High Voltage Mods

[NickJuice]

I also disagree with NickJuice, but I also disagree with Abhowe. mods that use the same battery are not the same. The material they are made of makes a big difference, because of the resistance. A mod made of brass and copper will always outperform an aluminum or stainless mod every time, due to less resistance, therefore more voltage getting to the atty. Hence the reason for using copper in wires.
The copper wire and solder do not decrease voltage in short runs. The 1-12 inches of wire in any mod will have zero detectable impact on resistance. 50 feet of wiring, that may be a different story, but not in a short length of wire.

Maybe its me...but you seem to contridict yourself in this post...you need 50ft of wire to have any notable increase in Resistance(Depending on awg) but in a mod less then a foot long, the different in the material the body is made of makes such a profound difference as to be felt by the end user?

Really with materials like Stainless, Aluminum and copper the difference in resistance, ESPECIALLY while dealing with such small areas as we are, make NO difference at all...MilliOhms IF that much, there is NO WAY the end user would be able to tell ANY difference anyone who tells you otherwise is hyping up a product and is either imagining it or trying to sell you something

I have a lil' chuck(16340,CR123), Laser pointer mod(10440), a cybervex Nicostick(14500), I've also build a 5v nicostick a USB Passthrough and a standard Nicostick (all 14500) Trust me Same battery, Same Vape

 

[raven9mm]

Maybe its me...but you seem to contridict yourself in this post...you need 50ft of wire to have any notable increase in Resistance(Depending on awg) but in a mod less then a foot long, the different in the material the body is made of makes such a profound difference as to be felt by the end user?

I was talking the difference in copper to copper, not the difference in copper to another material.

 

[redrhino]

i have a copper rounded and here's a quick summary. if you want to know more you should start your own thread on it.

pluses
reliable
small
uses carts well as well as dripping
very reliable atomisers

cons
unprotected batteries
no lock
(although i would still unscrew the atomiser anyway so it doesn't get bent or mess up the threads so not really a con in my eyes.)

Nice........ Thanks

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

this my little chuck ! 3.7volts 24mg and plain ole 555!

 

[NickJuice]

this my little chuck ! 3.7volts 24mg and plain ole 555!

I own a lil' Chuck also...its an awesome Mod...but put a fully charged cr123a, with the same juice and the same inhale with ANY other mod and you will get the same vapor that you get from the chuck...100%

 

[Jason365]

I can tell the differnce.. Between mods
I had to send my chuck out for repair and was using a homemade 6v nicostick. 24g solid wires with less than 3 inches of it ran inside the box with 2 3v rcr123's. It seemed great at the time while I had nothing but stock batteries for my 510. Then I got the chuck back 6 days round trip. Put the same batteries from my nicstick into the chuck and pow! Its like a volcano of vapor. Maybe the chuck is made from uranium or something j/k. It sure let the electrons flow like a biatch.

 

[NickJuice]

I can tell the differnce.. Between mods
I had to send my chuck out for repair and was using a homemade 6v nicostick. 24g solid wires with less than 3 inches of it ran inside the box with 2 3v rcr123's. It seemed great at the time while I had nothing but stock batteries for my 510. Then I got the chuck back 6 days round trip. Put the same batteries from my nicstick into the chuck and pow! Its like a volcano of vapor. Maybe the chuck is made from uranium or something j/k. It sure let the electrons flow like a biatch.

Its all mental i would assume Jason...because all the math and Science PROVE otherwise...I would think you Pull differently or just imagine more vapor because you WANT there to be greater vapor consistancy from the Chuck....Really all the Math proves they will perform identically

 

[raven9mm]

I own a lil' Chuck also...its an awesome Mod...but put a fully charged cr123a, with the same juice and the same inhale with ANY other mod and you will get the same vapor that you get from the chuck...100%

How is that?? You are getting less voltage to the atty with any other mod that uses stainless or aluminum. So if the atty is getting more voltage to it, it WILL produce more vapor.
Same thing if you take any mod, use a battery currently at 3.95v and another battery currently at 4.05v. The 4.05v battery will give more vapor.

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

All mod's based on the same battery will have Almost exactly the same performance...if you've try'd one 18650 battery mod...you've tried them all....same with cr123a's, 14500's 10440's etc. Anyone saying they see a difference from one 3.7v or 6v device to another 3.7v or 6v device is either lying to you or is improperly using their mod

What it breaks down to is which mod is most pleasing to YOUR eye...and thats different person to person...

Your deluisional! The conductivity of the chuck Is surpassed by no mod! pure brass and copper thats it!Unless you can find and buy me a gold one ?I'll stick with my chuck>>>>>>>This is 3.7v and plain ole 555

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

I own a lil' Chuck also...its an awesome Mod...but put a fully charged cr123a, with the same juice and the same inhale with ANY other mod and you will get the same vapor that you get from the chuck...100%

ok how many mods have you tried there??? do your home work rookie

 

[NickJuice]

How is that?? You are getting less voltage to the atty with any other mod that uses stainless or aluminum. So if the atty is getting more voltage to it, it WILL produce more vapor.
Same thing if you take any mod, use a battery currently at 3.95v and another battery currently at 4.05v. The 4.05v battery will give more vapor.

The difference is significatly less then that Especially when your talking Copper,Brass, Stainless Steel and Aluminum..if your running two batteries charged to 4.05v the different between the Best conductor and that list and the worst will be LESS the .0001, less in most cases...AND if we are speaking specificly about the chuck...any benifits from the body being Copper or Brass is negated by the Spring


And Trust me when it comes to Electrical Engineering...i'm a VERY old hand

 

[crashtestjeep]

I have to disagree with the statement that if youve tried one you have tried them all. I have a CHUCK. Little Chuck, nother Little Chuck, SIlver BUllet, Screwdriver, Nicostick, TV remote mod, etc.

