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I'm using a Protank 2 with a modified aero tank bottom. It might need to steep a bit clh2121. I vaped it immediately. I am not good with steeping. I just want to scream when I look at ppl's suggestions with flavors and they tell you, you need to steep for a month and to "start at 1% flavoring" ...?! So you are telling me it will likely take me half a year to get this flavor where I like it, and I am going to do this all for a flavor I'm not even sure I'm going to like? I can give things a few days to steep, but if something takes longer than a week I need to know exactly what percent to mix at.

When I first started vaping, people told me to steep the pre-made vendor juices. Over and over again, that's what people would tell me when I would complain about flavors, and I complained a lot. I basically refused for the first 3-4 months, then after not finding anything satisfying enough to quit analogs, I reluctantly started heat steeping in hot water, and just stockpiled juices and put them on a top book shelf and forgot about them. I still got impatient, PIF'ed many because I didn't want to wait long enough to see if a juice evolved. Then, I started testing the steeped juices, and some of them really shined for me. Others were finally vapeable, and a few were still not my forte. The biggest impression was letting my ADV flavor, Ahlusion's Smooth Criminal, sit for over 5 months. This juice transformed into something awesome. I would not have believed it if I didn't do it myself. This is when I became a steeping believer. I started out on this forum in the tobacco flavor threads, and tobaccos are known to take quite a bit of time to steep. This was very frustrating for me. So, I get your frustration. The only thing I can say to that is, steep anyway. I won't be deceptive, I had to spend a lot to stockpile enough pre-made to both vape immediately and steep for later. I have no idea what the dollar amount was, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was around $800+. This wasn't all at one time, it was over the course of a few months. If you want to accelerate steeping, which is questionable in my mind, heat steep as well as just let your juices sit.

And, yes, that is what people are saying with DIY. You will have to go through the whole ordeal with no guarantee that in the end, you will like it. It' a frustrating reality, but a reality nonetheless. Some people love this aspect of DIY. They enjoy the hobby of it. Just like some people enjoy cooking, trying different recipes, tweaking them, until they are perfect. Others of us just want decent juice without all the hoopla.

I know this is impossible, but why? Taste can not vary that much. Else why is any one drink/food/candy/ whatever popular? To hear vapers tell it there should be no single flavor of anything on earth that appeals to more than one person at a time. If ppl's taste varied that much, all food would come with ways to vary the flavor. I don't believe that ppl's taste varies as widely as those on this forum like to say. I think that there are a lot of ppl that give up in the process of mixing and acquire a taste for whatever they are vaping and "oh well I give up" turns into "This is what I intended all along. Taste varies widely. That's why you don't like it."

My theory is that tastes vary so much in vaping liquids because people are trying to substitute a habit, and addiction, and that intensifies the need for specificity in taste and satisfaction. You can compare it to a burger restaurant that serves 10 different types of burgers with different toppings, or pizza. Granted, drinks like soft drinks or even alcoholic beverages don't vary, they aren't customizable usually, but I would bet that if they were, people would order across the entire flavor spectrum.

Sorry, this crap just really annoys me to no end because there is so little information on the subject. No solid information. I feel like I'm asking one of those wise men a simple question and they just keep answering me in riddles.

There is little information. And that has annoyed me as well. And still does for that matter. That's why I started a thread of my DIY progress so that maybe others can have at least some template or idea to guide them, and not have to search threads and websites for hours on end just trying to get started. But, there are some who have taken the time to provide information in the form of blogs here, google docs, thread posts, etc. It just takes a LOT of time researching. And I know and understand that not everyone has that time.

I know what I have to do to learn this, but I am loath to do it. In order to know beyond a shadow of doubt what works and what does not on my own would require me to set up a lab and 20 bottles of each flavor at least. I'd need to test all the variables and keep meticulous notes.

Yes, you will. I wish I could say otherwise, but I can't. If you read enough of the available threads, you will get enough information to omit some of the effort.

If I was selling flavor additives I'd first want to be at least give ppl one good recipe they work in. It's just stupid to sell flavors that need complex mixing and expect the buyer to do all that. You set yourself up for failure. There are probably many flavors that no one will buy in a year because so many ppl have failed with them.

