Yes. Tanks over 2ml will be illegal very soon. Even Aspire mini Nautilus... oooh, and that is an nasty, irresponsible tank..
RTA = rebuildable tank atomizer (previously known more often as RebuildaBle Atomizer).
Hi folks - New to the forum, not so new to vaping but got a few questions about my set up :)
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Yes. Tanks over 2ml will be illegal very soon. Even Aspire mini Nautilus... oooh, and that is an nasty, irresponsible tank..
RTA = rebuildable tank atomizer (previously known more often as RebuildaBle Atomizer).
If the deeming regulations for as planned everything after 2007 will be taken off because it can't legally be sold..
In vaping going back to 2007 is the stone age for vaping.
Everything I use is cheap.
That mod cist $40 and the Silverplay Nano is a clone I got on Fasttech for 10.07.
You can get an RTA (Rebuuldable Tank Atomizer) even cheaper. Fasttech has a Kayfun Monster Mini V3 RTA with acrylic tank and drip tip for $5.63 each. A little over $11 for two decent RTAs.
How much cheaper do you need it?
In my hoard u have two Kayfuns, 3 Goblin Mini's and three mods and just bought a fourth.
In my freezer I have enough ejuice flavors to last about 5 years.
In vaping going back to 2007 is the stone age for vaping.
Everything I use is cheap.
That mod cist $40 and the Silverplay Nano is a clone I got on Fasttech for 10.07.
You can get an RTA (Rebuuldable Tank Atomizer) even cheaper. Fasttech has a Kayfun Monster Mini V3 RTA with acrylic tank and drip tip for $5.63 each. A little over $11 for two decent RTAs.
How much cheaper do you need it?
In my hoard u have two Kayfuns, 3 Goblin Mini's and three mods and just bought a fourth.
In my freezer I have enough ejuice flavors to last about 5 years.
You will need the airflow control (get the V3) not only for the airflow, but to keep the juice from leaking down into your VTR. I ruined a Vamo (no great loss) because of that. In all honesty, it wasn't the juice that did it, or the water I used to clean the juice out. It was the alcohol I used after the water that ruined the display. But I digress.............
The PT2 is a good tank, and is all I use. Mainly because the coils are very easy to rebuild and I'm cheap that way. I do have a couple of clone RTA's but got frustrated with them. To me it's so much quicker and easier to simply swap the coil (when needed) on the PT and continue vaping. No fiddling required. The tanks do give better flavor and more vapor but I vape to not smoke and the PT works just fine for me.
I looked on FT FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics and only see the V1 controller. Mt Baker have them E Cig | Electronic Cigarette Accessories - Mt Baker Vapor but don't know if they ship overseas.
FT also has the coils FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics
The PT2 is a good tank, and is all I use. Mainly because the coils are very easy to rebuild and I'm cheap that way. I do have a couple of clone RTA's but got frustrated with them. To me it's so much quicker and easier to simply swap the coil (when needed) on the PT and continue vaping. No fiddling required. The tanks do give better flavor and more vapor but I vape to not smoke and the PT works just fine for me.
I looked on FT FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics and only see the V1 controller. Mt Baker have them E Cig | Electronic Cigarette Accessories - Mt Baker Vapor but don't know if they ship overseas.
FT also has the coils FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics
Its not certain unless they change their mind or the congress or the President stops it.
Better to prepare. If nothing happens you won't have to buy gear for a while.
I'm assuming that this would be in America then? I'm based in the UK so may not affect me. Unless the UK are working on their own law changes... I'll have a look into it
I'm assuming that this would be in America then? I'm based in the UK so may not affect me. Unless the UK are working on their own law changes... I'll have a look into it
Right. the FDA is in the US.
Witg the British dept of health saying vaping is 98% safer than smoking. I don't think they will. Sorry thought you were here.
I'm assuming that this would be in America then? I'm based in the UK so may not affect me. Unless the UK are working on their own law changes... I'll have a look into it
The UK government have until May 2016 to 'enact' the E.U. Tobacco Products Directive.
The directive bans the sale of (as in, no wiggle room) tanks over 2ml. Liquid over 20mg. Bottles over 10ml.
If our government wants to, they can also extend some other areas of the TPD to interpret them in a certain way. They might choose to not look into this too much (we'll be OK) or go at vaping with the intention of making only single-use (tobacco company) products the only things on sale.
Electronic cigarettes must provide a consistent dose of nicotine.
How this is interpreted could make or break e-cigs. No current device can provide a consistant dose as you can draw for as little or as long or as hard as you want. Not even tobacco cigarettes have to comply to this unworkable requirement.
E-cigs and refill containers must have a mechanism to ensure leak free refilling.
Again how this is interpreted will determine how damaging it will be. No current system can ensure leak free refilling as this is largely down to the user. Although why this should be an issue is unknown, any e-cig user is used to a little bit of leaking and learns how to deal with it.
Totally Wicked have challenged these rulings as being disproportionate, but the judge has already said there is nothing disproportionate. Unworkable, yes. Disproportionate, no.
