Help with selecting a better vaper!

[Miarose]

Ok. I've been reading extensively since quitting smoking and starting vaping, which is going so well that I'm interested in a higher quality vaporizer. However, I'm semi-clueless and there is just SO much information out there it's hard to keep it all in haha.

I've seen all the hype about the provari's, and while they seem to be excellent, they are a tad out of my price range, and possibly only something I'll invest in later on, ~year.
I'm currently using various ego's, and while I do like them, they seem inconsistent and a tad frail. The only ones I've come across, but I know essentially nothing about, is the vamo 3, eVic, and the silver bullet.

So, what I'm looking for...
Small.
Something simple to use, durable and cheap to maintain, but still of good quality.
Preferably one that works with a protank, or a similar tank (because I'm not too informed on others or how to use them :/ )
Anything pink or purple is always a plus
Something under 100 bucks, including the battery/charger/whatever extras needed.

Sorry this is all super noobish... >.< I just want something better than an ego to hold onto for awhile.

Thanks

 

[Leithan]

Wow that's a tall order, lots of people have great things to say about the Innokin SVD, a complete set can be had for well under a $100 bucks. With the money left over you could then get a Jwrap and make it any color you want. Same goes for the vamo. The rub is, that both devices are VV/VW so won't exactly be simple to operate at first. As well as the electronics ad a level of complexity and won't be as robust as a mechanical, K100 and bolts can be had in all sorts of colors and are very simple and robust devices as well as being smaller then their VV/VW cousins. The down side is that being purely mechanical in nature they are not regulated. You will have to closely monitor your batteries so that you don't drain them beyond a safe level as well as you will experience a decrease in performance as the batteries voltage drops. So you will have to decide what will suit you better, A larger more complex device but with more consistent performance over the charge of the battery or simple and cheap mechanical with the added responsibility of monitoring your batteries

 

[Miarose]

Oh dear.. I'm a scientist, so not exactly so out there confused, but I feel like I need to be an engineer and physicist to understand enough! But thank you for the input. Back to reading more

 

[State O' Flux]

Oh dear.. I'm a scientist, so not exactly so out there confused, but I feel like I need to be an engineer and physicist to understand enough! But thank you for the input. Back to reading more

I think you should get a VV-VW mod. They are fairly simple to understand and the biggest advantage to a VW is that they're pretty much, once you settle on the power output, a "set it and forget it" device.
I'm partial to the Innokin brand... for a major player in the vaping world, they seem to be on the cutting edge, have good quality and reasonable pricing. Within that brand are the iTaste 3.0 (a small, self-contained 800mAh mod), the SVD tube mod as Leithan mentioned, and the soon to be released VTR box mod.
There's rumor of a VV-VW MVP "2.0", but Innokin is saying no... still, the MVP in it's current configuration is a very nice and quite popular box VV. For that matter, all the iTaste mods are quite popular.

Truth be told, there are so many quality VV-VW mods out there, for very reasonable prices, that making a choice can be quite difficult... but the likelihood of you buying a truly bad one is very slim.

C

 

[DantesInferno]

My brother in law and his wife just started vaping and came by to try out my collection to see what they liked. He went with a vamo. She preferred an ego twist. Both vv of course. I wouldn't recommend anything besides vv/vw device. They both preferred the rebuildable phoenix atomizers but also took a liking to the vivi novas. They didn't like the airy draw of the protanks. Just my recent experience with getting new folks started. Good luck.

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[Leithan]

The learning curve of VV/VW device isn't that steep, if you can program a DVR or set the timer on a Microwave, you can use a VV/VW device. But you definitely doing the right thing and researching. Quitting smoking is frustrating enough with out the added frustration of a device that doesn't meet your needs.

 

[Discord]

if you want a regulated device, I have and use the Vamo, and it's pretty good / reliable. If it's not as important for it to be regulated, I'd suggest looking at some of the cheaper mechanical mods, especially the clones out there if price is important. You could get a decent mechanical, charger, a few batteries and a few atties for under $100 easily.

The setup I use most often is one of 2-3 mech mods and 4 protanks I've rebuilt loaded with a range of juices. The K100 and Sentenal clone over at fasttech are good places to start, they don't require fiddling like many of the mechanical mods out there. If you mostly stick with 18350 batteries, they'll also keep pretty small, compared to a vamo or really any regulated mod.

edit: there are plenty of colors to choose from, with the K100 or K101 as well.
mods:
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10005265/1420511-k100-telescoping-mech-mod-e-cigarette-battery
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10005265/1420513-k100-telescoping-mech-mod-e-cigarette-battery
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10005265/1421700-k100-telescoping-mech-mod-e-cigarette-battery
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1411/10005265/1420505

battery:
18350 to keep it small. all the places I usually order from are out of stock, so not sure the best place to get some.

charger:
highly recommend this one :
http://www.fasttech.com/products/14...ore-i4-lithium-li-ion-ni-mh-ni-cd-smart-batte

 

[Miarose]

My brother in law and his wife just started vaping and came by to try out my collection to see what they liked. He went with a vamo. She preferred an ego twist. Both vv of course. I wouldn't recommend anything besides vv/vw device. They both preferred the rebuildable phoenix atomizers but also took a liking to the vivi novas. They didn't like the airy draw of the protanks. Just my recent experience with getting new folks started. Good luck.

