Help pls,GGTS shorting out

[cornolio]

So I decided to clean my Ggts yesterday and install a brass button plunger from COV yesterday.it didn't fit BTW.after putting back the original plunger my button got hot and immediately.disassembled.everything got real HOT!after assembly/disassembly it's still shorting out.im stumped.

anybody got any ideas or the same experience?thanks in advance

 

[cornolio]

Here's the original part and the wrong brass part





I really wanna figure this out quick coz I'm gonna receive the stealth cap i ordered from COV last week

 

[cornolio]

So tried installing the fuse upgrade.it workedlol

 

[ManniGfaltig]

I am not exactly sure if your GG "already" has this button but it might be that your bottom housing is the short one without Adjustable Throw. The fireing pin is shorter on this button version thus the Upgrade pin won fit in this button.

The button assembly is pretty straight forward, not much that could be done wrong there. Which atty do you use and did you try another atty (or measure your atties resistance)?

 

[dspin]

Yes, many diff style buttons are around and brass posts are for adjustable buttons, Imeo started making adj again in 2012 after having to listen to me insist on them all the time.

 

[cornolio]

Yes,I do have the older style buttons.so far,I don't know what I did but it works now.it has shorted about 5 times since yesterday before working now.i removed the fuse and installed the brass center post and its makes a world of difference but I'm still hesitant using it without the fuse.i wish I can figure this problem out for peace of mind though

 

[cornolio]

Pic of button and posts

 

[cornolio]

IT SHORTED OUT AGAIN.im out of ideas right now so I have to walk away from it.atty works fine on this one

 

[dspin]

Make sure your threads are clean on button post and spring too, no black. Also threads on batt post along with polishing that too, new or not. Congrats on the LE, hehe awesome

 

[manos3906]

Here's the original part and the wrong brass part


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I really wanna figure this out quick coz I'm gonna receive the stealth cap i ordered from COV last week

they are oem parts
you have the wrong button for the brass pin,you must have the adjustable button for this pin
put the ss pin back and they are gonna be all fine
ggts it self cant have any short

 

[Ariel_MX]

What atomizer are you using?

As Manni and dspin said, the brass button pin you got is not compatible with your button (hexgonal head), the brass pin is only for the Adjustable Throw Buttons.

Probably your GGTS (because the serial number) has already a brass button pin (nickel plated). One of my ss GGTS (serial number 1183) came with hexagonal button and it had brass nickel plated button pin, I discovered it because I was sanding a little the button pin to remove black spots on the connection point, while sanding it, the nickel plated was removed.

Also that could apply to the pin screw of the fuse kit (on the first batches of fuse kits, the screw is nickel plated brass), probably you will have better results using the brass axis post with the brass battery spring. Of course, you can remove the brass battery spring and install the top part of your fuse kit (the black derlin with the screw), so you will have a brass fuse kit.

Newer fuse kits came with one brass insider spring, you will have better results by installing a second fuse kit spring for a total of two springs inside the fuse kit.

I think the short is not on the button assembly, because button only closes the circuit. Check the positive auto adjustable pin assembly, there are little o-rings inside.

Also, a common problem is with atomizer's center pin and the GGTS's auto adjusable positive pin, if you tight too much the GGTS, the positive pin could push up too much the atomizer's positive pin, causing it to short circuit.

How are you connecting your atomizer to the GGTS? Another common problem is when using Chinese adapters arrays on the GGTS, to connect 510 big atomizers instead the GGTS original adapter, those adapters meant to be used with the GGTS's auto adjustable center pin system, so they short circuit very easily.

You can try by removing (of course in case you are using them) all the Chinese adapters, the GGTS's collector tank and connect the atomizer directly on the GGTS connector, and do not tight too much the GGTS.

 

[cornolio]

Thank you for the replies.i am using the original ss plunger screw coz the brass one is too long and won't fit.the adaptor is OEM too.this is really puzzling

 

[ManniGfaltig]

I also think you might overtighten the telescope.
Please try this (reducing complexity): Unmount the Collector Tank and use only the connector base. Open the telecope, push down the connectors pin and screw your atty directly on the connector (ommit the adapter, collector tank and lid) so that it does not make contact. Now press the fire button and tighen the telecope slowly until the atty hisses or the button gets hot.
If this works then you can do the same again but now with an assembled collector tank and the adapter.

I hope this helps!

It it doesn't then the the short might come from the axis and/or isolator plastic. Try and screw the axis out a turn or two (maybe its making contact to the metal - never heard of that but one never knows...).

 

[fright88]

What atomizer are you using?

As Manni and dspin said, the brass button pin you got is not compatible with your button (hexgonal head), the brass pin is only for the Adjustable Throw Buttons.

Probably your GGTS (because the serial number) has already a brass button pin (nickel plated). One of my ss GGTS (serial number 1183) came with hexagonal button and it had brass nickel plated button pin, I discovered it because I was sanding a little the button pin to remove black spots on the connection point, while sanding it, the nickel plated was removed.

Also that could apply to the pin screw of the fuse kit (on the first batches of fuse kits, the screw is nickel plated brass), probably you will have better results using the brass axis post with the brass battery spring. Of course, you can remove the brass battery spring and install the top part of your fuse kit (the black derlin with the screw), so you will have a brass fuse kit.

Newer fuse kits came with one brass insider spring, you will have better results by installing a second fuse kit spring for a total of two springs inside the fuse kit.

I think the short is not on the button assembly, because button only closes the circuit. Check the positive auto adjustable pin assembly, there are little o-rings inside.

Also, a common problem is with atomizer's center pin and the GGTS's auto adjusable positive pin, if you tight too much the GGTS, the positive pin could push up too much the atomizer's positive pin, causing it to short circuit.

How are you connecting your atomizer to the GGTS? Another common problem is when using Chinese adapters arrays on the GGTS, to connect 510 big atomizers instead the GGTS original adapter, those adapters meant to be used with the GGTS's auto adjustable center pin system, so they short circuit very easily.

You can try by removing (of course in case you are using them) all the Chinese adapters, the GGTS's collector tank and connect the atomizer directly on the GGTS connector, and do not tight too much the GGTS.

I agree. Short of the button making constant contact (which wouldn't technically be a short) it is highly unlikely the button is causing the short.
If it is firing all the time I would check 3 things. 1 Make sure the button is not making constant contact with the battery post. 2 It is possible to over tighten the battery post. The derlin has a hole in the bottom and if it is worn out or over tightened the post can make contact with the bottom cap which would cause a constant fire situation. In the past I have seen people put a bit of something in there to make sure this doesn't happen (piece of paper small piece of a carto condom ect) and 3 Make sure the wrapper on your battery isn't damaged. Since many batteries use the actual casing as negative if your wrapper is damaged it can cause a constant fire.
If the problem isn't a constant fire I would first check how tight your telescope is. If you aren't using a GG atomizer (UFS can have the same issue) it is possible your floating posative pin is pushing the atty's center pin to hard causing it to ground out. Because of this many recommend the hiss tighten method. Meaning hold your button down and tighten slowly till your atty starts to fire. Once it starts firing only tighten at max 1/2 a turn more to snug although I personally only recomment 1/4 turn more. If you aren't over tightning check the o-rings that go on the floating posative pin. Take it appart and make sure your o-rings are good and there. Although even without the o-rings it should still work if you aren't over tightning.

If all of that is ok we probably need to know what atty you are using to further help. Also need to know if you are using adapters and if they are gg adapters or others.

Hope this helps a little.