Help: Carts that won't give up their gold

[Doug_Dread]

I'm refilling the carts that came with my starter pack (Janty Stick), and after a few refills, the juice stops flowing. Even though the batting is soaked to the point where topping is limited to 1 or 2 drops before they overflow, I'm only getting half to one hour of vaping and then the vapour stops, or at best is wispy and unsatisfying. This is a source of much frustration when I go out and despite a well filled cart, get left vapourless for hours. The batting is holding on to the liquid and refusing to release it.

What I've tried:

- Using a syringe to fill from the bottom and 'work' the batting to loosen it up. Gets me maybe another half hour and then stops.

- Removed the batting, squeezed it out in a paper towel, pulled it apart to loosen it and put it back. It then takes a dozen drops to refill and works great, for half a day, then it starts it's nonsense again.

- Removed the soggy batting, turned it around and stuck it back in. Worked great for a couple of hours, then back to the same problem.

- Tried a teabag mod. The draw became far too easy, like sucking air through a straw, which I didn't like, I prefer a bit of resistance. The vapour was fair but not up to normal Stick standards. Held a heck of a lot of liquid but wouldn't give it all back, which was a waste.

How can I get my carts to simply do the job they are designed to do?

 

[Can_supplier]

ADM mod...

The point of any filler is also its problem, it holds liquid. You can never get it all out, and the more filler the more it holds in forever.

Using the Automatic Drip Mod, you use less filler so, so less liquid is stuck in there.

Take your filler out, and throw away 3/4 of it. Take a spring from a pen and put in pointing in and out of the cart. Cut the spring so its at the same location depth wise as where compressed filler was. Fill the cart with juice. Cap off the filled cart with that 1/4 of filler you have.

You will think it would leak all over, but it won't. When it stops vapeing you will have an empty cart, and wet filler, but since there is less filler, its holding less and you were able to use more.

Another option that I do is, I accept I won't get every drop out of the filler. It only takes 2 drops every time to fill. So I put 2 drops in the cart, and drip 3 to 4 more on the atty of my 801, and that lasts me for my smoke break or the drive into work (short) without refilling.

 

[ladyraj]

I had the same problem with using my Janty Stick. If I blow thru the mouth end I can blow the eliquid from the end of the cart to the wick. That lasts a few more good pulls. If I draw too fast on the JS I'll dry out the top of the cart take longer slow puffs. Also you can try the short draw, another short draw, release the manual switch briefly, and then take a long draw. Loads of vapor. Good luck and I hope it helps.

Almost forgot: I usually alternate sessions between 2 Sticks and let one rest while I puff on the other.

 

[k lady]

I found this to be the most frustrating part of vaping! Nosed around in the "Modder's" forum and tried many of them until I hit upon this one:

NEW 510 Cart MOD Blue Foam Plug Cart Mod "The Slug" Blue Foam Plug v2.0

After some angst with the learning curve, it's been working well for me. I'm afraid many new vapers will give up and go back to the nasty analogs because of this cart issue. Hang in there, Doug! From what I've read the technology is getting better and better with many advances just within the past year. Someday soon we may have access to the perfect, trouble-free, PV!

 

[Doug_Dread]

Took a trip to my nearest aquarium supply store. They don't have the same material as in the States but they did have white fibre filter sheet, quite a bit thicker than the US blue pad and with a fairly stiff face on one side, possibly treated with something to firm it up. I cut a small piece, separated the hard face and used the backing to make a "plug" more or less as per the Blue Foam Plug Mod, filled the cart and inserted the plug.

There was a slight improvement over the standard fill allowing me to vape longer, but there were problems:

- Seapage past the plug.
- Failure to 'wick' the juice through to the atty. If left for a few minutes, I got 1 good vape and then had to wait another few minutes.

Would seem the solution could be to make the plug tighter (wider), to stop seapage and thinner to improve wicking, but I'm not sure the material will allow this, probably, solving one problem will make the other worse.

 

[k lady]

Took a trip to my nearest aquarium supply store. They don't have the same material as in the States but they did have white fibre filter sheet, quite a bit thicker than the US blue pad and with a fairly stiff face on one side, possibly treated with something to firm it up. I cut a small piece, separated the hard face and used the backing to make a "plug" more or less as per the Blue Foam Plug Mod, filled the cart and inserted the plug.

There was a slight improvement over the standard fill allowing me to vape longer, but there were problems:

- Seapage past the plug.
- Failure to 'wick' the juice through to the atty. If left for a few minutes, I got 1 good vape and then had to wait another few minutes.

Would seem the solution could be to make the plug tighter (wider), to stop seapage and thinner to improve wicking, but I'm not sure the material will allow this, probably, solving one problem will make the other worse.

