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ok so i attempted my first build today. i did a dual micro coil build (7 wraps each) on an igo-w with 24g kanthal. it read .38 ohms. i wicked it with organic cotton and followed tips on how to put in the cotton from several youtube people like rip trippers and ruby roo, and i made sure everything was fully saturated. i put on the top cap and a drip tip and went for my first subohm dripping hit ever. it was no different then the average hit i get off my aspire nautilus with 1.8 ohm coils. i took 2 or 3 puffs (each about 5 seconds long) and none of them produced clouds any bigger than i get off my standard tanks, the RDA and top cap of my mod got extremely hot and the vape didn't taste that great. had a little bit of a burnt taste to it. any idea where i went wrong?
 

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ok so i attempted my first build today. i did a dual micro coil build (7 wraps each) on an igo-w with 24g kanthal. it read .38 ohms. i wicked it with organic cotton and followed tips on how to put in the cotton from several youtube people like rip trippers and ruby roo, and i made sure everything was fully saturated. i put on the top cap and a drip tip and went for my first subohm dripping hit ever. it was no different then the average hit i get off my aspire nautilus with 1.8 ohm coils. i took 2 or 3 puffs (each about 5 seconds long) and none of them produced clouds any bigger than i get off my standard tanks, the RDA and top cap of my mod got extremely hot and the vape didn't taste that great. had a little bit of a burnt taste to it. any idea where i went wrong?

What diameter are your air holes? Are you taking lung hits?
 

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Hype will always win us over.

Remember majority of it is direct lung hits. Add pretty lights and camera and huge clouds.

Try some lung hits.

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no its definitely not just overhype in my case. i always take lung hits even when I'm just casually vaping throughout the day. i was taking huge lung hits and not getting much vapor at all. and I've seen people sub ohm dripping in person and its not as flashy as on camera but there is a HUGE difference between vaping a nautilus and this. and the vapor i was getting was no different than my nautilus. idk what I'm doing wrong. guess just trial and error
 

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This might not be your case but when i first started i had the same issues. With me it was normally my coil. Either it was a screw not tight enough or adjusting the coil a little would make a big difference.

You should be able to see the vapor pop like crazy with a sub ohm coil. I can see a big difference with my 1.3. Ohm coil soon as i press the button.

Posting pictures of your build helps alot.

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Ok, so there are different reasons why you're not getting big clouds, and why your nautilus might give you bigger vapor. First if you had your holes drilled to 1.8 mm that's smaller than the nautilus' largest hole, which is 2mm. Are you sure it wasn't drilled to 1/8? Another thing you have to line your coils with your holes and when building your coils they should sit at the same height or as close as possible to your holes on your cap. Also too much cotton doesn't help, especially if you want bigger clouds, you also don't want cotton blocking your coils and air holes, so try to keep the front and bottom of your coils clear, also you will have to drip after 2-3 lung hits, with that type of wicking. You also don't want to wick too thick or too thin through your coils. Also your battery does make a difference, in performance and in safety. Also a narrow bore for your drip tip will not get you big clouds, and you want more VG if not all VG in your juice for clouds.

Burnt taste: Not enough juice or you vaped dry, also sometimes cotton will have an even stronger cotton taste with certain juices when first used. It eventually mellows out and disappears.

I also have an igo w, but I use 3 different caps, all bigger than a 1/8 not sure if was 9/64?

And seeing people drip in person doesn't mean you don't get huge clouds off camera, it depends on their build single vs dual coil. air flow and building wrong or right, and juice and technique. Not all people who drip go beyond .5-.8 ohms, and people online, many are at unsafe levels and their are other variables.
 
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i always take lung hits even when I'm just casually vaping throughout the day. i was taking huge lung hits and not getting much vapor at all.

i had the holes drilled to 1.8mm

OK. At 0.4 ohms IMO you've got enough air hole area to make this work. I like a pair of 2.1mm holes for a 0.5 ohm Trident dual coil build. If I were cloud chasing I would drill them out to at least 2.5mm. But you're in the ballpark :)

So your RDA is getting hot and you think you're burning juice. Too much cotton inside the coils?

The coils also need to have air flow all around them to get rid of the vaporized juice and the heat. You're putting cotton inside the coils, are you leaving the outside of the coils wide open to air flow? Can you post a picture of the build?
 

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heres a photo. based on what you guys are saying I'm gonna try to rewick it with less cotton. sorry the photo is so bad its the best i can do right now
 

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heres a photo. based on what you guys are saying I'm gonna try to rewick it with less cotton. sorry the photo is so bad its the best i can do right now

Yup, you've got too much cotton in there. Keep the coils. Re-wick with shorter cotton that leaves the outside of the coils completely open to air. The cotton should also slide back and forth easily inside the coils when it's dry.
 

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Here's a picture of a couple of dirty Trident coils with cotton in them. The amount of cotton I have in there is enough to give you two drags in any RDA. The Trident has that ridge that rises above the deck on the outside which holds juice. Without that ridge I would use a bit more cotton, but not nearly as much as you've got :)

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heres a photo. based on what you guys are saying I'm gonna try to rewick it with less cotton. sorry the photo is so bad its the best i can do right now

The coil on the right side of the picture is definitely blocked, when you put your cap on you should be able to see your coil at or around the same height, adding too much cotton also wastes juice. It also looks like your left coil maybe higher than right? You want them even, and make sure they're heating at the same time and inside to out.

Also what battery are you using?
 

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The coil on the right side of the picture is definitely blocked, when you put your cap on you should be able to see your coil at or around the same height, adding too much cotton also wastes juice. It also looks like your left coil maybe higher than right? You want them even, and make sure they're heating at the same time and inside to out.

Also what battery are you using?

yea the picture doesn't do my build justice but I'm actually pretty happy for it being my first one. the coils heat up evenly inside to out and i got them as close to the same height as possible. and I'm using a sony vtc5
 

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yea the picture doesn't do my build justice but I'm actually pretty happy for it being my first one. the coils heat up evenly inside to out and i got them as close to the same height as possible. and I'm using a sony vtc5


No it's not bad for a first build, wicking is just as important as making good coils, so the VTC5 is a great battery for sub ohming, so good news it's not a battery issue, unless it's undercharged or not holding a charge. Ryedan's picture is a good example of wicking, you could also use slightly less cotton as well, since the igo-w is pretty small and the original cap isn't so big it affects airflow, and I get a better vape with minimal cotton IMO, and some people use more cotton just they don't have to drip as often.
 

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Two tips for clouds is make sure you're hydrated, vaping will dehydrate you and you also won't get big clouds. Also practice lung hits 4-6 secs is plenty for big clouds and what really helps is how you take in the vapor if you can breathe as you suck in hard it will make a huge different. Also if you live somewhere where it is hot right now, you'll get less vapor production.
 
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hey just updating you guys. i re wicked with less cotton, lined up my air holes and it seems to be working a little better. still not getting the type of clouds i hoped for but i guess an igo-w isn't going to be amazing at 20 bucks. thanks for all the help!

I can and do blow big clouds with an igo w, so don't give up on it yet. Try posting a pic of your setup again top view and a front view of your coils, along with your vent holes and opening of your drip tip and let us know the PG/VG mixture in the juice you're using.
 
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