Help me decide between the VV and the Grand

[LarryPer]

Thanks in advance
I have a mini and love it, but its time for another

Will the VV add to the vape with the higher possible voltage and does it have a built in fuse?
And will it keep a constant voltage like a like my Vamo or will it loose voltage like my mini?
How has the reliability on these and can you wash them in the sink like my mini?

 

[Dturp]

The VV will keep constant voltage like any regulated device. No you can't wash it like the mini. You can however wash the grand in the sink and adjust the vape with coil builds to suit what you like. I always suggest the Grand, I am a bit biased but it's durability is second to none.

 

[MamaTried]

the mini is the appetizer, the grand is the main course, the VVG is dessert...

i would also recommend a grand before anything else

 

[jcalis1394]

The VVG like any other regulated mod as an electronic chip built in it so you can't wash it in the sink.

The mini and Grand are both mechanical devices. They have their regular voltage drop, and if that's remotely of concern (shouldn't be unless you vape at 0.8 ohms and below) there's a kit coming out soon which will rank the REO in the top mech mods regarding voltage drop.

I'm biased as well as I've moved on from VV devices. Then again I rarely vape at 15 watts and below. In terms of reliability a REO Grand is the top winner, as a mechanical can be repaired easily and last you a lifetime. I adjust my coils to the wattage I want to vape at. BUT if you vape at 15 watts and below, a VVG is a great addition to your arsenal.

 

[nerak]

Thanks in advance
I have a mini and love it, but its time for another

Will the VV add to the vape with the higher possible voltage and does it have a built in fuse?
And will it keep a constant voltage like a like my Vamo or will it loose voltage like my mini?
How has the reliability on these and can you wash them in the sink like my mini?

Think of the Grand as a Mini only larger in size, longer lasting battery and twice the juice on board.

The VV Grand adds the chip for VV and changes to two batteries stacked. You would be leaving the mechanical realm behind and the simplicity that you now have with the Mini. You will gain the capability of fine tuning your voltage to your liking. Also regulated discharge of the batteries. They give you the same vape first hit to last.

The VV Grand does not have a low battery cut off. It will discharge your batteries to around 2.5 volts when they stop working. You really need to pull them at around 3.5 v to achieve the longest battery life.

 

[azzaman]

Silly question, can you fit a 18650 in a vv grand ? Is there a mod to do this?

 

[MamaTried]

Think of the Grand as a Mini only larger in size, longer lasting battery and twice the juice on board.

The VV Grand adds the chip for VV and changes to two batteries stacked. You would be leaving the mechanical realm behind and the simplicity that you now have with the Mini. You will gain the capability of fine tuning your voltage to your liking. Also regulated discharge of the batteries. They give you the same vape first hit to last.

The VV Grand does not have a low battery cut off. It will discharge your batteries to around 2.5 volts when they stop working. You really need to pull them at around 3.5 v to achieve the longest battery life.

please correct me if i'm wrong, but if you just let a VVG sit (even after it's dropped below working level) without turning the on/off to off, it will drain them all the way down.

i murdered a lot of AW IMR 350's before i stumbled on that...

also, i have read it's a good idea to rotate your 350s between the top and bottom positions, but since i'm a 350 serial killer, i can't confirm that...

 

[RedhatPat]

I say the the Reo Grand is like a -_-insert your favorite mech here-_- and the VVG is like the Provari of bottom juice feeders because it's regulated and protected right out of the box.

I was a 3 pack a day smoker for over 20 years. A Reo @ 7-8 watts with any ol' carto and atty on top is all I feel I'll _need_ to stay smokefree without risk of landing myself on the 6 o'clock news (or getting an asbestos tongue in 5 years) and since both the Grand & VVG can do this then ya win either way ya slice it. They're both Reos afterall, the Grand is just more versatile.

You just need to be more knowledgable about what's going on when using a Grand (or any mechanical for that matter) because there's no safety in place out of the box like there is in a VVG. Sorry folks, but a spring is not safety.

Clocked in 7 months on my VVG here, never felt I missing out on something or got buyers' remorse.

RHP

 

[RedhatPat]

Silly question, can you fit a 18650 in a vv grand ? Is there a mod to do this?

No! And thanks for opening up old wounds

RHP

 

[Vapeaddikt]

Easy



..........GRAND

 

[darkzero]

please correct me if i'm wrong, but if you just let a VVG sit (even after it's dropped below working level) without turning the on/off to off, it will drain them all the way down.

i murdered a lot of AW IMR 350's before i stumbled on that...

also, i have read it's a good idea to rotate your 350s between the top and bottom positions, but since i'm a 350 serial killer, i can't confirm that...

I'm glad you brought that up D. I searched but never found an answer. The same thing happens with my VVG. Pretty much killed two brand new AWs because of that. I hate drivers with parasitic drain. Whenever I got a flashlight that had parasitic drain I got rid of it right away no matter how much I liked it or modded with a different driver. I haven't decided to get rid of the VVG yet because of this but I have thought about it many times. I don't use my VVG much, it sits with the switch off more than it gets used.

As for the OP, I would vote for the Grand first. I can live with out a VVG but not a Grand.

Silly question, can you fit a 18650 in a vv grand ? Is there a mod to do this?

You could but it won't be sufficient to power the stock driver.

 

[Vapeaddikt]

Thanks in advance
I have a mini and love it, but its time for another

Will the VV add to the vape with the higher possible voltage and does it have a built in fuse?
And will it keep a constant voltage like a like my Vamo or will it loose voltage like my mini?
How has the reliability on these and can you wash them in the sink like my mini?

