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xxrob511

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Anubuk I am planning on getting a ohm reader maybe order one in the next 20 mins tbh. I am useing a efest 800 mah battery


Safe chemistry IMR 3.7V rechargeable battery is now available in 18350 size. Can be charge with any LiIon battery charger with 4.2V output.

Specifications:
Nominal Voltage : 3.7V
Capacity : 800mAH
Lowest Discharge Voltage : 2.50V
Standard Charge : CC/CV ( max. charging rate 1.5A )
Cycle Life : > 500 cycles
Max. continuous discharge rate : 8C
Height: 35.80mm
6.4 AMP Max draw. please note: this is from our tests (with our friends help)
efest claims higher but it does not calculate properly so please stay UNDER this limit

I have vaped on a halo g6 which I had for year and now this
 

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Thanks for the input you guys really appreciate it. I will use this info and build better next time. I guess I went without measuring diameter and the ohms. I guess its not that simple I will plan to get some different size drill bits and an ohm reader. Sorry if I angered any of you for being so ignorant I am just trying to learn

No ones really angered, rob, just seriously concerned. If you had used too thick a wire AND too few wraps, you could have hurt yourself by over discharging the battery. As said, you should seriously get the proper tools, learn and understand Ohms Law, and get someone knowledgable to help you out the first couple times to double check your work... Its your eyes, face, and hands at stake.
 

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Okay, the battery you've got is just barely has enough amps. Until you get a bigger Battery (18500 or 18650) I would wait till you get that ohm meter.

I just ordered my first mech mod and have just done a crap ton of research on stuff in relation to unprotected mechs. You want to get a battery with at least 10 amps continuous discharge (max discharge is not this) and at least 15C. If you know what ohms the coils is use a ohm calculator online. It will tell you how many amps you are using. A 18350 with 6 to 6.4 (I have the efest you have and a AW that size) is barely enough to be safe. Some say you should have 50% more amps then what u are using. If my max is 7 or 8 amps and I am sure it will go no higher I try to have at minimum 10 amps but that is is still cutting it close. 1 ohm with 6.4 should be safe but I have found that coils can fluctuate after using them or if you adjust them in any way. It is just safer to get a higher amp so you don't have to worry.

I didn't mean to sound hard on you. I just want you to have a good experience.

With the ohm meter I would get some 29 or 30 kanthil and a few different wicks. If you want to use cotton I found a organic seller that sells it raw with no pesticides. You either have to boil or soak in alcohol. There is also this site with a ceramic wick that is flexible that they take the time to pretreat it in a kiln. If u gotta use a silica get a verifiable ekowool dealer, Alot of people here order from fastech (china), I don't. The shipping is slow and sometimes you get total crap. Do not buy wick and wire from anyone that doesn't verify where it was made. You are inhaling this stuff so know where its coming from. There are cheap sellers of stuff in the states so you do not have to do china. If you are interested I will put the best together in a list and message them to you.

Now if i was using 26 kanthil I would do at least 10 to 15 micro coils. Get a small screwdriver (size of on in a glasses repair kit) or a 1/32, 3/64 or 1/16 drill bit. Less cotton is better. Keep it fluffy and just twist one end to thread the coil. Drip your juice all over the wick and let it sit.

Try vaping it. If it still sucks, add more wraps to the coil. Forget about 1 ohm for now. keep rebuilding the coil till it works. Without control over volts and watts you have to do it the hard way. Just do not go lower than what you have established as 1 ohm. The 6.4 amps might not stand up to the fluctuations.

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sweet-vapes.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_color_plus.tpl&product_id=2503&category_id=79 kanthil made in the USA If it is cheaper than this I always wonder where it came from.

If I can help anymore please ask. I have learned alot and am careful to provide correct info. Good luck!
 

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everything else aside! something that no one has picked up on and told you is that your probably pushing somewhere in the region of 15watt's through 24g wire, that will take a relatively long time to heat that coil and on top of that you have the cool down peiod of the coil say 4 sec's for argument sake and 6 sec' for warm up that's a total of 10 sec's give or take a few..
8-12 sec's is a long time for heat to be penetrating the cotton and no matter how thick the id of your coil it's never going to wick juice from the center out quick enough.... you are most probably killing the cotton on the coils cool down and as soon as you've started to burn it you are then holding the button longerrr etetc lol

I use a lot more then 15 watt's and sometimes 30g wire but I hold my fire button for say 1/2 a sec to a second a time...
you don't need 24g wire for clouds, even if you bought 32g you could twist a couple of strands together to make thicker wire or some 30g is fine, 28 might be a little slow for your batteries

& aswell as the wire try something like a micro coil 1/16id which is 1.55mm inside diameter with all the wrap's touching at about 1.2Ω :) GL
 
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That coil is crazy thick and long. The thickness means longer time to heat up. I am betting u are getting a super hot in the middle and like warm on the edges "burn" probably getting a mix of burnt juice and not fully vaped juice. All in all you have gotten great advice. The energy potential in these batteries is not something to take lightly.


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aiming for one ohm sential mod clone on a igo w using a efest 800 mah battery and 26 gauge kanthal is that any help?

Get a regulated mod for building your coils.

So is it 26 gauge and not 24 gauge?
Did you torch your coil?
Do you have a torch- or a lighter?

You still need an ohmmeter.

I think you should practice 2 ohm builds first on a regulated mod before attempting 1 ohm coils.
 
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ok; this is my own ignorance or something here;
I dont' understand how max continuous discharge rate could be measured in "C".

The C rating is the maximum safe continuous discharge rate of a battery. A battery can be safely discharged its " C" rating times its capacity. His is a 800 milliamp battery with a C rating of 8. It takes 1000 milliamp to equal one amp. So the formula for his battery's amp limit would be:

8 * .8 = 6.4

His battery has a continuous discharge of 6.4 amps.

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this might be better... round coils instead of HEX >>$4.38 11 Piece SAE Precision Screwdriver Set with Case at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

yeah sure you can heat it on your device :)

So better battery ohm reader and 1/16 drill bit on my list to get. Also about the torch cant you just heat up the coils on the mod itself then squeeze the coils or is torch used for something else?

Also would this be fine to wrap on ?

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So better battery ohm reader and 1/16 drill bit on my list to get. Also about the torch cant you just heat up the coils on the mod itself then squeeze the coils or is torch used for something else?

Also would this be fine to wrap on ?

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If you have a regulated mod, then you can pulse the coil to redness, but if all you have is a mech, then if your coil is shorting, pulsing the coil will be shorting the battery.

If you have a lighter you can use that to burn in the coil before screwing it down; burn it good till it glows red. The reason is to reduce shorts by making a layer of oxide on the surface of the wire.


Try a toothpick for wrapping the coil; you don't have to be exact for your first few coils; after a few coils then you will have your own preferences whether you want a bigger diameter or smaller diameter coil.
 

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btw, there are ceramic tipped tweezers just for squeezing your coil without shorting out on the tweezers

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So better battery ohm reader and 1/16 drill bit on my list to get. Also about the torch cant you just heat up the coils on the mod itself then squeeze the coils or is torch used for something else?

Also would this be fine to wrap on ?

http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10004344/1333105-head-hd-e-02-8-in-1-stainless-steel-hex-keys-set

I've found in my coil building experience that torching the wire to glowing red before wrapping not only removes the machining oil, it helps the coil retain its shape. I've tried the "firing the coil on my mod to remove oil" way, it nowhere compares to torching before wrapping in my book. But yes, once the coil is installed, you need to fire it to glowing, let off the button, then gently squeeze the coil. Repeat several times until the wraps are as close to each other as possible & your coil glow from the middle out.

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