Basically. Blu, Vivid, Vype, E-Lites (the tobacco company products) are already filling the shelves of Sainsbury's, Morrison, Tesco, Asda, and other shops with their products so when the hammer falls, they are the only ones left.
Blu don't want refillable e-cigs. They are supporting the TPD. That's how greedy tobacco companies are. Look on social media - the usual places (T and F) and see what's going on. Thousands are being sold the Blu, Vivid and Vype dream.
I can live with the existence of tobacco company e-cigs. What is sad, is the fact that most people think they are buying long-term vaping products. Actually, these are short-term vaping products, excessively expensive and sold to them by tobacco so they can make more money than cigarettes. Tobacco want single use cartomizers and/or clearomisers.
Reading the sales propaganda (marketing) and people's 'love' for these brands is truly sickening.
Laws are coming to the UK. That is a 100% certainty. It doesn't matter if the NHS says they are 99% safe. The EU has already made up it's mind. They made up their mind 2 years ago. The UK is not allowed to ignore laws made by the EU.
The EU are trying to kill vaping, because smoking is better financially for the EU.
So vaping as we know it now is pretty much gone in 6 months?
Well that sucks!
Well that sucks!
Well the hardware is going to be gone IF the regulations hit as hard as the worst speculations go.
Nicotine is still going to be there, though in 20 mg/10 ml and its price is going to go HIGH.
PG and VG isn't going to go anywhere, the flavourings are going to change from beign vaping releated into cooking releated or additions to your drinks.
Hardware is still going to be made in China, you just need to take the risk of Customs which isn't that high.
Premade liquids alas will be gone.
Nicotine is still going to be there, though in 20 mg/10 ml and its price is going to go HIGH.
PG and VG isn't going to go anywhere, the flavourings are going to change from beign vaping releated into cooking releated or additions to your drinks.
Hardware is still going to be made in China, you just need to take the risk of Customs which isn't that high.
Premade liquids alas will be gone.
Not if you prepare. I may not be able to use my DIY stuff in public but I sure as hell can at home.
I might tell them it has 0mg nicotine and blow their rules and regulations out their ear
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I was just wondering how on earth they would police it with regards to home use, presumably getting mods / clearos wouldn't be impossible...
You CAN use em, this doesn't tell what you can use, only what you can buy.
There are some at least one if you get caught buying vape gear over seas there is a $10,000 fine on the person importing it..
I am sure that place has a thriving black market of vape gear and ejuice.
If this comes down as bad as predicted a small investment now could reap huge rewards later.
I can't afford that but I can invest $400-500 on mods, wire RTAs etc for my personal use.
Yes. it sucks.
There are things that we can do though even in the worst case.
There will be some liquids... hard to say what'll be left. The sticking point is the refills. If tamper-proof refills do happen, then e-liquid won't be seen as 'worth selling' by the tobacco companies. They are only selling it now to look like they care and want to be seen as 'proper vaping equipment' sellers. Thanks Blu.
These guys don't want to sell e-liquid for £4.99 for 10ml. They want to sell the same as 10ml in some system for £10, preferably £20.
E-Lites have been selling <1ml of liquid (a cartomizer) for £4 since 2010. £40 for 10ml.
There will be NHS e-cigs (those are not the same, mind you).
There will be fully tested liquids, and I can't see them selling for less than £10.
If you fear you might have to resort to smoking, then stock up. I'm not resorting to smoking and shan't vape tobacco co. products, so we'll see.
Yes. it sucks.
There are things that we can do though even in the worst case.
There will be some liquids... hard to say what'll be left. The sticking point is the refills. If tamper-proof refills do happen, then e-liquid won't be seen as 'worth selling' by the tobacco companies. They are only selling it now to look like they care and want to be seen as 'proper vaping equipment' sellers. Thanks Blu.
These guys don't want to sell e-liquid for £4.99 for 10ml. They want to sell the same as 10ml in some system for £10, preferably £20.
E-Lites have been selling <1ml of liquid (a cartomizer) for £4 since 2010. £40 for 10ml.
There will be NHS e-cigs (those are not the same, mind you).
There will be fully tested liquids, and I can't see them selling for less than £10.
If you fear you might have to resort to smoking, then stock up. I'm not resorting to smoking and shan't vape tobacco co. products, so we'll see.
Yeah it certainly sounds like stock up time! I agree, there is no way I'm going down the tobacco products route.
Just infuriating that it all boils down to restricting the common man and companies and governments making money
Yeah it certainly sounds like stock up time! I agree, there is no way I'm going down the tobacco products route.
Just infuriating that it all boils down to restricting the common man and companies and governments making money
That's exactly what it is all about corrupt lobbyists are greasing the palm of corrupt politicians to destroy this industry.
I have just about made up my mind to get an igrip or NEBOX just for stealth vaping! And sell the Cloupor Mini Plus I won at ECF. Besides u hate that wobbly battery door anyway
NEBOX looks ace! 10ml tank is insane!
I don't even know where to start now with preparing for all of these stupid regulations!
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