Help with a Bill's Magic Vapor Recipe

[FreeTimeNow]

I posted this also as a comment on Bill's blog but since I'm a newbie didn't know exactly how that works so I'm posting it here too for the experts to hopefully weigh in.
Can you help? I just made Dutch Apple Pie ala Mode using Vanilla Bean Ice Cream(didn't have French Vanilla) and used percents as specified. The whole flavor seems very muted. I used FA and TFA flavors with Lorann oils for butter and ecigexpress sig for the sweetner and brown sugar.
Should apple being the predominate flavor jump out? Do I need higher percents of all the flavors? Kinda at a loss as its not really presenting a sweet desert flavor at all. Thanks

 

[dc99]

They need time to steep and develop there flavors. Set it on the back of a shelf for a few days to a couple of weeks. Shake it daily. Very few taste good right after mixing.

 

[FreeTimeNow]

They need time to steep and develop there flavors. Set it on the back of a shelf for a few days to a couple of weeks. Shake it daily. Very few taste good right after mixing.

I am trying that now(just put it away), but Bill's blog says his main thing is to mix with a flavor profile that is good right away and if you steep it maybe it will be great so was really hoping for much more "bang" right away.

 

[CampbellMC]

Even his recipes require a "quick steep" to make sure the flavors all mix together properly. Substituting flavors from different suppliers (or different flavors all together) can make for some unexpected results, and will require you to tweak the final recipe much more. I would say do a quick steep on it, try it again tomorrow, if it isn't where you want it then start adjusting each flavor to your liking.

 

[readeuler]

That recipe is his baby, I believe he worked on it for quite a while. You'll note that it requires a lot of ingredients in very specific proportions. I don't think you're going to have much luck using any substitutions, nor flavors from vendors that aren't TFA.

I tried it substituting Cinnamon Danish for cinnamon, and it didn't quite work out. I personally have a hard time tasting TFA apple, and I'll try and dig up his reply

Me:

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The end result wasn't bad, but the apple was very hard to detect. Maybe that's by design, I'm not sure Coming from making only fruit mixes though, I was just expecting a bit more apple, and I assumed I'd buried it somehow with my particular mix. As it ages, it is getting better for me. I'll probably try again without the Cinnamon Danish, and see what happens.

Dutch Apple Pie ala mode is not a fruit vape, nor an apple vape, nor a strong apple vape, and that is the case by design. It's a pie, but not just a pie, a pie with ice cream, and not just any pie but a dutch apple pie. This is a very complex flavoring, just like the dessert. If you are expecting an apple vape, this is not an apple vape....it's dutch apple pie ala mode (ice cream).


So, you should taste the apple as one of several flavorings including cinnamon, sugar, vanilla, cream, pie/graham cracker, just like a real dutch apple pie. If the apple were to be very dominant, that wouldn't taste like the pie. I think a lot of times, a particular juice may taste apple weak, like this example, but because you may want a stronger apple, and not a complex pie flavoring, perhaps this is not the flavoring you are looking for. There are plenty of great apple recipes out there. A good candy apple recipe is:


Apple - 6%
Candy Apple - 6%
Gummy Candy - 3%
Cotton Candy - 4%
Sweetener - 3%


This recipe has a very strong apple component and is very good, imho. Maybe try it as one of several good strong apple combos. I think I posted a caramel apple recipe previously, and another candy apple recipe, as I recall. There are several ways to make this one.


This is one of my signature juice and this one juice launched an entire line of juices once upon a time. Hope you like it. The cinnamon Danish at 1% won't work, since the cinnamon is about 20 times stronger than cinnamon Danish. Just look at the base mix on TFA on the ingredients, It's at least 20 times stronger, not just twice as strong. you could use cinnamon spice at 1% and probably be just fine. Good luck!