Just read a blurb on grimm's page. The gist was that ecigs contain 10x as many carcinogens as analogs. I'm guessing that was Chinese juices pushed way too hard at ultra wattages. Curious on the thoughts of others.
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Pretty much, yes.
When chemists and biologists who don't seem to know the first thing about electronics do product testing on electronic devices and call it scientific research, then all bets are off.
Add a bunch of sensationalist journalists who cannot interpret a scientific paper for the life of them, generalize the results, don't give a damn about source criticism, and are happy to copy-paste each other's conjecture to spread it all around the world in under 24 hours, and you get the disinformation circus that we see today.
I don't know how it went down in the US, but in Norway some news outlets later apologized for printing the story, because it was misleading. Most didn't.
When chemists and biologists who don't seem to know the first thing about electronics do product testing on electronic devices and call it scientific research, then all bets are off.
Add a bunch of sensationalist journalists who cannot interpret a scientific paper for the life of them, generalize the results, don't give a damn about source criticism, and are happy to copy-paste each other's conjecture to spread it all around the world in under 24 hours, and you get the disinformation circus that we see today.
I don't know how it went down in the US, but in Norway some news outlets later apologized for printing the story, because it was misleading. Most didn't.
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I still think the biggest study is going to be dr. Farsalinos study here.
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/
I never read the paper myself, but Dr. F made it sound like they were pushing the juice way beyond what anyone would try to vape. Hundreds of watts, burning wicks dry, nothing a vaper would ever put themselves through. US journalists ate that garbage up too, a quick Google brings up lots of stories about it and nobody writing corrections
The "study" was done in Japan, it's a pretty safe bet they were using Chinese liquid that would be readily available.
The "study" was done in Japan, it's a pretty safe bet they were using Chinese liquid that would be readily available.
The geographic location of the study has nothing to do with what e-liquids were used. You can assume all you like, the study does not state the country of origin of the e-liquids tested - in fact it just states "13 brands of Japanese E-cigarettes"
The OP's implication that the reason for the study findings being because the e-liquids were Chinese I find to be puzzling. Hangsen and Dekang (both made in China) were two of the original e-liquid manufacturers and both are widely used and both well respected in vaping circles. There is nothing to suggest that part of the reason for the results was the use of Chinese e-liquid.
As for those who prefer to deal in facts rather than conjecture, you can read the summary of the study mentioned by the OP Carbonyl Compounds Generated from Electronic Cigarettes
You can read a rather comprehensive rebuttal directly addressing the issues raised in that study from Dr. Farsalinos E-cigarette aerosol contains 6 times LESS formaldehyde than tobacco cigarette smoke
Hot vapes always made me wonder about what new chemicals were being introduced. It's one of the reasons I vape mostly at 3.7v on a 2 ohm coil. If it gets too warm I know my wick needs a little more juice.
That said, I've vaped at 23 watts on a DNA30 clone with really cool vapor. The atomizer was a Nautilus Mini with drilled out air holes. I wouldn't be afraid to vape that one all day. It was just a cool vape with great flavor and thick clouds.
IMO, the central point to it all is that we need to keep the heat out of the vape for safety. I never liked the taste of a hotboxed cigarette and I don't care for more than just a hint of warmth in my vape.
That said, I've vaped at 23 watts on a DNA30 clone with really cool vapor. The atomizer was a Nautilus Mini with drilled out air holes. I wouldn't be afraid to vape that one all day. It was just a cool vape with great flavor and thick clouds.
IMO, the central point to it all is that we need to keep the heat out of the vape for safety. I never liked the taste of a hotboxed cigarette and I don't care for more than just a hint of warmth in my vape.
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Grimm as in GrimmGreen? If so, I'm sincerely hoping you missed the gist of what he posted, because there's no way he should be doing anything but ridiculing news reports on that study (See: InTheShade's response, especially the link to Farsalinos).
Thanks for all the info everyone. Honestly as a buyer of American made juices I assumed Chinese made juices were the culprit simply out of hope. Hope that none of the juices I've been purchasing would contain/produce these juices. In retrospect I realize it was a stupid presupposition. Especially given that so much vale gear is made in China. Including the Atlantis which is a tank I use often. Thanks for opening my eyes.
I really like Dekang juices. Hangsen is good, but the supplier I was getting mine from tended to ship Hangsen with a green grass bitter undertaste that I never get with Dekang. Some stateside vendors get the concentrate from the Chinese vendor and mix their own for sale in America. That may be where my bitter undertaste came from ... that or it was too fresh and I didn't let it age or steep.
Those two Chinese juice manufacturers have world class juice labs, unlike some Mom and Pop stateside vendors (not cutting Mom and Pop vendors, just saying that a multi-million dollar lab is way out of range for small business).
Here's a thread on Dekang labs.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ngs-e-liquid-production-facilities-video.html
This is a Vapor-4-Life Chinese lab. It's actually Dekang according to the thread above.
Those two Chinese juice manufacturers have world class juice labs, unlike some Mom and Pop stateside vendors (not cutting Mom and Pop vendors, just saying that a multi-million dollar lab is way out of range for small business).
Here's a thread on Dekang labs.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ngs-e-liquid-production-facilities-video.html
This is a Vapor-4-Life Chinese lab. It's actually Dekang according to the thread above.
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