Help on a recipe

[bcollier9253]

This is my 2nd attempt on a Peanut Butter Toffee recipe. I always seems like the PB taste burnt and not quite sweet enough. I am thinking about adding some TFA sweetener , what do ya think?. I am using Hotrods calculator and used the adjust flavor funtion to come up with the percentages. Let me what I need to do.

To make 5ml 18mg 50/50
32.73% nicotine 55.16mg
7.64% PG
33.14% VG
7.81% Peanut Butter (CP)
9.38% English Toffee (LA)
7.81 Cotton Candy(TPA)
1% vape Wizard
.5% (.9% Saline solution)

Thanks in advance to all that reply!

 

[glasseye]

Is that 7.81% Cotton Candy? That's just EM and seems like waaaaaay too much to me. On the off chance that I do use EM it's less than 1%. Maybe use less of that and add some Marshmallow to your mix? IMO that's all going to need a good 2 weeks to meld. One of my recipes uses Choc Toffee and it takes awhile.

 

[jgoss]

I would try lowering the PB to around 5%, and the Cotton candy to about 2%. Then add some sweetener, start with maybe 3 drops per 5ml. Cotton Candy in itself is not really a sweetener, it is a sweet flavor that has very little taste. I know that seems like the same thing but it isn't. I have never tried the LA toffee, so I am not going to comment on that. But if it still tastes burnt reduce that a little too. I try to keep the total amount of flavorings to under 20% and that seems to work for me. Oh...and while I am thinking about it, shake your peanut butter flavor really well, if you haven't. Sometimes flavors come unmixed slightly, over time, and that might help.

 

[bcollier9253]

I would try lowering the PB to around 5%, and the Cotton candy to about 2%. Then add some sweetener, start with maybe 3 drops per 5ml. Cotton Candy in itself is not really a sweetener, it is a sweet flavor that has very little taste. I know that seems like the same thing but it isn't. I have never tried the LA toffee, so I am not going to comment on that. But if it still tastes burnt reduce that a little too. I try to keep the total amount of flavorings to under 20% and that seems to work for me. Oh...and while I am thinking about it, shake your peanut butter flavor really well, if you haven't. Sometimes flavors come unmixed slightly, over time, and that might help.

You read it right, the CC was 7.81%. I'll try what you said and report back. Thanks for your help! Oh Yeah... Should I not be using the VW? Or is it needed to mend all the flavors?

 

[Crunktanium]

With Cotton Candy that high it's all your going to taste. When you use to much it just taste like sickly sweet burnt sugar. I would drop the cotton candy entirely as it serves little purpose in this recipe. Maybe a wee bit of Caramel instead with a hint of cream which might help the peanut butter while using as little sweetener as possible. And then the other stuff you have in there is probably not helping.

Start with peanut butter find the spot where it works then add a few drops toffee and a few drops sweetener. From there add more toffee until you feel it's almost there. When you find the sweet spot then you can make minor tweaks by adding other things. If you don't get the basics all the additives you throw in will only create more headaches.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I read last week someone saying no matter what % they tried, the Cap Peanut Butter tasted burnt. It looks like a good combination on paper. How about bringing the % of PB and Toffee down a bit. I'd probably leave out the EM add a little sweetener (no more than 1%) and possibly some marshmallow or toasted marshmallow (1-2%) and or a little vanilla swirl (1-2%). You could always add 1-2% Brown Sugar too if you think it needs a sweeter taste instead of the EM. I'm just thinking out loud here.

I haven't tried what I'm suggesting, just sounds good in my head. Good Luck!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[dannyv45]

7.8% cotton candy is to much and that could be where the burnt taste is coming from and is likely gunking up your coil as well. Reduce it to 1- 2% and used a new atty when you re-sample it. The old atty is likely already toast.

Also follow the advice from Wingsfan0310. I've read that TFA peanut butter has a burn taste and needs to be combined with something else. But I see your using capella peanut butter and Ive herd that it is pretty good but err on the side of caution and reduce it to 3%.

Your english toffee sounds a bit high as well I would reduce that to 5%

 

[Ld3441]

7.8% cotton candy is to much and that could be where the burnt taste is coming from and is likely gunking up your coil as well. Reduce it to 1- 2% and used a new atty when you re-sample it. The old atty is likely already toast.

Also follow the advice from Wingsfan0310. I've read that TFA peanut butter has a burn taste and needs to be combined with something else. But I see your using capella peanut butter and Ive herd that it is pretty good but err on the side of caution and reduce it to 3%.

Your english toffee sounds a bit high as well I would reduce that to 5%

I think you have your peanut butters mixed up. I have used TFA peanut butter alone and it was fine. Not exactly the PB I was hoping for but it will work. Cap PB is the one with the burnt taste at any percentage. It is not a stand alone and must be mixed with other flavors is what I have been told. I have not tried it yet though.

Good luck OP with your mix.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I thought it was you LD that was having all the problems with the Cap PB tasting burnt as a stand alone flavor.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[shynsly]

I believe vape wizard is like TFA smooth, if so cut that in half, about 1 drop per 5ml

Good Luck in the Laboratory!!!

