Hi, I'm Gabriel, I'm new into vaping and I need some help.

[gabriel_a31]

Hello!

My name is Gabriel, and as I said in the title, basically i have been just introduced into vaping. I'm a newbie, and this will probably be a dumb question, but I can't find a solid answer for it anywhere on the internet.

I want to buy my first mod and my first RTA atomizer, and my concern is about batteries. I'm stuck between a single 21700 battery mod, or a dual 18650 battery mod. I want to buy an OXVA Arbiter 2 RTA Atomizer, and use it with dual coils. I can't say for sure which wattage range I will be vaping on, but I'll probably gonna use tricore Clapton coils, 3mm, 6 wraps, Ni80 and something about .35 or .40 ohms (as I'm new into all of this, I'm gonna do experiments between coils to see which one suits best for my taste, but I'll start testing with Fused Claptons and Alien Claptons coils, and I know that using them as dual coils the resistence will split in half).

My question is: can a single 21700 battery mod handle this setup and give me an all day usage, or is It more recommended to get a dual 18650 battery mod? I would prefer to get a single 21700 mod, cause then i'll need to buy only 2 batteries (Molicel p42a), while on a dual 18650 mod i'll need to buy 4 batteries (Sony VTC6). Things are overpriced where I live. But, of course that, in the end, i'll choose the safest and the best option.

Thank you guys in advance!

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

Short answer, no. A single 21700 will be drained using a dual coil RTA fitted with the relatively chunky coils you mentioned.

Long answer, maybe. It will really depend on you... Are you going to chain vape with long, deep draws at a hot 90 watts all day long, or are you going to take the occasional cool 60 watts puff?

A little will depend on the mod, too. Some are fat more accurate and efficient, delivering decent power until the cell is low. Others won't provide the same vape on a low cell as a full cell forcing battery swaps sooner than ideal.

I have LOTS of mods and RTAs and have been vaping for about 9 years. I tend to chain vape a couple of times an hour, then forget about the vape for a while. I almost exclusively use either dual coil RTAs (have two Arbiters, and one Arbiter 2 and MANY others) or mesh RTAs, and vape between 55 watts (mesh) and 75 watts (duals). I primarily use dual 2x700 or dual 18650 mods but have a selection of single 2x700 devices. I can, in a pinch with a good battery, get a full day with a mesh coil RTA at that 55 watts on a single 2x700 cell.

Edited to add: The resistances you mentioned are for a single coil. When installed as duals, they will measure 0.18 or 0.20 ohms. My build in my Arbiters are dual Ni80 fused claptons (36/2*26) 3mm ID, 5 wrap, and come in around 0.16 ohms. I run these at between 70 and 72 watts.

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[gabriel_a31]

Short answer, no. A single 21700 will be drained using a dual coil RTA fitted with the relatively chunky coils you mentioned.

First of all, thank you for your time and attention.

I've been told that the Arbiter 2 delivers more flavor with relatively chunky coils as I mentioned, specially Alien Clapton's, because of the designed air flow on the deck. Since you own an Arbiter 2, based on your usage and experience, would you say this is true? If not, I can use 2.5 or even 2 mm coils with 5 wraps to improve battery life.

Long answer, maybe. It will really depend on you... Are you going to chain vape with long, deep draws at a hot 90 watts all day long, or are you going to take the occasional cool 60 watts puff?

It'll be probably be both. Long deep draws at a relatively high wattage, but not all day long. It'll be on my way to work, at my lunch time and when I'll be going home. While I'm at my job, I won't be able to vape at all. And on my day off, I'll probably be vaping all day long, with long and deep puffs, but then it'll be only at my day off.

A little will depend on the mod, too. Some are fat more accurate and efficient, delivering decent power until the cell is low. Others won't provide the same vape on a low cell as a full cell forcing battery swaps sooner than ideal.

The mods I'm looking for are the Lost Vape Cyborg Quest and Geek Vape Aegis L200. Would you say there are better mods with better battery management and delivers good power at the same range of price, or are both of them good enough for me as a beginner?

I have LOTS of mods and RTAs and have been vaping for about 9 years. I tend to chain vape a couple of times an hour, then forget about the vape for a while. I almost exclusively use either dual coil RTAs (have two Arbiters, and one Arbiter 2 and MANY others) or mesh RTAs, and vape between 55 watts (mesh) and 75 watts (duals). I primarily use dual 2x700 or dual 18650 mods but have a selection of single 2x700 devices. I can, in a pinch with a good battery, get a full day with a mesh coil RTA at that 55 watts on a single 2x700 cell.

