Help me to understand this......

[CrazyTerrie11]

Would someone please break this down for me?? What am I really vaping? Its from the FDA so I dont really want to believe these lying jerks but Is anything here the truth?? Thanks in advance for some expert help here....

FDA warning: E-cigarettes contain toxic chemicals - Phoenix Arizona news, breaking news, local news, weather radar, traffic from ABC15 News | ABC15.com

 

[hawwy]

i want to kn0w this too , is is very dangerous...? also it say on e liquid nicotine is poisonous in natural form but when vaped is it ok?#

let us know

thanks

 

[Lalesa]

The FDA says these are bad! OMG!
Just kidding with you.
You need to leave the new members area and read, read, read.
There is SO much you need to learn.

 

[mzruzz]

Many things presented in such a way as to alarm you will do just that! Most gardeners will tell you never to touch tomato plants after smoking a cigarette, or wear gloves. The nicotine will damage and or kill the tomato plant. This is a known fact. I do not know the effects of vaping, but I know how bad cigarettes are. IMO this is the lesser of the two.

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Testing/FDA:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rty-technical-review-analysis-fda-report.html

Info on e-liquids:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing/2716-e-liquid-lab-toxicology-reports.html

There are search features on the forum. The Google search (at the very bottom of the page, on the left side) is the best one to look for information within the ECF. Depending on the key words you use, you should be able to find most info. on any topic you need to find.

 

[madman3237]

Dangerous? Not so much. More so than not smoking anything, but much much less than smoking tobacco. The FDA press release was designed to be alarmist and played fast and loose with the facts. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-questions-about-electronic-cigarettes.htmlRead the FAQS

 

[Brachinus]

I'm not sure which line is funnier:

"The products are marketed by two U.S. companies; Smoking Everywhere in Florida and NJOY located here in Scottsdale." Just two, huh?

"The analyses also found carcinogens, which can cause cancer." Gee, thanks for the clarification.

I guess maybe I should go back to lighting tobacco on fire and inhaling the smoke. I wouldn't want to be putting any carcinogens (which can cause cancer!) into my system.

 

[gooney0]

The antifreeze statement is one I see a lot. That statement is meant to alarm you since you know that drinking antifreeze can kill you.

They fail to point out that PG is not the ingredient which makes antifreeze poisonous.

Most poisonous products in your home contain an ingredient you ingest cups of per day! (water) Your kitchen is full of potential murder weapons. (knives)

These kinds of statements anger me. Either the originator is stupid or he thinks I am. Shame on ABC for not digging a little deeper for the truth and checking their facts. They just went for the headline with the most "sizzle."

There are valid concerns about PVs and the fluid used in them. I would like to see an intelligent discussion on these safety issues: Quality control and labeling, safety of ingredients (including flavor additives), addiction concerns, use by minors etc. etc.

-Gooney0

 

[Brachinus]

Shame on ABC for not digging a little deeper for the truth and checking their facts. They just went for the headline with the most "sizzle."

Agreed, but I have to note that it's not really "ABC" at fault, it's a tiny little local affiliate. The whole newsroom probably has a handful of people working there.

Not that ABC is necessarily any paragon of journalistic excellence, but don't blame the huge network for a sloppy report by some podunk outfit that happens to broadcast its news program on an ABC channel.

 

[CrazyTerrie11]

The FDA says these are bad! OMG!
Just kidding with you.
You need to leave the new members area and read, read, read.
There is SO much you need to learn.

Oh I know the FDA is full of crap and they wouldnt know a "fact" if it slapped them in the face. Well they only understand any BS that will benefit them financially. It blows me away how they can blatantly say this crap about ecigs when analogs are way worse. Granted, they say some scary things about some of these chemicals that are suppose to be in the ecig (i dont buy it) I just need to figure out what I need to say to these people who freak out when I say I quit analogs by vaping instead. I need to get my "speach" written down and memorize it.

 

[AngusATAT]

The antifreeze statement is one I see a lot. That statement is meant to alarm you since you know that drinking antifreeze can kill you.

They fail to point out that PG is not the ingredient which makes antifreeze poisonous.

A common misconception (that I used to make myself). The "chemical found in antifreeze" that they are referring to is the Diethylene Glycol found in one sample they tested. Diethylene Glycol is nasty, bad stuff. However, what the FDA conveniently did not elaborate on is the fact that it was found in a very minute trace amount (something like 8ppb (parts per billion)), and the same chemical is found in tobacco at a much, much, much higher concentration. You would have to vape the equivalent of literally thousands of carts a day of this particularly "tainted" sample to get anywhere near a dangerous level of Diethylene Glycol.

 

[CrazyTerrie11]

There are valid concerns about PVs and the fluid used in them. I would like to see an intelligent discussion on these safety issues: Quality control and labeling, safety of ingredients (including flavor additives), addiction concerns, use by minors etc. etc. -Gooney0

Me too.....

 

[CrazyTerrie11]

Testing/FDA:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rty-technical-review-analysis-fda-report.html

Info on e-liquids:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing/2716-e-liquid-lab-toxicology-reports.html

There are search features on the forum. The Google search (at the very bottom of the page, on the left side) is the best one to look for information within the ECF. Depending on the key words you use, you should be able to find most info. on any topic you need to find.

As usual Hellen you are a treasure trove of information!

Love your new avatar....much more "YOU" heehee

 

[Nokosa]

A common misconception (that I used to make myself). The "chemical found in antifreeze" that they are referring to is the Diethylene Glycol found in one sample they tested. Diethylene Glycol is nasty, bad stuff. However, what the FDA conveniently did not elaborate on is the fact that it was found in a very minute trace amount (something like 8ppb (parts per billion)), and the same chemical is found in tobacco at a much, much, much higher concentration. You would have to vape the equivalent of literally thousands of carts a day of this particularly "tainted" sample to get anywhere near a dangerous level of Diethylene Glycol.

This pretty much sums it up.

The simple fact is the FDA only tested something like 15 samples from only two companies. 15! Not 1500, which would have been a much better test, but 15. That's like 0.015% of the entire e-liquid stock available. Their testing was extremely minimal and very inaccurate in terms of percentage. 8ppb in one sample of many hundreds of thousands could have been the difference between 8% and 0.0000008%.

I am, of course, over-exaggerating these numbers, but my point remains the same. The FDA wasn't concerned about whether these are safe, they were concerned with finding something that they could use to prove they weren't.

 

[Deschain]

The FDA wasn't concerned about whether these are safe, they were concerned with finding something that they could use to prove they weren't.

As a non-American, but new vaper, this is certainly what it looks like...I understand that the FDA is suposed to protect public health etc, but it does look like they are grasping at straws and looking for anything that can be placed in a negative light.


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[jacko]

I agree.
It really sounds like ... hum.... the tobacco industry $$$ could even be behind the negative press......

 

[Ninjas67]

A non-biased report would have been something stating that "In limited testing samples, XXXXX compounds were found in trace amounts similar to
those found in conventional NRT products" or some similar statement. Everything I have seen has had a bias to it.