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I have a twist, and I do like it. I just feel like I need something... "better"? Lol Maybe I just want a new toy, but I feel like you get what you pay for, and most ego's are well, dirt cheap. I can easily tell the difference in my 650mah and my twist. I have a vivi nova as well, but I'm not tossing tank cracker juices into it I don't mind the airy protanks.

if you want a regulated device, I have and use the Vamo, and it's pretty good / reliable. If it's not as important for it to be regulated, I'd suggest looking at some of the cheaper mechanical mods, especially the clones out there if price is important. You could get a decent mechanical, charger, a few batteries and a few atties for under $100 easily.

The setup I use most often is one of 2-3 mech mods and 4 protanks I've rebuilt loaded with a range of juices. The K100 and Sentenal clone over at fasttech are good places to start, they don't require fiddling like many of the mechanical mods out there. If you mostly stick with 18350 batteries, they'll also keep pretty small, compared to a vamo or really any regulated mod.

edit: there are plenty of colors to choose from, with the K100 or K101 as well.

I have seen the k100's in colors, which sadly is a selling point haha. If I gotta carry it, I want it to look "nice".

So dumb question, can you explain regulated for me? As long as it functions correctly, and well I'm not too concerned with the extreme logistics.

 

[Miarose]

The learning curve of VV/VW device isn't that steep, if you can program a DVR or set the timer on a Microwave, you can use a VV/VW device. But you definitely doing the right thing and researching. Quitting smoking is frustrating enough with out the added frustration of a device that doesn't meet your needs.

Exactly.
Haha, and yes, these things I can do.

 

[DantesInferno]

Non regulated you put in a freshly charged battery and you get 4.1v minus any power loss in the device. Regulated you put in a battery and can regulate it to put out what you want. Thats how I understand it anyway but I'm no electrician.

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[Leithan]

Regulated device is just that, they use a electrical circuit to regulate the power being sent to the coil, as well in most cases allow you to adjust that power whether it's with voltage or wattage. They all almost universally have built in safety features like low battery cut off, that doesn't allow you to discharge a battery below 3.2volts. It's unsafe to discharge a battery below 3.2v or recharge a battery that has dipped below this level. A unregulated Mod, has none of these features. You will have to monitor the battery your self as well as you are only going to get the strait voltage from the battery, as the battery drains so will the power to your coil. I know that makes unregulated Mechs sound bad. With the proper knowledge and understanding as well as a good setup, Mechs can provide a great vape. Like any of the devices, you just need to understand their limitations. Of the two I would say an unregulated Mech takes more experience and knowledge to use then a regulated device does.

 

[tearose50]

It seems to me that since you have been using a Twist, you have been using some regulation. In this sense, regulation means you can change the amount of power that it going to whatever "topper" you are using.

The twist has little numbers on the bottom dial. Turning the dial either raises or lowers the voltage, which determines how much power is distributed to the "topper". Thus is is a VV, variable voltage device.

The Ego is built to have a set voltage -- which I believe is 3.4 volts.

It sounds to me that you enjoy the VV feature, as many of us do.

I very much suggest you not get a Vamo. They are far from Small. They are also heavy. They are a good vaping machine for the price, but do not seem appropriate for your next step.

I like the Siegeli Zmax mini for your first venture into the world of Mods/APV's. It comes in colors, is more light weight than the stainless steel mods and is about twice the price of a twist battery. I also find like the single button control system better.

Don't worry about the VW (variable Wattage) confusing you. One chooses if they want to monitor the power via Voltage or Wattage and doesn't have to do that except once for devices that are VV/VW. In my opinion, Variable Wattage is better for newer vapors as there is less to learn.

You may have noticed that with different "toppers" you like the twist at different number settings. If so, that is because the toppers have different resistances. (Sorry, I have to use some of those perhaps unfamiliar words.) Lower resistance requires less voltage to produce the same heat, which is the watts part of the occasion.

Part of the magic of Variable Watts is that you are actually setting the heat level you prefer and the device does the rest of the equation to determine the proper voltage to reach that goal. So, one learns what watts level they like and generally use that.....adjusting a bit here and there for different flavors or mood of the minute.

 

[Miarose]

It seems to me that since you have been using a Twist, you have been using some regulation. In this sense, regulation means you can change the amount of power that it going to whatever "topper" you are using.