I can attest that The Chucks vape way more consistantly than any others. Its my FIRST choice PV bc The vapor is creamier, fuller, richer and more enjoyable at 3.7v. My second choice is the Silver Bullet at 6v. IMO, the SB is at its best at 6v and the buttom is AWESOME! SD third and so on....

However, if you arer only able to have ONE MOD, for whatever reason, hands down, get a Chuck or Little Chuck!



PS, I dont have a copper yet but if I get one Ill review it as well....

 

[raven9mm]

any benifits from the body being Copper or Brass is negated by the Spring

 

[steven.rn]

Table for the curious:

Electrical Conductivity of Metals, including some alloys


* At 20º Celsius, based on copper as 100.
** Per degree C at 20º C.
Note: The conductivity of various metals is subject to variation according to processing and alloy composition.

Aluminum 59
Brass 28
Cadmium 19
Chromium 55
Cobalt 16.3
Constantin 3.24
Copper: Hard drawn 89.5 Annealed 100
Gold 65
Iron: Pure 17.7 Cast 2-12 Wrought 11.4
Lead 7
Manganin 3.7
Mercury 1.66
Molybdenum 33.2
Nichrome 1.45
Nickel 12-16
Nickel silver 5.3(18%)
Phosphor bronze 36
Platinum 15
Silver 106
Steel 3-15
Tin 13
Titanium 5
Tungsten 28.9
Zinc 28.2

In any case, there are always several factors: the battery, its' discharge rate, the electron path, the connectors, the atty, everything between the raw electron and its conversion to raw heat at the coil makes a difference. Everything. When you engineer something, its the whole package that makes a difference in that delivery.

The way things theoretically work and the way things work when you screw 'em all together can vary greatly depending on your implementation. All theoretical elements being perfectly envisioned and implemented, a battery is a battery is a battery. However, experience shows that this ain't a perfect world and getting theory to match reality is a tough row to hoe.

The proof is always in the pudding, not the theory ;-). I'll go with what works- so far for me- the Chuck just fricking works. All my other ecigs are in the parts box now.

 

[cpcp68]

I thought I would chime in with my 2 cents. note that I am not advocating for one mod or another.
I design electronics and I never use an aluminum case that is either just Al or anodized: the ohmic contact Al offers is poor for EMI shielding. this is because there is a very thin layer of oxide Al likes to form. this oxide forms very quickly, is hard and rebuilds even when you try and scratch it.
I do not know the details of all mods, but relying on the ohmic contact offered by two pieces of Al screwed together may lead to unexpected, relatively higher contact resistance.
the only way to get excellent ohmic contact out of an Al box is to gold-plate it or iridize it.

again, this is just based on my experience and some facts; I am not in favor of any particular mod, but facts are facts.

 

[NickJuice]

Table for the curious:

Electrical Conductivity of Metals, including some alloys


* At 20º Celsius, based on copper as 100.
** Per degree C at 20º C.
Note: The conductivity of various metals is subject to variation according to processing and alloy composition.

Aluminum 59
Brass 28
Cadmium 19
Chromium 55
Cobalt 16.3
Constantin 3.24
Copper: Hard drawn 89.5 Annealed 100
Gold 65
Iron: Pure 17.7 Cast 2-12 Wrought 11.4
Lead 7
Manganin 3.7
Mercury 1.66
Molybdenum 33.2
Nichrome 1.45
Nickel 12-16
Nickel silver 5.3(18%)
Phosphor bronze 36
Platinum 15
Silver 106
Steel 3-15
Tin 13
Titanium 5
Tungsten 28.9
Zinc 28.2

In any case, there are always several factors: the battery, its' discharge rate, the electron path, the connectors, the atty, everything between the raw electron and its conversion to raw heat at the coil makes a difference. Everything. When you engineer something, its the whole package that makes a difference in that delivery.

The way things theoretically work and the way things work when you screw 'em all together can vary greatly depending on your implementation. All theoretical elements being perfectly envisioned and implemented, a battery is a battery is a battery. However, experience shows that this ain't a perfect world and getting theory to match reality is a tough row to hoe.

The proof is always in the pudding, not the theory ;-). I'll go with what works- so far for me- the Chuck just fricking works. All my other ecigs are in the parts box now.

Great points...and i love my lil' chuck no question about it....i hate that this threads looks like i'm attacking the chuck...I LOVE MY lil' Chuck!! And you are right...i was talking in theory...in theory a battery is a battery, of course 100's of things make a difference...i shouldn't have been speaking in theory...In real world conditions theory doesn't work...Any variables change things, Material of the Spring, Solder used, switch quality, Does Powercoating effect Conductivity? Decals? Etc.

the Chuck does "Just Work" and it Just works Great!

 

[raven9mm]

Apologies to JeanieB360 for the derailment. Now that we are all in agreement, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

 

[steven.rn]

Appologies to JeanieB360 for the derailment. Now that we are all in agreement, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

Look, Raven, quit interrupting our precious rants with the facts.

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

LMFAO

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

Great points...and i love my lil' chuck no question about it....i hate that this threads looks like i'm attacking the chuck...I LOVE MY lil' Chuck!! And you are right...i was talking in theory...in theory a battery is a battery, of course 100's of things make a difference...i shouldn't have been speaking in theory...In real world conditions theory doesn't work...Any variables change things, Material of the Spring, Solder used, switch quality, Does Powercoating effect Conductivity? Decals? Etc.

the Chuck does "Just Work" and it Just works Great!

Your not a CHUCKAHOLIC its ok !Just admit it