Hi, I'm new and I just spent a whole bunch of money I don't have to squander!
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Good luck, and here is my advice.
Get a selection of juice (small bottles to start, 5-10ml, multiple flavors), get some at 0 nic and some at the highest (normally 24-36) your chosen vendor offers, FOR EACH FLAVOR. Also get a couple empty bottles. This shouldn't cost much, at least not compared to buying packs of smokes.
Reason for this is that everyone is different on what nic level is right for them, by getting 0 and 36 for each flavor it is very easy to mix them (same flavor, so not messing that up) to any nicotine level. Try the high, doesn't work (dizzy, just don't feel good, etc) try cutting it in half (half 0 half 36, giving you 13mg) if that's too weak then try again with 25/75%, or if too high try adding some more 0... once you find what level satisfies your cravings and isn't too strong then you know what to order in the future.
Multiple flavors because... well, we all like different things, only way to find out is to try them all! If you only get a couple, and don't like any of them, your chances of failure are higher.
Getting the smaller bottles will save you money as not liking one and tossing it won't be a huge loss (compared to getting big bottles right away). Once you have the strength and flavors you like, bigger bottles are a better value.
Get a selection of juice (small bottles to start, 5-10ml, multiple flavors), get some at 0 nic and some at the highest (normally 24-36) your chosen vendor offers, FOR EACH FLAVOR. Also get a couple empty bottles. This shouldn't cost much, at least not compared to buying packs of smokes.
Reason for this is that everyone is different on what nic level is right for them, by getting 0 and 36 for each flavor it is very easy to mix them (same flavor, so not messing that up) to any nicotine level. Try the high, doesn't work (dizzy, just don't feel good, etc) try cutting it in half (half 0 half 36, giving you 13mg) if that's too weak then try again with 25/75%, or if too high try adding some more 0... once you find what level satisfies your cravings and isn't too strong then you know what to order in the future.
Multiple flavors because... well, we all like different things, only way to find out is to try them all! If you only get a couple, and don't like any of them, your chances of failure are higher.
Getting the smaller bottles will save you money as not liking one and tossing it won't be a huge loss (compared to getting big bottles right away). Once you have the strength and flavors you like, bigger bottles are a better value.
You may find VG juices are too thick for cartos - they can get hung up in the stuffing and not soak or wick well. If so, you can thin them with a bit of distilled water or edible pure grain alcohol (or with a similar flavored same nicotine PG juice)
And fyi - PG is used for inhalation therapy in hospitals and according to one thoracic surgeon it is even used with lung transplant patients. It is not real common for someone to be allergic to it. Usually they are just irritated by the nicotine because PG lets flavor and nicotine's TH and irritation through the most. Nicotine is a skin irritant.
And fyi - PG is used for inhalation therapy in hospitals and according to one thoracic surgeon it is even used with lung transplant patients. It is not real common for someone to be allergic to it. Usually they are just irritated by the nicotine because PG lets flavor and nicotine's TH and irritation through the most. Nicotine is a skin irritant.
AttyPops, I wouldn't say I'm afraid of nicotine. It has many well known benefits including reducing asthma attacks and increasing memory function and Vitamin B levels in the body. It's, also, a fatal poison in levels too high. My intent with vaping, as it seems to be with most people who go through this route, is to both eliminate the extra toxins found in analogs from my life as well as greatly reduce, if not eliminate, nicotine from my life. So, yeah, it does seem kinda counter-productive to increase my nicotine exposure levels and, thereby, my dependence upon it, if my end goal is to eliminate it. But I do understand that there's a learning curve here. My caution comes from having read so many posts by people who seem to have, by their own admissions of 24/7 chain-vaping, become way more nicotine dependent than they were when using analogs partially because they're able to use the devices in locations off-limits to analogs, delight found in juice flavors obviously not available to the analog user, and partially because they've chosen to maintain and, in some cases, even increase the amount of nicotine they're intaking. That's a choice and whatever, but it's not a road I'm hoping to go down. The other side of the coin, of course, is that the ability to self-regulate nicotine lvels provides the opportunity to wean down slowly enough for elimination to be a much less painful process and one which is more likely to have lasting results.
Valascar, I'm not doing flavors. Honestly, I'm a little nervous about my tastebuds restoring once I'm off or have reduced analogs because I really do not enjoy the sense of taste and even with ashtray mouth limit my diet to pretty tasteless foods because everything just tastes too strong to me. I have no sweet tooth and pretty much only enjoy the tastes of lemon and the occasional steak neither of which do I think would make a particularly good vape flavor, lol. I hate hookah flavors and flavored pipe tobacco. I don't even like chocolate. But I am interested in finding the best (cleanest) flavorless juice on the market. I ordered from Vermont Vapor, but I've heard good things about Box Elder so may try them next. I'm not sure whether or not the syringes I ordered have ml markings on them, but I'm doubting it since they aren't plunger style. Do you have ones with measurement markings? There's an art supply store near me which I know sells tiny plastic jars which should theoretically work for mixed batches though I doubt they are air tight and I'm not clear on whether or not the juice evaporates quickly. Does it? Do people refrigerate their juice?
