Help!!! Cherry Blossom from TPA is OIL BASED!!!

[Keita]

Ok, so I mixed my Cherry Blossom about a month ago and finally got around to vaping it.

I noticed that it is oil based... The flavoring just floats at the top and when I shake it, it is clearly oil...

How does one go about fixing this? I heard you can use alcohol but I dont know which one I can use? I have some Sake (Japanese rice wine) in my house but that is the only alcohol that I have. Will that work?

 

[Keita]

anyone? It has a very nice taste, but sometimes I taste pure bitter flavor which I think is the pure oil.

 

[Hoosier]

I use it and have never had a seperation issue nor any other indication that it is not soluble in PG/VG mixes. Nor do I have bitter issues.

Looking at this:

I see it is denser than either water and since oil is lighter than water, it is that much denser than oil. Add that it is more aciditic than base, the bitter makes me wonder again. (Bitter tastes are typically associated with bases.)

 

[Keita]

so you think i got a bad batch?

 

[Hoosier]

Actually I'm inclined to believe it is another component than that flavoring. Note that flavoring is also available in a VG carrier and if you've ever tried to mix any type of oil in VG, well...it's really really tough... So everything I know about that flavoring indicates it would never act like an oil. (If it were bad, it would be bad all the time, not some of the time. Think spoiled milk and see if you get any good flavor at any point while drinking a glass of spoiled milk, nope, it's bad at every taste.)

My first thought is it is your nic solution, but since I have no idea what else is in your mix, nor where you obtained the other components, that is just a wild guess.

 

[Keita]

The VG and PG is from TPA as well.

I mix it 50/50. The nicotine is from freedomsmokeusa which i mix at 8mg/ml. I have mixed many other times and this is the first time I have ever had this problem.

 

[Hoosier]

Any way something you didn't use in the mix could have gotten into the bottle?

Is it a glass bottle? (I'm getting really wild with a speculation that plastic leeching and/or mold release agent got into the mix now...)

 

[Ealisaid]

It's the triacetin in the flavoring.

From TPA's website:

"Triacetin is a flavor carrier used widely throughout the Food Industry.
It has been rated as GRAS (generally recognized as safe),
and inhalation tests have shown no outstanding issues.

However, it is not as water soluble as propylene glycol, and
it can separate out in some blends.
We recommend that you experiment with small amounts before purchasing
in large sizes, just to see if it will work with your application."


Perfumers Apprentice - Diluting Liquids

 

[Hoosier]

Ah, that would make more sense than my wild speculations. If the flavoring compound itself is separating one component out the taste could get very wacky.

I use less VG than the OP and haven't experienced the phenom.

 

[Tracker II]

Yah, the same thing happens Honeysuckle from TPA if too much VG is used. It's okay to use with higher VG, you just have to shake it up before using it each time.

 

[Keita]

Ok, thanks for the info... I was getting worried about a bad batch or "mold" or somthing haha. Someone mentinoed more PG? what do you normally mix this at? I dont have much of a problem shaking before each use but that can get annoying after some time. Is there anyway to make it soluable? Sake perhaps? (hah)

 

[favor1]

I just noticed that some of the Cherry Blossom I got easily dissolved the ink on the label, although the cap seemed to have no signs of wear. It could be the Triacetin.

 

[favor1]

Bingo: anything that contains Triacetin is a plasticizer:

The triacetin is applied to the filter as a plasticizer.[4]

The next statement is taken from the wiki about plasticizers, which may or may not include triacetin, but who knows really?

Substantial concerns have been expressed over the safety of some plasticizers, especially because they have been classified as endocrine disruptors.

Here's the source, although I don't think most people would care to read such a long pdf since it's kind of implied already:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19680025022_1968025022.pdf

 

[favor1]

Blehh, I was really looking forward to Blueberry Candy and Cherry Blossom, now I don't know if I should vape it, which sucks considering I got the 30ml versions.

Edit: The funny thing is i'm vaping Cherry Blossom now, tastes good but probably won't reorder