Help a newbie with Battery questions

[christeymg]

I pulled trigger on a Innokin SVD from fasttech. I need to get some batteries for it before it arrives. The choices are a little baffling so I thought I would ask the veterans.

What kind of batteries are the best?
What's the difference between flat top and button top?
Do I need protected batteries?
Can I buy them off Amazon? (I noticed they sell them)

I await your wisdom!

*edit* - I just saw the other thread. Sorry for the duplicate!

 

[dmanindfw]

1) AW and Panasonic are highly recommended. I have had great experiences with AW.
2) Doesn't matter in the SVD. I use flattops and they work fine. Difference is flat top is well, flat. Button top has the little nipple sticking up on top (ala Duracell or Energizer).
3) IMR batteries are recommended. I use AW protected ICR batteries but IMR are the recommended choice as they are a bit safer.
4) Yes or purchase off of a well known ecig vendor.

For the SVD, you can buy 18350 (for short mode) or for long mode get a 18650. 18650s will last a long time on a charge. I would recommend getting 2 of each.

 

[christeymg]

Thank you. That's helpful.

 

[Baditude]

I suggest the red AW IMR batteries. I purchase all of my batteries and chargers from RTD Vapor.

 

[christeymg]

I suggest the red AW IMR batteries. I purchase all of my batteries and chargers from RTD Vapor.

What do all the different mAh ratings mean?

 

[ubergeek922]

What do all the different mAh ratings mean?

mAh is milliamp hours. It is used to define the capacity of the battery. In very simple terms, the greater the mAh, the longer the battery lasts between charges. There are other factors to consider when selecting your batteries so do not go by mAh alone.

 

[zoiDman]

What do all the different mAh ratings mean?

Think of mAh of a Battery like the Size of your Gas Tank in your Car.

It doesn't make you car go Faster or Run Better, it just Determines how Far your Car can Go.

A Bigger mAh Battery will last longer before needing to be Recharged.

mAh is milliamp hours. It is used to define the capacity of the battery. In very simple terms, the greater the mAh, the longer the battery lasts between charges. There are other factors to consider when selecting your batteries so do not go by mAh alone.

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[christeymg]

Think of mAh of a Battery like the Size of your Gas Tank in your Car.

It doesn't make you car go Faster or Run Better, it just Determines how Far your Car can Go.

A Bigger mAh Battery will last longer before needing to be Recharged.



Love your Avatar.

Thanks for the info and the compliment on my Avatar. That's the result of a photoshoot I helped with a couple of months ago.

 

[double_aa_ron]

You do NOT want to use protected batteries in a VV/VW APV. These devices deliver a lot of power and are a huge drain on batteries. If you use a battery that isn't designed or is incapable of delivering the kind of power that these devises require your battery could vent, leak, catch on fire, or explode.

IMR batteries are high drain batteries- meaning that can output high amperage's (more power).

 

[Baditude]

mAh is milliamp hours. It is used to define the capacity of the battery. In very simple terms, the greater the mAh, the longer the battery lasts between charges. There are other factors to consider when selecting your batteries so do not go by mAh alone.

MAh gives a rough indicator of how long a battery should last as defined by the manufacturer. 100 mAh = 1 hour battery use. Ie 700 mah battery should be expected to last 7 hours on average.

However, there are no standards for manufacturers on how they list the mAh rating on the battery labels. Some of the lesser brand batteries have higher mAh ratings than known better quality brand batteries.

The first priority in choosing a battery for an APV should be safety first, and that generally means using a trusted name brand battery that has a good reputation for safety. The red AW imr batteries are recommended by ECF as the safest battery that you can buy.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

 

[BurntHit]

I see some information not mentioned about mAh rating on cells… Don’t get caught up on mAh / capacity…

One important thing to remember, as with most things in life, there is no free lunch. For a higher capacity (mAh) there will always be a tradeoff. For these cells that tradeoff is generally discharge rate. Batteries with higher mAh generally have an higher internal resistance, and can’t deliver the same current as a similar cell with a smaller mAh rating.

The AW IMR 1600mAh vs 2000mAh is an excellent example of that. The 1600mah cell has a higher discharge rate vs the 2000 has higher capacity with a smaller discharge rate.

Selection is best suited to application, if you know you don’t NEED the higher discharge rate, you can select a cell with a higher capacity or vise versa.

In regards to all the fuss about protected cells… Personally I use protected and unprotected cells, because I have an excellent understanding of battery tech. If you don’t, stick to safer chemistry cells. As long as you don’t exceed the max discharge rate of a protected LiCo cell, you can use it. The main reason I use them is for VV/VW APVs in stacked battery configuration. I find it’s safer than using non protected IMRs. This has been common practice in stacked cell high end flashlight forums for years… The more you know. I guess the warning just gets thrown out for the noobs so they don’t blow their hand off.

In terms of brand… I love my AW cells, Panasonic, and the 30A high current discharge Sony cells for my mech mods. I use them for my regulated PVs once in a while when I need cells capable of a very fast charge rate when I travel and don’t have time to wait.

Edit Note: If you do stack cells, use a balance charger. I use a couple different hobby chargers typically used for RC battery charging. Keep and use cells as married pairs.

 

[christeymg]

You do NOT want to use protected batteries in a VV/VW APV. These devices deliver a lot of power and are a huge drain on batteries. If you use a battery that isn't designed or is incapable of delivering the kind of power that these devises require your battery could vent, leak, catch on fire, or explode.

IMR batteries are high drain batteries- meaning that can output high amperage's (more power).

So I should get unprotected batteries such as these? $10.94 UltraFire 18650 3.7V 3000mAh Rechargeable Li-ion Batteries (2-Pack) 2-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Note, not planning to buy them from fasttech. I just needed a quick example.