help me, having debate with anti-ecigger

[jwoode]

pat her on the head, smile politely, write her off, move on.

 

[klynnn]

There comes a point with some people that it is not even worth trying. Kinda like common sense some have it some don't. Why waste the time.

 

[leelee.d]

All of us who vape, need to join CASAA and help educate the uninformed. It is free to join. Go to the CASAA web site, join and you will find a good deal of studies and information that will easily help you rebut her comments. Just click on the signature for CASAA at the bottom of my post.

That is one of the first things I did when I came aboard with ECF. I wanted to absorb as much knowledge (and still do) about vaping because I just knew my work friends were going to come at me with both barrels. Amazingly, they didn't! My friends are also interested in hearing about it and not to just simply argue over the "chemistry" of it. Good luck and I do hope you get some good answers so you can get her to understand.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

There have been studies done that when a person has a deeply held belief, no matter what that belief is, that being presented with facts that disproves that belief actually makes many people double down on their wrong belief. Take the people who believe that the earth is flat. Yes, they exist. It doesn't matter what scientific evidence is presented to them that the earth is a sphere. They just double down on their belief and fight harder for it. Something about human nature. No one wants to ever be wrong.


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[Damian_D]

Just smile and wave boys... Smile and wave.. What you have there is a flat earther. Meaning a person who no matter what evidence you provide or facts you explain, if she believes the earth is flat the no matter what you say or show her she will deny the fact that the earth is round. So if she thinks "smoke" then smoke is the idea she will defend. Good luck with that one. In my book she gets the dunce cap for the day


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[David Muffmucher]

Boiling vs. burning

If she still doesn't get it, forget it. She's hopeless.

 

[Spazmelda]

Ask her if she thinks water burns when it boils on the stove.

 

[FearTX]

I was going to type some good explanations but decided you are wasting your time. Try google if you think the person really wants to know, chances are they just want to argue.

You cannot explain things to people that do not want to know. I would just give up, take a vape and go my way.

 

[crxess]

Is she a poor cook?
Does she BURN WATER?

 

[Bunnykiller]

You aren't going to win. If they can't understand that you are boiling the liquid then they probably had problems in school understanding the ABC's! Tell them to look inside their toaster and see the coils glowing if that would help..

probably not, they would correlate that to burning toast

 

[sdennislee]

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. Unless you just like to argue for the sport of it as she seems to do, give up.

 

[Top_Bunk]

I'll play devil's advocate here... e-liquid will sustain a flame under the right conditions. When drying out a mesh genny to dry-burn, several times I ended up with a flame that needed blown out. Nothing but mesh, Kanthal, and high-VG e-juice.

That doesn't mean that she is right, quite the opposite. The temperatures that I subjected it to were well beyond the normal vaping temperatures, which simply vaporize the liquid.

 

[beckdg]

is she a politician by chance?

 

[Noble Gas]

Lots of good suggestions, but I would start with something simple like 'Ever see your breath on a cold day? It's like that.'

And try to avoid calling them an idiot to their face, as that tends to put people off.

 

[certus11]

She claims that even though the water is vaporizing, the PG (denies glycerin is even an ingredient... ) and that the flavours and propylene glycol are actually burning.. her argument is that its basic chemistry (which she clearly doesnt seem to understand)

I need some help with this as I have no sources or anything... I basically stated that there is no combustion as there is no flame involved. Only an electronically heated coil to a controlled temperature.

Seriously, this person is so ignorant it hurts, but im not about arguing, I want to inform her with sources...

Anyone?

Thanks!

Jst tell her that it's more like steaming than burning, seek come on grown, and move on.

 

[Dana A]

Funny one!

Burning implies combustion of carbon.. that is not occurring. Ionization is quickly heating a material.. typically a liquid.. that it expands quickly into a gas. You can't argue scientific points with a close minded idiot, so maybe spend your time on something more productive?

 

[dr jekyll]

as previously stated people will believe what they want

 

[choochoogranny]

Ask her if she uses those pretty smelly crystals in her hot steaming bath, or soap in her hot shower, or does she inhale the scent of her home made soup, pot roast, etc. If she uses incense or candles, she better stop 'cause no tellin' what harm is being done. How about those room deodorizers that plug in the wall?........

 

[skoony]

i know i'm asking for it here,so here goes.
just because there is no flame does not mean there is no combustion going on.
that gunk that accumulates on your coils is burnt juice.
a red hot coil will burn things.
the point is there is so much juice that 99.999999999% of it vaporizes
and prevent flames from starting.
your right in saying its vapor as any combustion would be non measurable compaired
to an analog.

regards
mike

 

[rurwin]

> that gunk that accumulates on your coils is burnt juice.

Not necessarily. It could be reduced juice. With an efficient coil it never gets to red hot unless you are dry-burning it. It only reaches the boiling point of the liquid.

That's not to say some combustion definitely will not happen in an inefficient build, and no build is 100% efficient.