Help Choosing New Mod.

[Kiva]

So to start out I have an eVic and it is the only thing that I use (started out using an eGo then used an eGo Twist before buying the eVic). I just recently got into rba's and picked up an AGA-T2. I have been looking into getting a higher quality Genesis but have been looking into Hybrids. I love the idea of them. But most of the hybrids are mechanicals, thus no Variable Voltage. Then I spotted the orion V3. I would love to have one. But I guess my questions are: What would you guys suggest? Those that have used VV or VW units and mechanicals. And what are the benefits or drawbacks of having a mechanical over a VV/VW?


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[BigEd781]

As an aside, mechanical mod + kick == VV (VP).

 

[Baditude]

Just my since you asked:

I have a Silver Bullet (not technically a true mechanical, but close enough IMO) and two Provari's (variable voltage and loaded with electronic and mechanical safety features).

I have two AGA T2's that I had full intention of using on my Silver Bullet. However, I happen to prefer a cooler vape and use standard resistance atomizers typically because I don't need my vape to have the heat of an analog. I'd rather simply enjoy flavor and vapor production. So, I build my coils around 2.0 ohm and find this extremely satisfying on the AGA's.

I also like to adjust voltage to the particular flavor that I'm using, and I like to frequently change out flavors. For these reasons, I found that the Provari's better fit my needs than the semi-mechanical Silver Bullet.

A pure mechanical mod has very limited safety features. Basically, we're talking about vent holes and a hot spring, which become useful only AFTER a battery has already hard-shorted and begins to vent hot gases. Yeah, you use "protected" batteries or "safer chemistry" IMR batteries, but also keep in mind that the batteries that we use in APV's were not specifically designed to be used or pushed to their limits like they are with an RBA.

On the other hand, variable voltage/wattage APV's all have electonic safety features built into their microprocessors to detect a malfunction in either the atomizer or a battery, and will shut itself down in such an event. Mechanical PV users use mech's specifically to bypass these very safety features because they believe they can not get the "results" they want with the limitations that the electronic PV's provide. Meaning, most of them build sub-1 ohm coils which the electronic PV's refuse to recognize as a safe situation. I guess these people like living dangerously.

As Phil Busardo recently said in one of his rants about ultra low resistance vaping, "Sometimes just because you can, doesn't mean you should." 3:00 - 6:00 minute marks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvjf0ALR0Zo




AGA T2's on my Silver Bullet and Provari's.

 

[Vego]

The benefit of having a mech mod comes into play for a user who wants to use rba devices with a low resistance setups. As you start to get into sub-ohm vaping, you run into protection problems with the vv/vw devices which will cut out and make it difficult to work out hotspots, pulse coils into submission and even vape at all with low ohms due to amp/watt limits. These issues are non-existant with a mech, as it will provide as much power as the batt is capable of all the time without any protections to interfere.

If you prefer vaping above say 1.3ohm, you'd probably be better off with vv/vw. If you're looking to get into sub-ohm, grab a good mech and some quality batts.

 

[Kiva]

The benefit of having a mech mod comes into play for a user who wants to use rba devices with a low resistance setups. As you start to get into sub-ohm vaping, you run into protection problems with the vv/vw devices which will cut out and make it difficult to work out hotspots, pulse coils into submission and even vape at all with low ohms due to amp/watt limits. These issues are non-existant with a mech, as it will provide as much power as the batt is capable of all the time without any protections to interfere.

If you prefer vaping above say 1.3ohm, you'd probably be better off with vv/vw. If you're looking to get into sub-ohm, grab a good mech and some quality batts.

Okay. That makes sense to me.
Are there any benefits of vaping below 1 ohm other than more vapor and a Warmer vape? I have been building my coils around 1.8 ohms. And am content with it. But I haven't really gone below that. Maybe I should give it a try.


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[Baditude]

Okay. That makes sense to me.
Are there any benefits of vaping below 1 ohm other than more vapor and a Warmer vape? I have been building my coils around 1.8 ohms. And am content with it. But I haven't really gone below that. Maybe I should give it a try.

Just curious. With what has been said in this thread alone, what makes you wish to give ultra low resistance a try?

 

[hazozita]

Just curious. With what has been said in this thread alone, what makes you wish to give ultra low resistance a try?

Good question, and I’m not answering it on behalf of the OP, but rather for my own experience – you don’t know if you’re going to like something until you try it.

I was puzzled as to why anyone would use a mechanical device given all the advantages of a regulated device. I thought my Provari (and several other regulated devices) were perfect for me.

But I’m curious by nature, and I tried a genesis on a mechanical. So very glad I did, since some flavors (fruits in general and pear in specific) just come alive at 0.8 or so ohms. Yes, they tasted good at higher res, but they taste a lot better at lower. (On the other hand, baked goods flavors tasted horrible at low res.)

I also found I really appreciated the simplicity of a mechanical. I still use and like regulated devices, but I find mechanicals more enjoyable.

So, to the OP, absolutely give low resistance a try. Taste is very subjective – you might love it; you might hate it. Never know until you try. Be careful, avail yourself of the reams of info on ECF and the many videos on the topic before you start, but you may find that going lower can raise your current vaping contentment level.

 

[Kiva]

Good question, and I’m not answering it on behalf of the OP, but rather for my own experience – you don’t know if you’re going to like something until you try it.

I was puzzled as to why anyone would use a mechanical device given all the advantages of a regulated device. I thought my Provari (and several other regulated devices) were perfect for me.