Religion, I was actually really tempted by the mini Reo. The lack of needing electronics or batteries is still very compelling and I may edge that way in the future, but something that more closely mimicked a traditional analog seemed like a safer bet than something I might wind up just viewing as a toy.
Valascar, I'm not doing flavors. Honestly, I'm a little nervous about my tastebuds restoring once I'm off or have reduced analogs because I really do not enjoy the sense of taste and even with ashtray mouth limit my diet to pretty tasteless foods because everything just tastes too strong to me. I have no sweet tooth and pretty much only enjoy the tastes of lemon and the occasional steak neither of which do I think would make a particularly good vape flavor, lol. I hate hookah flavors and flavored pipe tobacco. I don't even like chocolate. But I am interested in finding the best (cleanest) flavorless juice on the market. I ordered from Vermont Vapor, but I've heard good things about Box Elder so may try them next. I'm not sure whether or not the syringes I ordered have ml markings on them, but I'm doubting it since they aren't plunger style. Do you have ones with measurement markings? There's an art supply store near me which I know sells tiny plastic jars which should theoretically work for mixed batches though I doubt they are air tight and I'm not clear on whether or not the juice evaporates quickly. Does it? Do people refrigerate their juice?
Religion, I was actually really tempted by the mini Reo. The lack of needing electronics or batteries is still very compelling and I may edge that way in the future, but something that more closely mimicked a traditional analog seemed like a safer bet than something I might wind up just viewing as a toy.
Just a jug of distilled water would work? Is there any reason to prefer alcohol over water? Do you get drunk from the alcohol? I remember reading a few years ago about a gin vapor filled "bar" in London which came on the heels of the oxygen bar craze.
I don't really want to get into my medical situation, there are other forums I visit for that, but let's just say I can't afford to take too many chances right now. And as someone who has made and dearly paid for the mistake, please, avoid taking a fluoroquinolone antibiotic unless you're in a life or death situation. And don't let your loved ones take them, either.
I believe that many people find themselves chain-vaping because their nicotine level is too low.
If your goal is to stop smoking tobacco cigarettes, you really should be open to adjusting nicotine levels as needed - and perhaps be more open to vaping flavored liquids. If vaping isn't as enjoyable as smoking, how likely is it that you'll see it as a viable replacement?
Yeah, I agree that sometimes their levels are too low, and they "fail" at switching. So .... yeah.... I don't want your nic level to be too high for you, that's not it. There's a learning curve to e-cigs. And a "futz factor". And it takes time to switch over to them. If your nic is too low at the same time, it causes many to just "give up". You post#14 starts talking about low nic lelvels (like 6 mg for cigs...IDK where that comes from) but vaping is not the same. IDK if there is even a 1:1 comparison. And it changes over time. As your system cleans the tars out, the nic doesn't stay with you the same way. PG/VG may affect this too.
So I'd agree that you want a variety of nic levels. Get used to the e-cig 1st. Then start your cut-down process, IMHO. I'd have some 24 mg stuff around for a starter, even if you don't use it (small sample?).
So I'd agree that you want a variety of nic levels. Get used to the e-cig 1st. Then start your cut-down process, IMHO. I'd have some 24 mg stuff around for a starter, even if you don't use it (small sample?).
Nope. Just rumor. Not an expert! It seems to be generally agreed by vapers that the nicotine doesn't seem to last quite as long. You could start a poll and find out
The general consensus from the board, some limited studies, and my own personal experience, indicates that nicotine is not the only addictive substance in cigarettes. There are 4000 ingredients in cigarette smoke, and while we get our nicotine needs met when switching to vaping, there is definitely something else missing. I'm actually fairly certain that most vapers, after they have stopped analogs for a certain period of time, could reduce or eliminate their nicotine intake relatively easily. Unfortunately, most studies of the addictive properties of nicotine are of nicotine contained in cigarette smoke.
I loved smoking (started at 15, quit at 25... yes I am young) and to be honest my smaller backups do not do it for me nearly as well as my provari. I dont mind the trade in size for a feel closer to smoking (its more like hookah IMO, but whatever), that combined with the battery life of 18650s I wont go back to more "normal" e-cigs for everyday use, that said maybe looks/size will matter to you. My advice, for what it is worth, would be to keep an open mind to all options As for juice FreedomSmokeUSA are US made (according to them the ingredients are as well) Good luck with quitting and health, hopefully you can find what works for you
I wonder which of the other 4k are addictive. Is there an actual and factual list somewhere of these 4k chemicals?