This is my whining. lol

Some vendors do provide recipes on their websites. There are also other websites that provide recipes. So, you don't necessarily have to come up with your own.
 
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I think that's why some flavor mixing percents are in a range instead of a specific percent.
That range could vary from 1% to 20%, so, ya, not much help there.
You might find a few people that like a given recipe at the same percents used, but not all.
Not to many fruit based recipes need to steep a month, even with vanilla added.
Some like CAP Vanilla Custard at 15%, but I like it at 5%.
That's what's the "taste is subjective", comments mean.
I try to keep my "total" flavoring under 20%, because over flavoring can be just as bad as not enough.

2 Flavors max 20%
Flavor 1 15% (fruit)
Flavor 2 5% (mixer)

3 Flavors max 20%
Flavor 1 15% (fruit)
Flavor 2 3% (mixer 1)
Flavor 3 2% (mixer 2)

Just basic examples mind you...

BTW I've got around 145 different flavors, and have about 10 good recipes that I call winners (in 4 months).
Beyond that, some are just ok, but I keep trying different things.
And some flavors I just plain don't like, or haven't even tried yet.

I vape the ones I like best in 1 tank, whilst trying my experiments in another tank.
It's what DIY is about, an adventure to find the "holy grail" in the mixes we create for ourselves, primarily.

Having to try/buy 15 different Blueberry flavors to find the one that "hits the spot" is just another part of the quest.

MBV/FW Blueberry (had to go 15% and still not quite the right flavor I wanted).
CAP Blueberry (up to 12% now, better than above, but no cigar).
TFA Blueberry Wild (10-12% like this one the best so far for the flavor I like).
FA Bilberry (2-3% plenty strong, and like it so far, but needs some more testing/tasting).
Hansen (not tried)
Inawera (not tried)
And there's more I'm sure.

I mix in small amounts of the ones that are only so so, when mixing, with the good ones, so as not to waste stuff.
 

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Oh I have 2 recipes that work now after about 3 months of working at this.

First, that is not really a bad result. I have been at it for over a year and have only about six recipes I could sell commercially and I experiment regularly.

What you are doing in DIY is hard- not easy. It is way harder than cooking, IMO it is more like trying to come up with baking recipes from scratch. Plus, you are using ingredients that were meant to be added to food, baked goods, and candies to affect taste, not vaped. So, you are changing the medium for which the flavors were initially developed.

So, slow down- take a deep breath and a step back to quell your frustration. With the flavors you have there is much you can do.

Here is the approach I took when I got really frustrated. After talking to some professional chefs about making flavors in their food pop, I came away with the following basics. Choose a base flavor, and you have few good ones in yours- fruits or cheesecake to start with. Then add a complimentary flavor.

So, for example, if you start with cheesecake, add a fruit as the compliment. A fruit for cheesecake is often a good compliment, and for fruits, for example, cocoanut is a compliment, or cream. You have both. Other flavors may be added as accents, like your Koolada. Since you like strong flavors, shoot for about 15% total flavoring to start. Mix in small 5ml batches. It will steep faster and when you mess up, it is not that much of loss.

I started by using drops, and you can as well. 20-30 drops equal a milliliter, it depends on the bottles. For 5ml batch you should try for about .75 ml of flavor or say about 18 drops- 12 drops base and 6 drops compliment. Add your base, shake it up and toss it in a cup with hot tap water until the water cools. Then shake it really well and put some into a clean and dry tank. I mix and use with/for drippers, which require less flavor added, but if you are going to vape in tanks, mix for tanks. If you still cannot taste your liquid, take it out of the tank with a small syringe and put it back in your test bottle. Then add two drops base to one drop compliment. Go slow as it will get stronger with time- overnight is normally enough for me to taste most flavors coming up. Keep adding until you can taste it well enough to see if you like it. If you get to the point that you can smell the liquid, but not taste it, that is one sign of too much flavoring.

This is supposed to be fun, and for me it is. I have come up with some of the worst tasting crap in the world. But, most of what I make is at least vapable. And, sometimes it comes out great.