The BIGGEST misconception all of the Pro-Vari-Illuminati's ect have is this.

When I started vaping I did the whole Pro-vari, Vamo, eVic, VV/VW thing. I mean being able to control your Volts means its more EPIC right?

WRONG.

Lets put this into perspective, Volts, Watts, Ω's, and Amps are what goes into Ω's calculator.

ALL of your VV/VW devices are regulated meaning they can only push things to certain limits. The DNA20D goes up to 20 watts which is higher than Provari, VAMO, Evic, ect but in the end doesn't even come close to what many of us have vaped in terms on watts on here at sub Ω's.

Here try this, go to Ω's online calculator and let just say put in 3.7volts and put in .5Ω's then click calculate and look at how many watts it converts into which should be 27......watts. Now try the same computation at 4volts.

Thing is YES you can technically raise the volts but only so much so long as its within the limits which are all inherently lower than a grand can handle.

Once your done w/ that go to you vamo and see what the limit is on it for watts or volts....also look at how low on Ω's you can go on your RBA before it errors out. Bottom line it nor Provari or any other regulated device will come close.

If you don't subΩ vape then the VV will be fine for you. With the Grand you can wash it, piss on it, rub some dirt on it, run over it w/ your car and vape it. The damn thing won't break.

ALL true mech's will get battery drain, no if ands or butts about it. The thing of it is, 80+ % of the full battery life is within a 3.6-3.7 volt range prior to rapid drop off which marks when you need to swap the battery out. Invest in good quality batteries and keep a spare on you fully charged with one full in it when you leave. You won't have issues w/ juice though the day. In its current design I'm not a fan of stacking batteries on the VV. Not knocking it I just don't want to stack batteries and have to have 4 18350's on me.

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

my opinion doesn't mean much because I only have the Grand but these are the reason's why I chose it instead of the VV.

A... I already had 2 18650 batteries
B... Cost
C... I can choose how hot I want by just the build of the coil so the VV was pointless to me
D... I can wash the Grand with no issues and the VV you can't and I am constantly making a mess and can't stand for my hands to get sticky so I wash it a LOT!!
E... I have crappy luck with VV... lol

Other than those reason's I say get what YOU want, what is calling your name?

 

[MamaTried]

The BIGGEST misconception all of the Pro-Vari-Illuminati's ect have is this.

When I started vaping I did the whole Pro-vari, Vamo, eVic, VV/VW thing. I mean being able to control your Volts means its more EPIC right?

WRONG.

Lets put this into perspective, Volts, Watts, Ω's, and Amps are what goes into Ω's calculator.

ALL of your VV/VW devices are regulated meaning they can only push things to certain limits. The DNA20D goes up to 20 watts which is higher than Provari, VAMO, Evic, ect but in the end doesn't even come close to what many of us have vaped in terms on watts on here at sub Ω's.

Here try this, go to Ω's online calculator and let just say put in 3.7volts and put in .5Ω's then click calculate and look at how many watts it converts into which should be 27......watts. Now try the same computation at 4volts.

Thing is YES you can technically raise the volts but only so much so long as its within the limits which are all inherently lower than a grand can handle.

Once your done w/ that go to you vamo and see what the limit is on it for watts or volts....also look at how low on Ω's you can go on your RBA before it errors out. Bottom line it nor Provari or any other regulated device will come close.

If you don't subΩ vape then the VV will be fine for you. With the Grand you can wash it, piss on it, rub some dirt on it, run over it w/ your car and vape it. The damn thing won't break.

ALL true mech's will get battery drain, no if ands or butts about it. The thing of it is, 80+ % of the full battery life is within a 3.6-3.7 volt range prior to rapid drop off which marks when you need to swap the battery out. Invest in good quality batteries and keep a spare on you fully charged with one full in it when you leave. You won't have issues w/ juice though the day. In its current design I'm not a fan of stacking batteries on the VV. Not knocking it I just don't want to stack batteries and have to have 4 18350's on me.

i normally pass out from bumping my head on my desk before i can make it thru that long of a post...

must be related to your avatar & sig i stayed awake...

oh yeah, you always make a heck of a lot of sense

 

[Matthee]

The Grand - it can hit like a train if you want it to!

 

[greigster]

Great thread. I have been thinking about the same thing, I have a Mini and a Grand, now should I get a VV Grand. From the information above, I think I have made up my mind..........it is going to have to be another non VV Grand.

Cheers Guys

 

[bones1274]

I am partial to the Grand. If 3.7v isn't enough, you can always go 6v.

 

[ltrainer]

You can also Kick a Grand if you want to go VW and still wash your Grand under water. IF your electronics crap out you can pop in an 18650.

 

[NicoHolic]

Mechanical Grand.

 

[Big Hitter]

Grand all the way .... I've had two different VV Grands and traded or sold them both .....

Just sold my amazing VV Woodvil as well .....

The cons just out way the pros for me .... My biggest one is stacking batteries, I just don't like it.

Second is the fact that the VV REOs will drain the batts down so low my doohicky won't even register the voltage ...
(Checking with my meter it seems around 2.4) Thats not cool IMO, but yest its always my fault for not changing out earlier.
But it is easy to forget with the vape not dropping off like a mech. I've killed 6 18350s with VV REOs and never killed an 18350 with a mech mod .... Heck I'm pulling them out and charging before 3.6 usually.

Third, its going to break sometime ...... not a fan of things breaking that I can't fix.

Fourth I like to wash my mods often. I keep my stuff clean !!