Help required regarding MTL Setup and Battery!
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@Mooch is the local battery master. Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum Will likely have all the data you will need, and probably a lot more.
To guess off the seat of my pants without looking at it, I’d say almost certainly. Unless it’s a very low amp battery you should be fine. Best to look at it though. It’s the amp draw that matters. High ohm DL draws almost as many amps as low ohm DL, so wattage is not the primary concern. It’s how many amps your device is drawing under load
@bombastinator that means even in TC it's safe to use these batteries?
These batteries have low amperage (10) and a high capacity (3500 mAh) and as a chain vaper it attracts me in terms of capacity.
These batteries have low amperage (10) and a high capacity (3500 mAh) and as a chain vaper it attracts me in terms of capacity.
What is your initial TC wattage? TC is a way to do a variable custom ramp. Your initial TC wattage setting is the highest wattage the mod will use, and it won’t even use nearly that most of the time. If your battery amp draw rating covers the initial wattage draw you’re fine. It only goes down from there. The vast majority of people vaping 20 watts or lower are vaping MTL. It is possible though to do, say a bunch of really high ohm parallel coils that get DOWN to an ohm or two. I kind of like to do this myself, which is why I mention it. in those cases you can be vaping at only 20w, but your amp rating is still high enough to bust even a dual 15amp draw system. It’s the amp rate you are drawing rather than the wattage that determines battery safety. 95% chance you’re fine. I think. Unless you vape like me in which case no.
I had a VapeForward Vapeflask mod that I used a Panasonic 10A 18650 in. It had issues doing TC with that battery. I don't recall the exact wattage I was using, but I can't imagine it was more than 20W. It did wattage mode just fine. This of course was a different mod so your mileage may vary. My suggestion would be to go with a 20A battery as a minimum.
This does create more slop as a safety margin. You’re probably not going to get all day chain vaping out of a single 18650 battery anyway, a 3.5amp battery isn’t that much bigger than a 3amp or even a 2.5amp battery. Batteries are cheap though. Samsung 30s has almost as many total amps as the battery you mentioned and is 15amp draw. Sort of a halfway point. LG HG2s are 3000ma as well, if you manage to get the right kind. counterfeiting of HG2s is a real problem though. It all depends on max amp draw, and that is a bit of a variable at this point. We’re all having to guess here. @ScottP ‘s suggestion is pretty much guaranteed success though.
According to Mooch, that battery should be fine for an under 7 amp draw or under 21 watts setting. Shouldn't matter if you are using wattage or TC mode.
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Please don't give 'seat of the pants' advice on batteries/safety --- if you simply don't know and can't be bothered to look it up, just point to the relevant materials or simply don't answer.
What set up do you run that is 'an ohm or two' that draws more than 15 amps at 20 watts?
Who is discussing 3.5amp or 2.5amp batteries? And it shouldn't be any bigger ... an 18650 is 18mm x 65mm (with some tolerance allowance) regardless of its amp or mah rating.
Guessing you meant Samsung 30Q, and that you meant 'as many total mah' not amps. And I would agree, a 30Q is a terrific 3000mah, 15amp battery.
Need one more factor:
Tell us the resistance of your coil, and then it will be easy to say yes or no.
example:
20 watts with a 2 ohm coil draws 3.2 amps (but needs 6.2 volts to do it)
20 watts with an 0.2 ohm coil draws 10 amps (but only at 2.0 volts)
So you need to both stay within the parameters of the battery AND the mod.
Tell us the resistance of your coil, and then it will be easy to say yes or no.
example:
20 watts with a 2 ohm coil draws 3.2 amps (but needs 6.2 volts to do it)
20 watts with an 0.2 ohm coil draws 10 amps (but only at 2.0 volts)
So you need to both stay within the parameters of the battery AND the mod.
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Coil resistance for a regulated mod is irrelevant. Coil resistance plays no part in the formula used in calculating battery current in a regulated mod.
Yes it has little to do with the battery safety, but it has everything to do with the mods ability to regulate it.
Probably half the folks out there think their mod is regulating this or that, when in fact the mod is just running at it's default.
I >THINK< he was meaning 3Ah(3000mAh) and 2.5Ah (2500mAh) and was talking about the capacity. I could be wrong.
nothing to worry,
tell about your tank, coils and also desired temp or wattage, for tcr or temp control on mtl you have to try and investigate about your mod's chip specs,
here is an interesting topic related mtl and temp control, so feel free to watch,
Regards,
Dear @P3ch3,
The Tank is Berserker 1.5 MTL RTA, Coils would be ranging from 0.8 to 1.5 Ohms and desired temp would be 260 Degree Celsius, My Mod is a DaniBox Mini.
The Tank is Berserker 1.5 MTL RTA, Coils would be ranging from 0.8 to 1.5 Ohms and desired temp would be 260 Degree Celsius, My Mod is a DaniBox Mini.
I suck at looking things up. I suck at not talking worse though. It’s a fine line. No one was answering the guy so I did what I could. Generally I only do things like that if the poster has dropped to page two without a reply. Was I too speedy on this one?
some giant quasi radiator things I was messing with. They were really too fragile. I was trying to see if it was possible to get a vape like an exotic coil without all the hand wrapping hocus pocus. I’ve found I don’t really have the patience for knitting.
5+mm dia. 28g SS dual coils. Each coil was coming out 2-3ohm. Way too fragile though. Plus they were ugly as heck. Mesh sounded like it might do it better so I stopped messing with them till my profile came in the mail. Turns out it does. Only issue I got now is the proprietary “mesh” plates. No bueno. The things make a lot more sense than gigantic Uber thin spaced coils though, so I’m gonna try different screen types.
Am I doing the math wrong? 3500ma=3.5amp correct? Ma meaning milliamperes and all?
Or a 3ah 15amp battery. That would be the Samsung 30Qs. The 3.5 would be the Samsung 35Qe. Got a pair of those. They don’t work too bad in multiples. As a solo battery they kinda suck though. Not enough draw. Don’t remember which ones the 2.5s were off hand. I got a bunch of B grade LG batteries that all check out at around 2.5. Also some older Samsungs. I’d have to go back and look it up.
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260c strikes me as possibly a bit high. I could be wrong though. I try to stay just under 230c myself simply because that’s the temp cellulose can catch fire and it avoids burning the cotton. Whatever floats your boat though. If 260c works for you it works for you.
I agree. 260C is 500F which is about 50F above the recommended temp for harm reduction.
Sounds like a nice vape. Get yourself some Samsung 30Q or 25R batteries for that mod and all will be well. That should get you through a day of mtl use if not more, and support whatever power adjustments you need to make to achieve your goal of 260C. BTW, how did you come up with that particular temp goal? I'm a TC vaper and I can be a bit flexible on the temperature chosen depending on build, juice, and my mood that day. You should feel free to adjust a bit up or down depending on the vape quality. Regardless, those batteries will serve you well.
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