What's the resistence of the mesh coils you generally use? And which Mesh RTA Atomizer do you primarelly use? In your opinion, do they deliver better flavor than dual coils?

Edited to add: The resistances you mentioned are for a single coil. When installed as duals, they will measure 0.18 or 0.20 ohms. My build in my Arbiters are dual Ni80 fused claptons (36/2*26) 3mm ID, 5 wrap, and come in around 0.16 ohms. I run these at between 70 and 72 watts.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I mentioned it there but I've put in a way that is hard to see. My bad.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

First of all, thank you for your time and attention.

I've been told that the Arbiter 2 delivers more flavor with relatively chunky coils as I mentioned, specially Alien Clapton's, because of the designed air flow on the deck. Since you own an Arbiter 2, based on your usage and experience, would you say this is true? If not, I can use 2.5 or even 2 mm coils with 5 wraps to improve battery life.



It'll be probably be both. Long deep draws at a relatively high wattage, but not all day long. It'll be on my way to work, at my lunch time and when I'll be going home. While I'm at my job, I won't be able to vape at all. And on my day off, I'll probably be vaping all day long, with long and deep puffs, but then it'll be only at my day off.



The mods I'm looking for are the Lost Vape Cyborg Quest and Geek Vape Aegis L200. Would you say there are better mods with better battery management and delivers good power at the same range of price, or are both of them good enough for me as a beginner?



What's the resistence of the mesh coils you generally use? And which Mesh RTA Atomizer do you primarelly use? In your opinion, do they deliver better flavor than dual coils?



Yeah, I'm aware of that. I mentioned it there but I've put in a way that is hard to see. My bad.

The Arbiter 2 is good. It's a little more restricted IMO than the Arbiter 1. For this reason, I like the Arbiter 1 better with chunkier coils or higher wattage.

What I've got in my Aromamizer Plus V2 with the mesh deck right now is reading 0.12ohms. I'm running it at 60 watts, and it's delivering a flavorful, warm vape. My draws are typically around 4 seconds long. The vape is comparable to my dual coil vapes at 70 watts.

I really like almost all of my mesh RTAs... I have Zeus X, Kylin M, Siegfried, Profile Unity, Profile M, Solomon Mesh, Mesh 24, Aromamizer Plus V1 and 2, and a couple others whose names I cannot recall ATM. I recommend the Zeus X Mesh for those starting out with mesh, as it's the most forgiving. Others take a bit more twiddling to avoid dry hits or leaking.

Edit, again... of the mods you mentioned, go with the Aegis, but get the original... it's tougher... if you choose to run dual coils. You would be OK with the Quest and a mesh RTA.

I got into mesh RTAs specifically to squeeze that all-day battery life out of a 2x700 cell. Most if the time, it works.

I'm self-employed... this is how my day runs:

Up early and grab a small single cell mod fitted with a single coil or mesh atty for my run/workout. When I get home, I switch to a beefier unit... dual cell and dual coil or mesh... for the day. When done with the day, I play around with my various rigs, deciding what to run the next day.

Being self-employed means I get to vape as much as I want, but I often don't... I get wrapped up in work...

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[Rat2chat2]

You may be new to this forum but you are NO newbie! Welcome to ECF and glad you are here.

 

[Z-Lee]

I would go a step further and ask why a single 21700, when you could get a dual 21700 like the Vandy Vape Gaur-21? To be quite honest, you're not gaining a ton more battery life going dual 18650 over 21700. Just a quick conversion of math:

Dual Molicel P26As = 5200 total mAh
Single Molicel P42A = 4200 total mAh
Dual Molicel P42As = 8200 total mAh

I think you're better off going with a dual 21700 for dual chonky coils.

 

[Z-Lee]

I ran some testing on the Gaur-21 in preparation for 2 other dual 21700's I have on the way. It maxes out at around 39-40 Amps, 8.4 Volts, and hits any Wattage up to 200 that you'd ever need from a resistance under 3.0 Ohms. For example, you'd never need 172 Watts for a 0.4 Ohm coil or 85 Watts for a 0.8 Ohm coil, but it will certainly deliver it to you if you ask it to.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Welcome to ECF, Gabriel.

 

[gabriel_a31]

The Arbiter 2 is good. It's a little more restricted IMO than the Arbiter 1. For this reason, I like the Arbiter 1 better with chunkier coils or higher wattage.

I see, but when It comes to the Arbiter 2, would you recommend going with 2, 2.5 or 3mm coils?

