear, like the Kroma/Zenith kit mentioned earlier.

 

[Gregjl]

I really liked knowing how much battery life I had left in the beginning, I worried about that, how long the coil would last etc. (It is an addiction) I was happy with the pico I stick. One battery, not too big, easy to fill. Not too expensive.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I too was not pleased with the battery life along with the juice capacity of my first device. However, I good friend of mine who I managed to convince to kick smoking and take up vaping, bought a small device with even less battery life and juice capacity as my first device. She is absolutely ecstatic about her new vape gear with no desire what so ever to progress. Clear case of us as individuals having different values and needs.

And to add, there was plans for me to accompany her on buying her new device, however that plan never panned out. And I am kinda glad it worked that way for my opinion, be it biased or not, may have influenced her into buying something she didn’t like. She educated herself on the available products and made a purchase that suits her needs, not mine.

 

[the wind]

did y'all scare the OP away,or do they have enough info to open a shop?

 

[VapePro]

did y'all scare the OP away,or do they have enough info to open a shop?

Haha, thanks for subscribing

 

[Katdarling]

Who moi?