If you'll PM me with your mailing address, I will send you a piece of the blue foam. If it works for you, you could find a source on the 'net and order more.

 

[Doug_Dread]

If you'll PM me with your mailing address, I will send you a piece of the blue foam. If it works for you, you could find a source on the 'net and order more.

Wow, that's a pretty amazing offer k lady and I'll take you up on it as soon as/if my ban is lifted and I get my PM rights back. Many thanks, will be in touch.

I'm also going ahead with trials of the stuff I mentioned above, this time I used the 'stiff-face' side, making it wider to seal better as well as thinner which I hope will wick better. Will post if it works.

Meantime the performance of the first trial piece improved overnight, maybe needed time to settle in and saturate, today's vaping was not perfect but certainly better than the stock filling.

I reckon this mod is the real deal. Btw, I'm vaping a Janty Stick and not the PV the mod thread was based on, it will probably work on anything.

PS: Seems my ban was lifted as I was posting. k lady, you have a PM.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Problem solved I reckon.

Last night I read this thread by ProfessorDaffy http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pc-automatic-drop-mod-paper-clip-variant.html credit to you and those who preceeded you in the development.

I spent a few minutes, clipping a plastic coated paper clip, using the large loop end to perfectly fit my larger Janty Stick cart, filled the cart and stuck a smallish ball of filler in to plug it. Vaping is big and consistant until the cart is empty, too big perhaps, so I mostly take shortish puffs, much like smoking an analog. Totally brilliant for that first thing in the morning, desperation Nic-loading session!

Not too worried about corrosion, the exposed metal ends are tiny and at the bottom of the cart and should mostly be kept wet by the liquid, little oxygen = little rust.

My filler material is a filter material from a local aquarium shop but is nothing like the "Blue Foam Plug" material, which is not available here in SA. (k-lady is very kindly sending me some ). It tends to push down next to the paper clip a bit, but this doesn't seem to detract and it stays well moistened all the time. Refilling by syringe is quick and easy.

I may now confirm that the paper clip mod variant works great in large carts such as those for the Janty Stick.

 

[k lady]

Problem solved I reckon.

Last night I read this thread by ProfessorDaffy http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pc-automatic-drop-mod-paper-clip-variant.html credit to you and those who preceeded you in the development.

I spent a few minutes, clipping a plastic coated paper clip, using the large loop end to perfectly fit my larger Janty Stick cart, filled the cart and stuck a smallish ball of filler in to plug it. Vaping is big and consistant until the cart is empty, too big perhaps, so I mostly take shortish puffs, much like smoking an analog. Totally brilliant for that first thing in the morning, desperation Nic-loading session!

Not too worried about corrosion, the exposed metal ends are tiny and at the bottom of the cart and should mostly be kept wet by the liquid, little oxygen = little rust.

My filler material is a filter material from a local aquarium shop but is nothing like the "Blue Foam Plug" material, which is not available here in SA. (k-lady is very kindly sending me some ). It tends to push down next to the paper clip a bit, but this doesn't seem to detract and it stays well moistened all the time. Refilling by syringe is quick and easy.

I may now confirm that the paper clip mod variant works great in large carts such as those for the Janty Stick.

Hoping you get it soon, Doug - mailed it a week ago today .

 

[umop apisdn]

Wow, k lady, that's incredibly nice of you.

Good luck Doug! You might want to consider dripping, it's not for everyone, but it's reliable and more controllable.

 

[k lady]

Wow, k lady, that's incredibly nice of you.

Good luck Doug! You might want to consider dripping, it's not for everyone, but it's reliable and more controllable.

Not really, umop, you get so much material for $8, I can share and still have enough to last me a couple of years!

In the process I found out why the USPS loses money - I sent an appx 2" x 3" piece of foam in a regular envelope all the way to South Africa for less than $1.50!! How ridiculous is that?? No one expects to pay that little - why don't they charge a little more, break even and give the American public one less government entity to gripe about?!

Well, when I become president....

 

[angelique510]

Blue Foam is the way to go!
Here is one link, but you can find tons of others.
Marineland Rite-Size U Bonded Foam Sleeve Sleeves

We here in the USA should buy as much as we can get from our local pet stores. Then we can send to our overseas vaping friends.

~A

 

[crashtestjeep]

1-remove batting
2-cut a tiny strip off one of the long sides,wash, pat dry, loosen
3-replace batting
4-Vape ON

Less is ALWAYS more when it comes to filler.....no matter what type u use.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Not really, umop, you get so much material for $8, I can share and still have enough to last me a couple of years!

In the process I found out why the USPS loses money - I sent an appx 2" x 3" piece of foam in a regular envelope all the way to South Africa for less than $1.50!! How ridiculous is that?? No one expects to pay that little - why don't they charge a little more, break even and give the American public one less government entity to gripe about?!