I got into mesh RTAs specifically to squeeze that all-day battery life out of a 2x700 cell. Most if the time, it works

This makes me consider going with a mesh RTA instead of a dual coil RTA. I will do my researches about It and see If it's worth It, cause as I said, It would be better for me to spend less money on two 21700's instead of more money on four 18650's. Plus, the Aegis, both Legend and L200 models are out of stock on almost every site I look up here in my country.

You said you recommend the Zeus X Mesh RTA for beginners, but, does It deliver good flavor? Are there any others RTA Mesh atomizers that can be relatively easy to handle with problems such as spitback and the ones you mentioned, and that are better than the Zeus X Mesh? Or do you think that the Zeus will be enough for me in terms of flavor as a beginner?

 

[gabriel_a31]

I would go a step further and ask why a single 21700, when you could get a dual 21700 like the Vandy Vape Gaur-21? To be quite honest, you're not gaining a ton more battery life going dual 18650 over 21700. Just a quick conversion of math:

Dual Molicel P26As = 5200 total mAh
Single Molicel P42A = 4200 total mAh
Dual Molicel P42As = 8200 total mAh

I think you're better off going with a dual 21700 for dual chonky coils.

Yeah, this is definetelly a good upgrade. The only problem is the price though. If I'll use a dual battery mod, I would want to buy 4 of these batteries, cause when two of them run out, I'll just put another pair in there while the other 2 will be charging up (I think most of the people do that). The price difference between four 18650's and four 21700's it's kinda big to me (I live in Brazil).

That's why now I'm considering to get Mesh RTA as @Shawn Hoefer showed It uses less watts to power It up, and maybe I can use it on a single 21700 mod.
Or maybe I can wait a month, save some money and get the dual 21700 mod.

 

[gabriel_a31]

Welcome to ECF, Gabriel.

Thank you!

 

[gabriel_a31]

You may be new to this forum but you are NO newbie! View attachment 971778 Welcome to ECF and glad you are here.

Thank you!

 

[Rat2chat2]

Thank you!

You are most welcome. You should know right from the start. . . we are a crazy friendly group!

 

[Z-Lee]

That's why now I'm considering to get Mesh RTA as @Shawn Hoefer showed It uses less watts to power It up, and maybe I can use it on a single 21700 mod.

Yes, however, on the backside, you'll be going through a lot more juice. Mesh uses a lot of cotton, and therefore a lot of juice. It does have the potential to have better flavor in my opinion. I love the low Wattage and ramp up of mesh.

 

[BrotherBob]

i have been just introduced into vaping

Welcome and glad you joined.

 

[Territoo]

I would go a step further and ask why a single 21700, when you could get a dual 21700 like the Vandy Vape Gaur-21? To be quite honest, you're not gaining a ton more battery life going dual 18650 over 21700. Just a quick conversion of math:

Dual Molicel P26As = 5200 total mAh
Single Molicel P42A = 4200 total mAh
Dual Molicel P42As = 8200 total mAh

I think you're better off going with a dual 21700 for dual chonky coils.

Yeah, this is definetelly a good upgrade. The only problem is the price though. If I'll use a dual battery mod, I would want to buy 4 of these batteries, cause when two of them run out, I'll just put another pair in there while the other 2 will be charging up (I think most of the people do that). The price difference between four 18650's and four 21700's it's kinda big to me (I live in Brazil).

That's why now I'm considering to get Mesh RTA as @Shawn Hoefer showed It uses less watts to power It up, and maybe I can use it on a single 21700 mod.
Or maybe I can wait a month, save some money and get the dual 21700 mod.

You could go with this model and use dual 18650, as they come with adapters for that. If the 18650s aren't cutting it for you then you could later upgrade to dual 21700.

 

[deckar01]

Perfect option can be a pod for a new to vaping these things have been improved very much

 

[rob33]

Welcome to the Forum. No a single 21700 will not last all day unless you are a light vaper using your setup. I use a single coil setup at 50-70Ω 17w consider myself a medium vaper and a battery last all day.

 

[Z-Lee]

I use a single coil setup at 50-70Ω 17w consider myself a medium vaper and a battery last all day.

I wonder how many actual Watts would be required to vape a 50-70 Ohm coil.

 

[rob33]

I wonder how many actual Watts would be required to vape a 50-70 Ohm coil.

0.50 to 0.70Ω, I do 17w, Single coil SS 28ga(2) clapton wire/ 2.5mm size/ 6 or 7 wrap. It's not a cloud chaser, but great flavor.

Also same results on non regulated devices