Have fun and good luck!

You have some sweeteners- one drop per 5ml if you want to add a little.
 
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The recipe I gave you seems like when I originally made it I vaped it right away, but it did seem to blend/meld/make the magic mojo after about a week... I usually have a few extra bottles on the shelf so I never get to them fast anymore, but they don't really change after 2 weeks that I've noticed. (I'm not saying it needs that long, just that it won't get any better)
 

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I have been making this member's recipes from their blog. Here's the link directly to the blog with the recipes:

E-Cigarette Forum - HeadInClouds - Blogs

I can vouch for many of them as absolutely delicious. HeadInClouds, or HIC, uses a lot of FA flavors, but I have subbed FA for whatever brand I happen to have and am still happy with the results.
 

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I've found another recipe that seems to be pretty good. It's a bit complex, but I followed the suggestion from Heabob that I keep the flavor under 20% and the sort of ratio he suggested with flavors. Seemed to make sense to me. It's Mint Chocolate

Mint Chocolate LA___10%
Bavarian Cream TFA__5%
Acetyl Pyrazine TFA__2%
EM TFA____________1%

I mixed this without nicotine and it's not my favorite flavor, but it tastes like mint chocolate. That's all I'm shooting for right now. Flavors that taste like they should. I also have a mix of nothing but the mint chocolate and it tastes good, but I think the AP is needed at least to bring out its full flavor. Also something feels like it's missing, but its a very good taste to me. I also like the Green tea TFA. Could use some more sweetening. Maybe some sweet cream, but it tastes like it should imo.

Just ordered 50 10ml bottles from ebay. There is a sale right now from China. Only cost $14 I think. I'll link it.

Wholesale 3 50ml Needle Tip Empty Plastic Dropper Bottles E Liquid E Juice LDPE | eBay

I think the mint chocolate could use some koolada maybe even a drop of menthol. Something to bring out the highs a bit.
 

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I've found another recipe that seems to be pretty good. It's a bit complex, but I followed the suggestion from Heabob that I keep the flavor under 20% and the sort of ratio he suggested with flavors. Seemed to make sense to me. It's Mint Chocolate

Mint Chocolate LA___10%
Bavarian Cream TFA__5%
Acetyl Pyrazine TFA__2%
EM TFA____________1%

I mixed this without nicotine and it's not my favorite flavor, but it tastes like mint chocolate. That's all I'm shooting for right now. Flavors that taste like they should. I also have a mix of nothing but the mint chocolate and it tastes good, but I think the AP is needed at least to bring out its full flavor. Also something feels like it's missing, but its a very good taste to me. I also like the Green tea TFA. Could use some more sweetening. Maybe some sweet cream, but it tastes like it should imo.

Just ordered 50 10ml bottles from ebay. There is a sale right now from China. Only cost $14 I think. I'll link it.

Wholesale 3 50ml Needle Tip Empty Plastic Dropper Bottles E Liquid E Juice LDPE | eBay

I think the mint chocolate could use some koolada maybe even a drop of menthol. Something to bring out the highs a bit.

Getting closer, good.

You could try adding 1-2% TFA Marshmallow for some sweetness.
I'd swap out the Bavarian Cream tho and use TFA Vanilla Swirl 3% + TFA Sweet Cream 2% instead.
Or 5% Cap French Vanilla v2.
Just thinking about Ice Cream:D
 

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As a consulation prize for following my threads I have 2 flavor recipes that are very good for you today.

Brown Sugar Poptarts

15% TFA Cinnamon Red Hots (alc) - If you use the pg flavor you probably will only need 5%. The alc flavor is much weaker imo.
10% TFA Mint Chocolate
50/50 pg/vg
18mg nicotine
sweeten to desired preference (with spice flavors I don't find that you really need to sweeten them)

Over Priced Starbucks Latte (still working on the name lol)
15% TFA Bavarian Cream
3% Caramel Cappuccino
3% Sweetener
50/50 pg/vg
18mg nicotine
(This one is sooooo good. I learned about it from some Redit post. You'll love it)
 
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