Well, when I become president....

I hope you DO become president, we in Africa need you!

K lady, don't underestimate the magnitude of the favour you're doing me, favours are not just about monetary value. Think of it as providing a complete stranger with something of value to them and which they could not get without you. That's what makes it, and you, special.

I'm surprised at the low postage cost, tell this to your dealers. For example, I can't find RY4 liquid here so I enquired about importing a 10ml RY4 from a couple of your US dealers. The quoted charge; $4 for the RY4 + $35 postage. 8-o To put that in perspective, if RY4 were available here I could get 100ml (with change), or add another $20 to it and buy a brand new DSE905 or M201 etc., starter kit.

 

[k lady]

I'm surprised at the low postage cost, tell this to your dealers. For example, I can't find RY4 liquid here so I enquired about importing a 10ml RY4 from a couple of your US dealers. The quoted charge; $4 for the RY4 + $35 postage. 8-o To put that in perspective, if RY4 were available here I could get 100ml (with change), or add another $20 to it and buy a brand new DSE905 or M201 etc., starter kit.

Boy, that sounds awfully high . I've shipped china plates, insured, to Europe and it wasn't that expensive. The biggest hassle in sending packages out of the US is filling out the forms. PM me with the details on what brand you want, Doug, and I'll check into the shipping costs. I might have to be a little creative when describing the contents!

 

[k lady]

1-remove batting
2-cut a tiny strip off one of the long sides,wash, pat dry, loosen
3-replace batting
4-Vape ON

Less is ALWAYS more when it comes to filler.....no matter what type u use.

Have you tried the foam, Crash?

 

[Doug_Dread]

Boy, that sounds awfully high . I've shipped china plates, insured, to Europe and it wasn't that expensive. The biggest hassle in sending packages out of the US is filling out the forms. PM me with the details on what brand you want, Doug, and I'll check into the shipping costs. I might have to be a little creative when describing the contents!

Gosh k lady, you have such a big heart, I think I'm in love, will you marry me?

I suspect their postage quotes are what is known as 'nuisance quotes' which suppliers/contractors etc., give to encourage one to go away, but if accepted, yield a huge profit on the service. I always choose to 'go away' and not deal with such people.

On the RY4 front, luckily, my supplier mailed me last night to say his shipment, including my Dekang RY4 request, came in yesterday. I shall go and try it out soonest. I hope it's great 'cause I'm getting pretty desperate for a decent tasting vape, atm, vaping is like an anti-smoking medicine i.e. they say medicine is supposed to taste bad or it doesn't work.

Your offer is however, highly appreciated. Raincheck?

 

[k lady]

Oh, well, er, um...tried that, twice, just not cut out for it, it seems... But, THANKS!!!!

With a little luck, you'll get the foam at the same time to really enjoy your RY4. If I was stuck with just the standard cart filler, I would probably have given up on vaping by now.

Anytime, Doug, just let me know.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Awww, the *crack* you heard was my heart breaking.

Picked up my RY4 10ml sample today, tried dripping some without a cart. Not offensive although I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I detected some caramel and some 555 nuttiness, but not nearly as nutty.

I've prepared an RY4 cart and will try it some more at my leasure before ruling on it.

No blue foam yet but stuff I've ordered from the US (in the days when postage was reasonable), has always taken 3 weeks or more, so plenty of slack left.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Good news k lady, your blue foam sample arrived today! Loved the accompanying card, nice touch, many thanks.

On opening the envelope I was assailed by a rather strong and unpleasant odour, seems whatever filtering agent it's coated with got claustrophobic in the confines of the envelope and just wanted out. 8-o I understand I must wash it until I get rid of the agent, will plain water and hand rinsing work or does it need something more aggressive? I'd hate to vape that residue but don't want to replace it with something worse, like detergent.

I've come to realise that the only reason we need cart mods is atty deterioration. I was struggling as usual to get a conventional-filler cart to wick and vape properly without constant topping or dripping, when I decided to plug a new atty into my Janty Stick. All of a sudden the Stick came back to life, hitting my throat like a sledgehammer and seemingly, judging from the vapour clouds, setting me on fire. The cart ran until dry and has done after each refill for a few days now.

I surmise that the high temperature of a new and powerful atty distributes through the liquid in the cart and causes good wicking, as opposed to a worn atty that just burns the face of the cart filler and fails to draw the liquid down.

On the Dekang RY4 front, my perception of the flavour went, over a couple of days, from wtf, to mmm, to hey, to coooool, to THAT is my permavape! The 10ml sample didn't last long but I couldn't very well ask my dealer to bring in a litre from China and then tell him I didn't like it! The litre left China a week ago and should be here next week, just in time for Xmas and if I'm right about my missus colluding with Santa, an M201 under the tree!