 

[bcollier9253]

I believe vape wizard is like TFA smooth, if so cut that in half, about 1 drop per 5ml

Good Luck in the Laboratory!!!

I am at about 1 drop per 5ml on the VW. I may just drop it all together as suggested above and lower the percentages of everything else and go from there. Thanks

 

[we2rcool]

Agree with others - it's most likely the EM.

Too much EM = burnt brown sugar.

 

[bcollier9253]

I read last week someone saying no matter what % they tried, the Cap Peanut Butter tasted burnt. It looks like a good combination on paper. How about bringing the % of PB and Toffee down a bit. I'd probably leave out the EM add a little sweetener (no more than 1%) and possibly some marshmallow or toasted marshmallow (1-2%) and or a little vanilla swirl (1-2%). You could always add 1-2% Brown Sugar too if you think it needs a sweeter taste instead of the EM. I'm just thinking out loud here.

I haven't tried what I'm suggesting, just sounds good in my head. Good Luck!

Cheers,
Steve

Sounds like good advice. I'm gonna try using some cream as that is what it seems to be lacking as well.
What exactly is the purposes if EM? I was under the impression that it was a sweetener but I kinda remember reading it was to be used in tobacco mixes. I have seen it in sweets and bakery as well.

 

[we2rcool]

Oh Yeah... Should I not be using the VW? Or is it needed to mend all the flavors?

We don't ever "need" Vape Wizard. It's a blend of chemicals that alter the action of our taste buds - and cause liquids to 'seem' different than they are. To each his own, of course...but we prefer to alter our liquids - not the action of our taste buds! We checked with TFA directly, and their 'Smooth' has the same chemical-actions as the Vape Wizard (and Magic Mask).

 

[bcollier9253]

7.8% cotton candy is to much and that could be where the burnt taste is coming from and is likely gunking up your coil as well. Reduce it to 1- 2% and used a new atty when you re-sample it. The old atty is likely already toast.

Also follow the advice from Wingsfan0310. I've read that TFA peanut butter has a burn taste and needs to be combined with something else. But I see your using capella peanut butter and Ive herd that it is pretty good but err on the side of caution and reduce it to 3%.

Your english toffee sounds a bit high as well I would reduce that to 5%

Thanks Danny. So I'm guessing the EM and CC are kinda working against each other? The tank I am using is a brand new MT3 with a factory coil so I'm sure the coil may be toast. I wrap my own coils at 1.8 ohm but I guess I was lazy and didn't swap them out before trying.
As far as the toffee goes, that is what I feel it is lacking, ya know, that creamy toffee yummy taste with a slight bit more of a hint of PB

 

[we2rcool]

What exactly is the purposes if EM? I was under the impression that it was a sweetener but I kinda remember reading it was to be used in tobacco mixes. I have seen it in sweets and bakery as well.

EM smooths 'rough edges' and tends to mute flavors somewhat. It adds a kind of 'marshmallowy thickness' and even less sweetness (to us) than a marshmallow would add.

 

[bcollier9253]

Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm gonna try all the above and report back on my results. Gonna finish my coffee and head to the lab in a bit. The mixing lab that is! Lol!

 

[bcollier9253]

Since I am in the experimental phase and not wanting to waste nic should I enter the nic base in the calculator so it will proportion the extra added above the basePG/VG correctly, but just don't add the base? (Just add the flavors and whatever PG/VG the calculator says).My base is 55mg50/50.

Or am I thinking to much into this?

 

[Hoosier]

Since I am in the experimental phase and not wanting to waste nic should I enter the nic base in the calculator so it will proportion the extra added above the basePG/VG correctly, but just don't add the base? (Just add the flavors and whatever PG/VG the calculator says).My base is 55mg50/50. Or am I thinking to much into this?

If I am reading this correctly, you are thinking about entering your target nicotine strength in the calculator, but not any nic nor adding in any non-nic PG or VG to compensate for the lack of nicotine.Which means your resulting mix will not have the %'s you entered until such time as you add an amount of liquid equal to the volume of nic-base the calculator outputted. This will mean the nic and no-nic versions have to taste different.I'd recommend adding non-nic PG/VG amounts equal to the amount of nic-base called out in the calculator.Then if you like it and want nic, mix another batch of the same volume as you have left over from the experiment, but at twice the nicotine strength. When you mix the double strength nic batch with the non-nic batch, it will be your target nic and have a much closer taste.If I'm reading the question wrong then please disregard everything I just typed.

 

[bcollier9253]

If I am reading this correctly, you are thinking about entering your target nicotine strength in the calculator, but not any nic nor adding in any non-nic PG or VG to compensate for the lack of nicotine.Which means your resulting mix will not have the %'s you entered until such time as you add an amount of liquid equal to the volume of nic-base the calculator outputted. This will mean the nic and no-nic versions have to taste different.I'd recommend adding non-nic PG/VG amounts equal to the amount of nic-base called out in the calculator.Then if you like it and want nic, mix another batch of the same volume as you have left over from the experiment, but at twice the nicotine strength. When you mix the double strength nic batch with the non-nic batch, it will be your target nic and have a much closer taste.If I'm reading the question wrong then please disregard everything I just typed.

I want to add the non nic PG/VG and I guess the base pg/VG as well