Not totally averse to eventually moving on to something non-analog shaped, as I said upthread I found the reviews and design of the mini-Reo pretty compelling, but I think I'm much more likely to really quit if I can substitute my analogs for something which mimics them as closely as possibly during this initial transition. And, again, I'm really not into gadgets or toys so the idea of accumulating all kinds of paraphernalia to support my drug habit isn't compelling to me in the least. Even the idea of having to stay near an electrical outlet to get my fix is pretty off-putting, but we'll see how this plays out.
Will look into FreedomSmokeUSA. I went with Vermont Vapor, despite their pricing, because their stuff is all (almost) VG and their nic is made by a US chemist and they mix their own batches -- so further possible concerns about inhaling lead or plutonium were alleviated.
My juice from Vermont Vapor arrived today. Yay, for fast shipping. Boo, for my Bloog not having been mailed until after 11pm on the 7th (according to the USPS site) when I ordered in the early AM on the 6th. A little frustrating having the juice, but nothing to try it out on. Hopefully, the robot cigarette will arrive tomorrow otherwise I'm going to have to distract myself badly until Monday. To be fair to Bloog, I did change the mg of the prefilled carts I ordered after placing my order. But I did so about 2 minutes before changing the mg of the juice I ordered from VV...so....In any case, very strongly considering making my next cart purchase (assuming there is another cart purchase) from Smokeless Image as I understand their product to be the same and shipping vastly cheaper. But, I suppose, that's for the 808 sub-forum.
I, actually, went to the drugstore tonight hoping Nicorette Inhalers had been made OTC here in the States because I'm so freaking sick of the butts.
Patience, patience, patience.......
Not totally averse to eventually moving on to something non-analog shaped, as I said upthread I found the reviews and design of the mini-Reo pretty compelling, but I think I'm much more likely to really quit if I can substitute my analogs for something which mimics them as closely as possibly during this initial transition. And, again, I'm really not into gadgets or toys so the idea of accumulating all kinds of paraphernalia to support my drug habit isn't compelling to me in the least. Even the idea of having to stay near an electrical outlet to get my fix is pretty off-putting, but we'll see how this plays out.
Will look into FreedomSmokeUSA. I went with Vermont Vapor, despite their pricing, because their stuff is all (almost) VG and their nic is made by a US chemist and they mix their own batches -- so further possible concerns about inhaling lead or plutonium were alleviated.
My juice from Vermont Vapor arrived today. Yay, for fast shipping. Boo, for my Bloog not having been mailed until after 11pm on the 7th (according to the USPS site) when I ordered in the early AM on the 6th. A little frustrating having the juice, but nothing to try it out on. Hopefully, the robot cigarette will arrive tomorrow otherwise I'm going to have to distract myself badly until Monday. To be fair to Bloog, I did change the mg of the prefilled carts I ordered after placing my order. But I did so about 2 minutes before changing the mg of the juice I ordered from VV...so....In any case, very strongly considering making my next cart purchase (assuming there is another cart purchase) from Smokeless Image as I understand their product to be the same and shipping vastly cheaper. But, I suppose, that's for the 808 sub-forum.
I, actually, went to the drugstore tonight hoping Nicorette Inhalers had been made OTC here in the States because I'm so freaking sick of the butts.
Patience, patience, patience.......
If you google around you will be able to find studies supporting any, all, and any combinations of the 4,000 chemicals being the cause of the addiction. Even after smoking has been around as long and as studied as it has been, there is no real understanding of the addiction. Otherwise one type of "quitting system" would be successful for everyone.
Regarding vaping your head off starting out, I think for me it was because just getting it to vape well enough to satisfy my nicotine cravings was hit and miss. My first pack of cigarettes, I didn't smoke quite the same as my last pack almost 40 years later. Vaping requires a little different method of dragging to get a good vapor production. Slow even, long drags, somewhat different from a regular smoke.
Good luck in your switching to vape and welcome to ECF.
Regarding vaping your head off starting out, I think for me it was because just getting it to vape well enough to satisfy my nicotine cravings was hit and miss. My first pack of cigarettes, I didn't smoke quite the same as my last pack almost 40 years later. Vaping requires a little different method of dragging to get a good vapor production. Slow even, long drags, somewhat different from a regular smoke.
Good luck in your switching to vape and welcome to ECF.
Ha ha, no kidding, right? It probably took me about two month to get through my first pack of smokes when I was 14, even bumming them out to friends. We'd probably have two smokes once a week with beers lifted from one of my friend's uncle's fridges...head rush city!
In the past couple of years, I can't even sit through dinner without needing a cigarette. On flights, I come loaded with gum and lozenges. The idea of getting drunk at home with only half a pack is unthinkable. Even sitting through a movie is uncomfortable. This addiction has, at this point, advanced to the degree that it's completely disrupted my life.
Interesting info on the alakaloids; I was, actually, researching snuff earlier in the evening.
Thanks...
Did you check the link to DVap's blog? Nicorette sucks. See my post below...
Bloog and Volt are the same; the latter being less expensive.
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Thanks for the info guys. Its good to know there are other things i can take (possibly, if i can import them) to help me quit if vaping itself isnt enough
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