But I’m curious by nature, and I tried a genesis on a mechanical. So very glad I did, since some flavors (fruits in general and pear in specific) just come alive at 0.8 or so ohms. Yes, they tasted good at higher res, but they taste a lot better at lower. (On the other hand, baked goods flavors tasted horrible at low res.)

I also found I really appreciated the simplicity of a mechanical. I still use and like regulated devices, but I find mechanicals more enjoyable.

So, to the OP, absolutely give low resistance a try. Taste is very subjective – you might love it; you might hate it. Never know until you try. Be careful, avail yourself of the reams of info on ECF and the many videos on the topic before you start, but you may find that going lower can raise your current vaping contentment level.

I completely agree with what you said. No matter what anyone tells me about what they like, I will never be sure until I like it. And I'd hate to buy a mechanical and not like low ohm vaping. Even though I have been eyeing a Zenesis.

Although would I be right to say that mechanicals can still be used with higher ohm coils? Or are they just much better to use with low res ones? I have heard that the eVic I have can't go below 1.2 or 1.3, though I haven't tried. I will give it a shot after I get out of finals and let you guys know what I think.


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[hazozita]

You can certainly use a mech with higher ohms, but the experience may or may not be to your liking. For me, I usually stay at 1.5 or under on a mech. I can go up to about 2.0 on a mech with a fresh battery for some flavors. Over 2.0 I only use a VV/VW device.

If you want to dip your toe in the mech market, perhaps start with one of the many Chinese-made mechs from Smok, Segeli, Kamry, etc. Build quality is way below a high-end mech, but you’re talking $50 or less (and I’ve seen some listed on Vapor Joes site for less than $25 shipped). If you find low ohms don’t float your boat, you’re not out a lot of $. If you're willing to gamble a bit more cash, the Puresmoker Legacy is a solid choice, but will be about $90 or so.

If you do end up going higher end afterwards, a cheap mech remains useful, if for nothing else other than to work out hot spots in a coil.

 

[gbojar]

For me the main benefit of a mechanical is its longevity. Those wonderful Provaris will last a few years with good care, but a mechanical can last a lifetime with a little cleaning and care. I also enjoy its simplicity, and smaller size due to not having an inch or so of real estate taken up by a board and wires. Most VV devices are 18650 which can be quite cumbersome to carry in the pocket, even for a smaller mechanical. Then there is the fact that we are using liquids that can seep into the unit through the switch or what have you which could damage the electronic components. Get a little liquid in a mechanical just wipe it off, go over the contacts with a light alcohol wipe and it's good to go. Another reason I prefer mechanicals, but I believe it is just me, is anything over about 4.8 volts just tastes burnt, especially in an RBA. Again, that is just me but I'm sure it could happen to others.

So there are many more benefits to owning a mechanical over a VV than just the ability to vape sub ohm coils.

 

[hcmh]

I prefer my dna20 mod over my mechanicals lately. More consistant vape, even with sub ohm coils. The battery life is so much better with a regulated mod than a mechanical.

 

[Chikenbok]

Personally, all my mechs are kicked. Tried sub ohms, never really got into it (without the kick of course).

Why do I collect mechs then you ask? Because they're unbelievably beautiful and, as previously posted, will last forever (not to say my Provari wont). There is something nice about knowing you can drop your PV into a tub of water with a battery in it, take the battery out, let it dry, put a new battery in, and fire it up.

Of course - I still vape mostly on my Provari's but at home or at meets, I love bringing out the pretty mechs.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Just my since you asked:

I have a Silver Bullet (not technically a true mechanical, but close enough IMO) and two Provari's (variable voltage and loaded with electronic and mechanical safety features).

I have two AGA T2's that I had full intention of using on my Silver Bullet. However, I happen to prefer a cooler vape and use standard resistance atomizers typically because I don't need my vape to have the heat of an analog. I'd rather simply enjoy flavor and vapor production. So, I build my coils around 2.0 ohm and find this extremely satisfying on the AGA's.

I also like to adjust voltage to the particular flavor that I'm using, and I like to frequently change out flavors. For these reasons, I found that the Provari's better fit my needs than the semi-mechanical Silver Bullet.

A pure mechanical mod has very limited safety features. Basically, we're talking about vent holes and a hot spring, which become useful only AFTER a battery has already hard-shorted and begins to vent hot gases. Yeah, you use "protected" batteries or "safer chemistry" IMR batteries, but also keep in mind that the batteries that we use in APV's were not specifically designed to be used or pushed to their limits like they are with an RBA.

On the other hand, variable voltage/wattage APV's all have electonic safety features built into their microprocessors to detect a malfunction in either the atomizer or a battery, and will shut itself down in such an event. Mechanical PV users use mech's specifically to bypass these very safety features because they believe they can not get the "results" they want with the limitations that the electronic PV's provide. Meaning, most of them build sub-1 ohm coils which the electronic PV's refuse to recognize as a safe situation. I guess these people like living dangerously.

As Phil Busardo recently said in one of his rants about ultra low resistance vaping, "Sometimes just because you can, doesn't mean you should." 3:00 - 6:00 minute marks A PBusardo Rant & Review - The NZonic V3 - YouTube


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AGA T2's on my Silver Bullet and Provari's.

I use the AGA on my Vamo at 1.5 to 2ohms and it is very satisfying as you say.

 

[Kiva]

I prefer my dna20 mod over my mechanicals lately. More consistant vape, even with sub ohm coils. The battery life is so much better with a regulated mod than a mechanical.

Which DNA20 mod?


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