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k2zs · Jul 5, 2015

With all the turmoil lately about DA / AP and other harmful stuff, I want to start making my own liquids. This really concerns me since I was a Castle Long junkie for the past year. I've since switched over to my other favorite profile, Menthol's.

I have a current couple of favorites but I'm afraid that they won't be available any longer. Right now I'm vaping 3 of Zen's ZFO Reserve menthol's; Berry Menthol, Black Ice, and Real Menthol (with a bunch of Samba Sun mixed in). They're all great but I know I have the last bottle of Black Ice in existence and when the others are gone it may be a long time until they're available again.

What I would like to know is where can I find flavor extracts that are DA / AP free? I look at the Nude Nicotine site and see that all (or most) of their pre-made juices test clean, could I assume that their extracts are as well?

I would think that Menthol with a fruit flavor should be safe anyway as the bad stuff usually shows up in the creamy, buttery flavor profiles. So what's next? How do I get started?

I was thinking of starting with some of Nude's pre Nic'd base and buying a menthol and a few fruits. Is that a good way to start? What else would I need.

I see recipes posted where a sweetener is added, is that where DA / AP come into play?

Sir2fyablyNutz · Jul 5, 2015

k2zs · Jul 5, 2015

Wow, thanks.... But that's quite the "Info Overload" goin on....

Out of all that, who would you recommend for clean flavorings?

Sir2fyablyNutz · Jul 5, 2015

k2zs said:
Wow, thanks.... But that's quite the "Info Overload" goin on....

Out of all that, who would you recommend for clean flavorings?

I use mostly TFA, Capella, Flavor Art (concentrated), and some Flavor West. When you have a recipe that calls for a certain custard, look to see if it also comes in a Version 2 or DX. I don't use my DIY to make exact copies of a recipe, but to make juice I enjoy, and it does take some experimentation. (just ask my kitchen drain)

The vendors I use the most are BullCity, Wizard Labs, and Ecig Express (Signature is TFA). They are all rebottled from the manufacturers, but my service has been good from them. I don't know of any manufacturer who is 100% bad stuff free (mainly because these are food flavorings where it doesn't matter), but most have options.

dc99 · Jul 5, 2015

I agree with the above. Mostly I use RTS for flavorings. You can get a base mixed if your sure on the blend you want. Nothing wrong with starting that way but keep in mind that if you want 12mg and you buy a base of 12 then when you add flavorings you will change that ratio. You will also alter your PG/VG ratio because most flavorings are PG based.
When you decide, try this one. 14% blackberry (tfa) and 3% menthol

zoiDman · Jul 5, 2015

k2zs said:
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I see recipes posted where a sweetener is added, is that where DA / AP come into play?

Hi k2zs.

I think what you will find is that DA / AP comes into play in Flavors that are either Buttery or Creamy or Both. Not in the Sweetener.

I have not Seen many Pure Fruit Flavors or Menthol Flavors that have DA or AP in them. Not saying that they Can't. So be Vigilant. And do your Research.

But if a Flavor Isn't Buttery or Creamy, like say Butterscotch or Pralines and Cream or Some Chocolates, chance are that it does Not contain DA or AP or Both.

k2zs · Jul 5, 2015

That helps, thanks.

So I installed the eJuiceMeUp program and tryed inputting a sample recipe from their site in the 70/30 (pg/vg) 12mg profile I'm looking for. It seemed pretty simple with only 3 flavors and sounds like it would be close to my favorite, Black Ice. I think I'm gonna give it a try

So I see a spot for Water/Vodka/PGA. What would I do that for? What does that add to a finished liquid?

Sir2fyablyNutz · Jul 5, 2015

The water/Vodka/PGA is for when you add either of these ingredients to a recipe. They are most often used when you don't use any PG, and are used to thin the VG in a recipe. It's probably very rare to find a recipe to use either of these so just leave it at zero and you'll be fine.

k2zs · Jul 5, 2015

dc99 said:
I agree with the above. Mostly I use RTS for flavorings. You can get a base mixed if your sure on the blend you want. Nothing wrong with starting that way but keep in mind that if you want 12mg and you buy a base of 12 then when you add flavorings you will change that ratio. You will also alter your PG/VG ratio because most flavorings are PG based.
When you decide, try this one. 14% blackberry (tfa) and 3% menthol

Thanks, that sounds really good...

Yea, I was thinking I'd start out simple and get some 48mg 70(pg)/30(vg) nic base, some VG, some PG, and a couple of flavors....

k2zs · Jul 5, 2015

Sir2fyablyNutz said:
The water/Vodka/PGA is for when you add either of these ingredients to a recipe. They are most often used when you don't use any PG, and are used to thin the VG in a recipe. It's probably very rare to find a recipe to use either of these so just leave it at zero and you'll be fine.

Thanks, so far this has been a big help....

zoiDman · Jul 5, 2015

k2zs said:
That helps, thanks.

So I installed the eJuiceMeUp program and tryed inputting a sample recipe from their site in the 70/30 (pg/vg) 12mg profile I'm looking for. It seemed pretty simple with only 3 flavors and sounds like it would be close to my favorite, Black Ice. I think I'm gonna give it a try

So I see a spot for Water/Vodka/PGA. What would I do that for? What does that add to a finished liquid?

Cool. Let use know what it Taste Like.

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Since this might be your 1st Recipe. I'll give you the Single Greatest piece of Advise that I give Anyone who is New.

It is OK to Taste Test a Freshly Mixed e-Liquid. In fact, it is Recommended.

But you should leave the e-Liquid to sit for 2 ~ 3 Days BEFORE you make any changes to your Recipe. Because the Flavor of Most Mixes will change from sitting for the first 2 ~ 3 Days.

And whatever you Mix. Keep Detailed and Accurate Records of Everything you Do.

Nothing worse in Adding a Dash off this and 6 Drops of that and Making the Best Damn e-Liquid you have Every Tasted. But then Not being able to make it again because you Forgot what the Dash Was? Or was it 6 Drops of this or 9 Drops of something else.

sketchness · Jul 5, 2015

Bull city vapors is pretty good about listing flavors with questionable ingredients. Even how much when the info is available to them. I think ecig express does to an extent as well. But the way bcv flags then is easy for me to digest visually.

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