The twist has little numbers on the bottom dial. Turning the dial either raises or lowers the voltage, which determines how much power is distributed to the "topper". Thus is is a VV, variable voltage device.

The Ego is built to have a set voltage -- which I believe is 3.4 volts.

It sounds to me that you enjoy the VV feature, as many of us do.

I very much suggest you not get a Vamo. They are far from Small. They are also heavy. They are a good vaping machine for the price, but do not seem appropriate for your next step.

I like the Siegeli Zmax mini for your first venture into the world of Mods/APV's. It comes in colors, is more light weight than the stainless steel mods and is about twice the price of a twist battery. I also find like the single button control system better.

Don't worry about the VW (variable Wattage) confusing you. One chooses if they want to monitor the power via Voltage or Wattage and doesn't have to do that except once for devices that are VV/VW. In my opinion, Variable Wattage is better for newer vapors as there is less to learn.

You may have noticed that with different "toppers" you like the twist at different number settings. If so, that is because the toppers have different resistances. (Sorry, I have to use some of those perhaps unfamiliar words.) Lower resistance requires less voltage to produce the same heat, which is the watts part of the occasion.

Part of the magic of Variable Watts is that you are actually setting the heat level you prefer and the device does the rest of the equation to determine the proper voltage to reach that goal. So, one learns what watts level they like and generally use that.....adjusting a bit here and there for different flavors or mood of the minute.

Ah, most of that did in fact make sense, thank you
I'm gonna read up some on the Sigelei Zmax mini as you mentioned. It looks a tad bigger than the vamo, which I had no idea was heavy.. I'm a very petite lady, so I'm not interested in carrying a 5 pound rod in my purse LOL

 

[swissfactor]

i would recommend a vv/vw as well...that was my easiest transition from the ego batts and helped me learn a lot about which type of vape i was looking for...the vamo is huge and metal and bulky, which may be a concern for you. but its operation is quite simple...up button for voltage up. down for down, and fire to vape....it was my first step away from egos...i still keep a twist with me as a backup. but have graduated (so to speak) to the tailored vape of the evic (still relatively easy to figure out, and can get pink body tubes) and mechanicals for low ohm atties and drippers..this place is awesome to find way too much info to handle...just search any mod youre thinking about and youll find a hundred posts with info on it...i like to see what my friends are vaping and take theirs for a test drive before i dump a bunch of cash into a new mod...and theres a good chance to resell your mistakes on the classies if your choice is totally unbearable

 

[Train2]

I think you're getting there!
Top few models people tend to compare when getting their first PV where you're changing a battery:
VAMO
Innokin SVD
Sigelei ZMax
EVIC


The EVIV is more - you get to fiddle with settings using software - it plugs into your PC. You can do fancy stuff like have it so when you press the button it starts at 4.5 volts then drops to 3.7, fine-tuning to get your perfect vape...


Zmax and SVD are "telescopic" which means the bottom part of the tube screws way up when you use a short battery, or way down to use a big battery. The VAMO, you add an extra piece of tube to make it longer for a big battery.

They are all VV/VW - so you can set your voltage, or you can set the power (and the unit will change the voltage FOR you depending on the resistance of the coil, which it reads).

THEY ARE ALL GOOD DEVICES. They have minor differences in how the features work.
You'll find TONS of threads where people compare and contrast them - just pick one!
They run from ~$40 (SVD or VAMO) to ~$90 (EVIC)

You'll need $20 for a charger, and at least $20 for batteries...
DO NOT cut the cost by getting cheap batteries - get great batteries, and you'll vape longer and safer. Plus, even if you end up getting another mod - saving for the Provari or whatever - you'll still use those same batteries!!

Long batteries are 18650. Short batteries are 18350. The telescopic mods can also run one in the middle - 18500.
You want UNprotected - they are unprotected, because they use safer chemicals, and DON'T NEED protection. The mod also has built in protection...

Hope that helps a little!
Have fun shopping

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Pick me, pick me!

 

[The Ocelot]

I was going to suggest the Sigelei Zmax mini too. I prefer the Zmax substance and performance over my Vamo.

Zmax Mini

ETA: None of the mods suggested are as big as they appear in pictures. The Zmax mini, for example is 101mm (3.97 inches).

 

[Miarose]

Pick me, pick me!

You want me to vape you?!

 

[Miarose]

I like that the zmax mini is small. I don't think the vamo is even that small. I'm worried about some of the reviews, but then again everything in life gets good and bad reviews. Small is probably the most important aspect for me, then ease of use.

 

[Mr.Bungle]

Miarose,

It has already been suggested, but you might seriously consider the Innokin MVP, if you have not already.

It is a self contained unit that charges via a mini usb port/cable, rather than relying on separate rechargeable batteries. It will use pretty much any 510 or ego threaded juice delivery device.

My mother tried to claim mine after she played with it for an hour or so, this after her experience with ego style 600–800 mah batteries.